Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Hulk can beat up superman though, at least WWH can
Originally posted by Decimus
That's not happening superman apparently takes in more and more energy if he is being threatened in this way making this plan of attack ineffective. Check out some of the feats.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Surfer is to Superman what Superman is to Hulk:
Even tough Superman MIGHT (but pretty not sure of it) have the power to beat Surfer, he's just plainly outclassed in the versatility field. It's a fight he can't win, unless they go to brawl. Which would be a stupid choice from Surfer.
Originally posted by MrMind
noonly if he has the time to take in more energy
Originally posted by Decimus
That's not happening superman apparently takes in more and more energy if he is being threatened in this way making this plan of attack ineffective. Check out some of the feats.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Surfer has so many options for beating Superman. He can either siphon away all of Superman's energy. Transform the yellow solar energy into red solar energy. He could change the atmospheric gases into Kryptonite gas. Or simply change the components of his blood into Kryptonite. The only thing Superman brings to the table that would even remotely resemble a threat is his strength and even that isn't that big of a deal. Surfer has faced guys with tremendous strength in the past so that really wouldn't be anything new.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Surfer has so many options for beating Superman. He can either siphon away all of Superman's energy. Transform the yellow solar energy into red solar energy. He could change the atmospheric gases into Kryptonite gas. Or simply change the components of his blood into Kryptonite. The only thing Superman brings to the table that would even remotely resemble a threat is his strength and even that isn't that big of a deal. Surfer has faced guys with tremendous strength in the past so that really wouldn't be anything new.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Superman's heat vision and cold breath aren't going to affect a person that can fly through a star or survive indefinitely in the freezing vacuum of space. Hesitation doesn't equal inability. Just because I'd rather not swim in the ocean doesn't mean that I can't. As far as speed goes, Surfer travels at faster than light speeds all the time so that really shouldn't be a problem.
You need to read more Superman comics. Seriously.
While I think Surfer ultimately wins this, I don't think he's going to start doing a bunch of exotic powers and stuff and basically treat Kal like a nuisance. His Cosmic Awareness probably would clue him in on Kal's dependence to solar energy, but I highly doubt Surfer will process that and instantly drain him of his energy when Superman has plenty of instances of resisting such tactics.
And Kal's HV can burn hotter than stars. And his ice breath has worked on beings who can fly though space before, too...
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Surfer has so many options for beating Superman. He can either siphon away all of Superman's energy. Transform the yellow solar energy into red solar energy. He could change the atmospheric gases into Kryptonite gas. Or simply change the components of his blood into Kryptonite. The only thing Superman brings to the table that would even remotely resemble a threat is his strength and even that isn't that big of a deal. Surfer has faced guys with tremendous strength in the past so that really wouldn't be anything new.
eneither one is blitzing the other. t-vo`s definition is too vague and its actual feats (the ones I have read anyway) don`t give SM an auto-win against SS. besides, it hasnt been mentioned in years.
even without weakness explotiation, I believe SS beats SM through his superior energy output and versatility
SS has battled beings far more powerfull than SM actually. as far as a forum fight is concerned, with no pis, they are in the same weight class, IMO the SS is higher than clark though.
Originally posted by 753
eneither one is blitzing the other. t-vo`s definition is too vague and its actual feats (the ones I have read anyway) don`t give SM an auto-win against SS. besides, it hasnt been mentioned in years.even without weakness explotiation, I believe SS beats SM through his superior energy output and versatility
SS has battled beings far more powerfull than SM actually. as far as a forum fight is concerned, with no pis, they are in the same weight class, IMO the SS is higher than clark though.
Honestly, both have fought beings more powerful than the other.
IMO... Surfer is just overall more powerful. The only edge that I would give to Supes is brute strength (which Surfer could catch up to due to amping) and combat speed since I am not impressed at all by Surfers combat speed feats.
The rest goes to surfer imo and that's why I give him a high majority.
Originally posted by 753
eneither one is blitzing the other. t-vo`s definition is too vague and its actual feats (the ones I have read anyway) don`t give SM an auto-win against SS. besides, it hasnt been mentioned in years.even without weakness explotiation, I believe SS beats SM through his superior energy output and versatility
SS has battled beings far more powerfull than SM actually. as far as a forum fight is concerned, with no pis, they are in the same weight class, IMO the SS is higher than clark though.
Originally posted by Decimus
Wait one moment Norrin's doesn't have the time to do this to someone ftl. Plus it's debatable as to whether surfer can derive such weaknesses in the first place considering this doesn't take place in the marvel omniverse. When was the last time or ever surfer fought someone as powerful and as fast as Clark. Gladiator is a running joke and he is the only thing remotely simular to superman -just filled with wack juice.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Surfer was able to look at Gladiator and determine that he was weak against certain forms of radiation. Logic would dictate that the same would apply to Superman.
That's not what happened. He said he KNEW of Gladiator's weakness to a specific radiation. That isn't to say that he used any senses to do it.
^ At the same time, that isn't to say he didn't use any senses to do it either. Considering he's used his Cosmic Awareness to perform similar feats without problem it seems more likely that's what he did. And frankly, even if he didn't, I don't think anybody would seriously argue that he couldn't use his Cosmic Awareness to do so if he wanted.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ At the same time, that isn't to say he didn't use any senses to do it either. Considering he's used his Cosmic Awareness to perform similar feats without problem it seems more likely that's what he did. And frankly, even if he didn't, I don't think anybody would seriously argue that he couldn't use his Cosmic Awareness to do so if he wanted.
I would argue it, until he showed the ability. When has he used his cosmic senses to specifically detect a being's weakness to something as specific as a radiation or energy type?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ At the same time, that isn't to say he didn't use any senses to do it either. Considering he's used his Cosmic Awareness to perform similar feats without problem it seems more likely that's what he did. And frankly, even if he didn't, I don't think anybody would seriously argue that he couldn't use his Cosmic Awareness to do so if he wanted.
Sure they could. 😐
