Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by cdtm
I still say Thor vs Surfer as peers is editorial mandate.

Based on the fact that Surfer's offensive output is >>>>>>>> Savage Hulk, Namor, Hercules, or your average class 100, yet Thor gets hurt by class 100 hits all the time.

Of course, the same logic applies to Thor not using his vast firepower to wipe out Hulk/Herc/Namor as well. But I'm talking about his durability here. If Thor's durability was capable of tanking Surfers best attack, he'd be more than durable enough to stand there and let Namor wail on him all day, without budging.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bill busted the planet by flying into it. This is not a strength feat. If the hammer allows the user to accelerate faster and faster then eventually the user is going to reach a velocity that will destroy a planet. IMO, Thor should be able to do the same thing.

I believe Thor, with his fists, will affect Surfer but not by a whole lot. Look at the vicious headbutt Thor gave Surfer. Thor was hurt and Surfer seemed unaffected (though his head was dented in). I think Thor's hands will hurt (or be slightly injured) in the process though.

Superman moved a planet by flying away from it. Is that a strength ft?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah thing is I never said Superman would stalemate Surfer because Thor does. I was addressing this ridiculous notion that Superman does not have the physical might to harm Surfer.

Well of course he does. If Thor can physically hurt Surfer, then so can Superman. Unless we're going to pretend now the only reason Thor's blows harm Surfer is due to magic.

Also Thor and Surfer were treated as peers in their last fight, but in all previous battles Thor was always shown to be superior, especially in their very first battle, in Surfer's own comic and written by Stan Lee himself.

You can't say that since Thor did good against Surfer, Superman could as well. Both Thor and Supes have advantages over the other and Thor is overall more powerful and forceful than Superman. Thor does as good as he does against Surfer because Thor in general is just more powerful than him. Thor has some of the best fts out there going against people far above his tier.

Silver Surfers Power Cosmic ability questions:
1. the molecular restructuring and transmutation of matter
Kill Superman by for example turn Supermans brain into a rock. Could that work?

2. the creation of force fields
Can he create a forcefield inside Superman and expand it so Superman expands from inside and die?

3. energy projection
Red sun energy projection?

Originally posted by Offendor
Silver Surfers Power Cosmic ability questions:
[b]1. the molecular restructuring and transmutation of matter
Kill Superman by for example turn Supermans brain into a rock. Could that work?

2. the creation of force fields
Can he create a forcefield inside Superman and expand it so Superman expands from inside and die?

3. energy projection
Red sun energy projection? [/B]

All of this is out of character for Surfer.

Originally posted by carver9
All of this is out of character for Surfer.

Originally posted by Offendor
Can he do it or not?

He can but its out of character. That's like me saying "Thor beats Surfer 10/10 via soul sucking". Yes, Thor can do it, will it be something that he would use in a fight against Surfer...it ain't happening.

Originally posted by Offendor
Silver Surfers Power Cosmic ability questions:
[b]1. the molecular restructuring and transmutation of matter
Kill Superman by for example turn Supermans brain into a rock. Could that work?

2. the creation of force fields
Can he create a forcefield inside Superman and expand it so Superman expands from inside and die?

3. energy projection
Red sun energy projection? [/B]

About as likely as untouchable CBR Superman utilizing counter vibrations and singing people to death.

Can =/= Would.

Originally posted by carver9
You can't say that since Thor did good against Surfer, Superman could as well. Both Thor and Supes have advantages over the other and Thor is overall more powerful and forceful than Superman. Thor does as good as he does against Surfer because Thor in general is just more powerful than him. Thor has some of the best fts out there going against people far above his tier.

Every major herald or hero period has plenty of feats going against there tier. This is common in comics.

Surely you don't support the claim that Superman can't harm Surfer with his blows right?

Originally posted by Offendor
Silver Surfers Power Cosmic ability questions:
[b]1. the molecular restructuring and transmutation of matter
Kill Superman by for example turn Supermans brain into a rock. Could that work?

2. the creation of force fields
Can he create a forcefield inside Superman and expand it so Superman expands from inside and die?

3. energy projection
Red sun energy projection? [/B]

1. Won't work or at least Surfer must prove that he can do that to someone of Superman's durability.

2. I'm not sure if Surfer can make force fields appear inside very durable beings (or inside anyone for that matter). This needs to be shown. Even if so, then it is unlikely that he can overpower Superman's durability by expanding the forcefield.

3. Yes Surfer should be able to do this easily.

Also, the problem here is that even if Surfer could do these things and if they were in character for him to do then he still most likely won't be able to pull them off with any decent success rate. The reason is Superman isn't going to sit there and allow it to happen but will be trying to knock his block off (well not as much since he holds back).

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Won't work or at least Surfer must prove that he can do that to someone of Superman's durability.

Originally posted by Offendor
What does an individuals durability got to do with it? That cannot be a defense against the ability to perform changes on a molecular level. Molecules are molecules.

Originally posted by carver9
You can't say that since Thor did good against Surfer, Superman could as well.

Again Im not saying this. I was addressing the notion that Superman doesnt have the "physical power" to do any harm to surfer.

If Thor has the physical power to injure Surfer, then i dnt see why Superman would not be capable of doing so.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has resisted and reversed a magical molecular transformation by Blaze, a hell lord and skyfather level character and survived omega beams specifically attuned to his molecular structure. It doesn't work like that in comics that you have some powers and it would be effective on everyone.

Originally posted by country1000
LOL, WOW, you think NOTHING works on superman dont you?? Let me ask you this. Can Classic beyonder turn superman into a mule?

Probably a bad example, as classic Beyonder > Skyfather....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has resisted and reversed a magical molecular transformation by Blaze, a hell lord and skyfather level character and survived omega beams specifically attuned to his molecular structure. It doesn't work like that in comics that you have some powers and it would be effective on everyone.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every major herald or hero period has plenty of feats going against there tier. This is common in comics.

Surely you don't support the claim that Superman can't harm Surfer with his blows right?

Thor's offensive output is just ridiculous when it needs to be.

That's not saying other Heralds haven't gone out of their level and beat people but Thor just looks more powerful overall. Which is fine other heralds have advantages over him, that equal it out.

Speed being the biggest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's also been turned into salt by the Spectre. You want to play this showing by showing nonsense look at what I can do. 🙂

So getting turned into salt by him doesn't really mean much considering he could turn just about anyone into salt if he was drawing enough power, or had a direct order from God to do it.

Originally posted by Newjak
Bad example considering the Spectre is you know God's vengeance.

So getting turned into salt by him doesn't really mean much considering he could turn just about anyone into salt if he was drawing enough power, or had a direct order from God to do it.