Originally posted by ultimatethor
Fail. I still wonder how u can be comparing strength feats to energy manip feats. U must be joking
Originally posted by Allankles
The Midgard Serpent is not the same Mass as the Earth (even if we suspend our belief and ignore that it's weight didn't even have an effect on the Earth's crust). It's also nowhere nowhere near the size of the Earth.
Nowhere near the size of Earth? You just admitted that it can coil around the diameter of the Earth several times. There goes that point.
Originally posted by Allankles
It's body is long enough that it can coil around the earth through a couple of revolutions. If it's composed of flesh packed in as mostly muscle like most snakes, that would also mean it's density is far less than Earth's and when you consider that it's volume is so much less than Earth's that means it's mass would only be a fraction of Earth.
If it's composed of flesh. 'If' being the keyword. It's a being of magic. And it's large enough to envelop the Earth several times. It weighs as much as the Earth. Unless you want to prove otherwise. With something other than real world physics, which as I showed - is ridiculous when applied to the comic book world.
Originally posted by Allankles
The rest of your points were quite dense. You can't compare the magic of the Midgard Serpent with that of the Monitor's book, the Monitors book is just infinite pages occupying one space maybe it works like a black hole but judging from it's origins it's obviously more than just a book.
And the Serpent is more than 'just' a snake. If your feat stands, so does Thor's. You all are just pissed because I've been able to quanitify this shit, while you still have nothing. Furthermore, we have this:
Originally posted by fangirl101
And it was impressive the nature of the book. It contained not only infinite pages, but infinite capacity. It filled thier heads with the story of the monitor's from the beginning of time.
Originally posted by Allankles
Which double standards? The "magic" of the book of the monitors is nothing like the magic of the Midgard Serpent which is just a giant Serpent coiling around the Earth.
Those are double standards. The Midgard Serpent is a magical creature, not subject to standard physical laws. Same as your 'infinite' book. Yet you claim it's simply a giant serpent. You're wrong. And you're being biased.
Originally posted by Allankles
He lifted 200 quintillion tons with one hand with apparent ease, there's nothing that suggests his limit is 400 quintillion tons. That is a definitive number as opposed to a giant snake.
'Apparent ease' my ass. He's grimacing in the frame. His knees are bent trying to brace it. That's his limit. Suggesting that with two hands, he'd be able to lift 400 quintillion tons. But again, you ignore that that's after a sundip, which as it states on panel, tripled his strength. I don't know why no one else called you on the BS.
The Midgard Serpent weighs as much as the Earth does. Roughly 6.6 sextillion tons. Thor had on his Belt of Strength for the feat, which doubles his strength. Take it away and you get 3.3 sextillion tons. Quantifiable, see?
Originally posted by Allankles
Ignoring the effect of flight on Superman's other planetoid moving feats, the book of the monitors apparently represents infinite mass in one space, still more impressive and more definitive than anything you've presented. The Spectre again, a mystical entity with apparent infinite mass, he lifted. What you got?
No, infinite paper pages do not equal infinite mass. It's a non sequitor. Meaning, your logic does not follow. Not to mention that he does not lift it alone. How much weight was he supporting? Half of it? Probably. But you can't prove that. He might've let Captain Marvel support 80% of it. Who knows?
Regarding the Spectre feat - again you're using bad logic. It said he has the weight of Eternity. It says this on panel. It does not say infinite or unlimited weight or mass anywhere. At all. And it took Wonder Woman and GL's assistance. Again, the feat is voided as a measure of solo strength.
I think some people aren't intelligent. coiling around the earth in no way makes something as big as the earth. if you wrap someone up in a str8 jacket, does that make the str8 jacket as heavy and big as the person?
Thor's feat is invalid anyway. He was on a magical ship that was doing most of the pulling.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I find it silly that Superman has an uber feat and people are now calling it unquantifiable. We'll he's got two such feats to his credit altho shared. And fighting two beings who have the same kinda of feats on thier own. And it's just so funny that all the superman haters can hate on his obviously superior Strength. Hulk, nor Thor, nor silver surfer are as strong as superman. get over it.
Really uve got nothing but an unquantifable feat. Infinite pages does not neccessarily equal infinite weight especially when the book was obviously not just on the physical plane. What other feat are u talking about? I hope its not that spectre feat. Silver surfer as strong as superman? NO, thor as strong as superman? NO Hulk as strong as superman? Yes.
Originally posted by Enyalus
'Apparent ease' my ass. He's grimacing in the frame. His knees are bent trying to brace it. That's his limit. Suggesting that with two hands, he'd be able to lift 400 quintillion tons. But again, you ignore that that's after a sundip, which as it states on panel, tripled his strength. I don't know why no one else called you on the BS.
Considering that feat is from a non-canon source, there's no reason to even bring it up.
Originally posted by Enyalus
The Midgard Serpent weighs as much as the Earth does. Roughly 6.6 sextillion tons. Thor had on his Belt of Strength for the feat, which doubles his strength. Take it away and you get 3.3 sextillion tons. Quantifiable, see?
Where was that stated?
Originally posted by fangirl101
No you are the joke. Trying to say the feat is unquantifiable when the effing comic says it has infinite pages. It's quantified for us. I'm putting you on block. you can so easily accept the surfer channeling crunch energies with No specified amount but can't accept a specified feat from superman? Don't reply. i wont' see it.
Oh lord!. Surfer channeling the crunch was not impressive due to amount but do to the nature of the energy itself that he was channeling. Comparing a strength feat to an energy feat in this instance= EPIC FAIL
. Infinite pages that are not existing on the physical plane of reality are not likely to have an infinite weight.(or at least there no conclusive proof they do). Really if u want to be very literal with the term infinite, then there isnt any way that superman cud LIFT the book at all because something that has infinite pages wud occupy all space in existence. Its obvious that there is a whole lot goin on with that book beyond the physical plane.
whoever said it weighed as much as the earth? jomungand is extremely heavy, not planet heavy but maybe twice of thrice luna weight.
he can expand and contract his weight and length at will, he can at least encircle the earth a fair bit into space and beyond. he is very deceptive since he is the son of loki and can magically cast illusions to hide his bulk.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
whoever said it weighed as much as the earth? jomungand is extremely heavy, not planet heavy but maybe twice of thrice luna weight.he can expand and contract his weight and length at will, he can at least encircle the earth a fair bit into space and beyond. he is very deceptive since he is the son of loki and can magically cast illusions to hide his bulk.
He concealed himself as a cat and yet was still enormously heavy. Nothing suggests he can change his weight.
Originally posted by Starscream M
flying doesn't diminish his strength featsif I'm lifting weights while running, I'm still lifting weights
Originally posted by darthgoober
Really because according to these scans it does...
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advsupes43617yl7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advsupes43618cr4.jpg
Originally posted by fangirl101
I find it silly that Superman has an uber feat and people are now calling it unquantifiable. We'll he's got two such feats to his credit altho shared. And fighting two beings who have the same kinda of feats on thier own. And it's just so funny that all the superman haters can hate on his obviously superior Strength. Hulk, nor Thor, nor silver surfer are as strong as superman. get over it.
It doesn't follow a logical measurement system so we can't put any kind of actual value on it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It's unquantifiable because Supes lifted half of infinity and needed help to do it. If he can lift half of infinity then he should be able to lift all of infinity, but he was unable to do it without the help of Captain Marval.It doesn't follow a logical measurement system so we can't put any kind of actual value on it.
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. He was moving the books slowly as not to damage it or lose any of it's info. Thus needing a steady two people. When Ultraman lifts it, he doesn't give a damn. Actually messing with the books pages.
😖mart:
Originally posted by kgkg
that smilie is disturbing😉
Originally posted by darthgoober
Translation..."Well that was a long time ago so it MIGHT not be true anymore. I don't have any evidence that remotely suggest it, but the possibility is all I have to cling to."
Just remember that my challenge stands if you ever muster the courage to accept. From now on when you're posting some nonsense about Supes's strength I'll post this smiley...
😖mart:
...to remind you and everyone else that the argument can be settled at any time with a Battlezone match. All we're waiting on is you to work up the nerve.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't see a statement saying that he could have lifted it alone if he wanted to. Proof beyond your own personal interpretation?😖mart:
Seeing as how he says Ultraman is his direct opposite and Ultraman does it, I can see no reason why Superman cannot lift it. Except ultraman did it carelessly.
Originally posted by darthgooberit's still strength because Superman lifts things with his arms....otherwise his arms would buckle under pressure if he were not strong enough
Really because according to these scans it does...
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advsupes43617yl7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advsupes43618cr4.jpg
so perhaps, when he flies, he gains a type of 'extra' strength he doesn't have when not flying, but that only means he has an extra gear to tap into that Surfer does not
since Superman fights usually while flying, we can safely assume he has this 'extra' strength in a fight against Surfer
