Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by Ambient
Well he did do these..

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3851/silversurferv3103p20jo2.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8063/silversurferv3103p21jo7.jpg

That Karidian Sun turned red, unstable and he put it back to plain old functional yellow.. lol

Also i believed the one he amped during Infinity Crusade was also a red sol, then there's another feat with Moondragon where he absorb and redirected a giant red sol energy to the mind gem. So thats 3 separate account of red sol energy manipulation, really this should'nt be a discussion, it is within his powerset to transform/conversion forms of energy his encountered to his choosing..

With that said a simultaneous red rad projection and energy draining wins every match. AND yes SS has done this simultaneous attack before in battle, however take out the weakness exploitation and it'll be a diff. story, which would still put Surfer for maj. for but a lot closer fight

1.) he didn't need that that extra amp'd to stabilized that sun, it was just a way to kill two birds with one stone.. 2.) that feat was to show credibility toward red sol energy manipulation not the extent of his energy absorption.. 3.) his had a few upgrade since then which far surpasses a full sun absorption.. 4.) Supes still got no defense against simultaneous energy absorption and red sol projection.

Originally posted by Ambient
1.) he didn't need that that extra amp'd to stabilized that sun, it was just a way to kill two birds with one stone.. 2.) that feat was to show credibility toward red sol energy manipulation not the extent of his energy absorption.. 3.) his had a few upgrade since then which far surpasses a full sun absorption.. 4.) Supes still got no defense against simultaneous energy absorption and red sol projection.

Then he absorbed an entire fleet's energy which was aiming to kill him and then he was able to do anything with it

2. It was an amped surfer, nobody is questioning his ability to channel red sun energy but he isn't going to start the fight with red sun energy firing at superman.

3. Has he attempted something like that after he's been upgraded and succeeded or is this again just a speculation?

4. Yes, his impressive recovery time. Maybe you haven't seen it but this is what happens when red-sun light is used in broad daylight

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as for energy drain, he can resist long enough to store his stolen energies. He absorbs more and more sunlight as he stresses as stated on-panel.

@Idiotlegend, I see that shouts of fanboy! fanboy! and referencing 5 year old posts is all u could come up with. Nice. You are now on my ignore list. No hard feelings but u are not worth my time. KMC isnt a home for retards and I am not on here enough anymore quite frankly to be the one coddling your delusions after i have already deconstructed them thoroughly. Your dedication in your campaign of misrespresentation however is certainly admirable. Goodluck with the campaign homie.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Found the issues. The sheer amount of context you left out is disturbing. Seriously.

Long story short: [b]1) Superman was nearly drained in a different instance you never showed and had to be saved; and 2) those life drainers were fictional creations of an unwitting author who brought them to life and as Superman is struggling with their life draining for several pages (also not shown), the author basically pens their defeat in real-time. [/B]

Unfortunately, Its a trend with these ones, leaving out context and trying to mislead. ..smh

Originally posted by Naija boy
@Idiotlegend, I see that shouts of fanboy! fanboy! and referencing 5 year old posts is all u could come up with. Nice. You are now on my ignore list. No hard feelings but u are not worth my time. KMC isnt a home for retards and I am not on here enough anymore quite frankly to be the one coddling your delusions after i have already deconstructed them thoroughly. Your dedication in your campaign of misrespresentation however is certainly admirable. Goodluck with the campaign homie.

Surfer wins this easily. I don't see why this thread is still open, the issue is now only being debated by fanatical superman fans, no-one else thinks it likely that Superman could win a normal fight with Surfer.

They've not shown one viable tactic beyond "get up close and punch real hard" (as if Surfer's not been in a physical tussle with far stronger beings and emerged unscathed (Hulk, Mindless Hulk, Lunatik etc).

Surfer could go "toe to toe" with Superman and win, but he would most likely use some of his other abilities as well. And when he does tap into his energy manipulation, phasing, ftl/sub-nano-second reflexes etc etc ... Superman is toast.

There's nothing Superman has, as far as offensive tools go, that Surfer would be worried by. No attack or beam or blast ... nothing.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer wins this easily. I don't see why this thread is still open, the issue is now only being debated by fanatical superman fans, no-one else thinks it likely that Superman could win a normal fight with Surfer.

They've not shown one viable tactic beyond "get up close and punch real hard" (as if Surfer's not been in a physical tussle with far stronger beings and emerged unscathed (Hulk, Mindless Hulk, Lunatik etc).

Surfer could go "toe to toe" with Superman and win, but he would most likely use some of his other abilities as well. And when he does tap into his energy manipulation, phasing, ftl/sub-nano-second reflexes etc etc ... Superman is toast.

There's nothing Superman has, as far as offensive tools go, that Surfer would be worried by. No attack or beam or blast ... nothing.

Posts like that are why it's still open.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Posts like that are why it's still open.

even in these last few pages, you have nothing beyond hitting really hard, as far as Superman's offensive game plan goes.

it requires lowballing Surfer to accept that punching really hard, would give him problems.

It's uninhibited love that keeps this open... 😄

Originally posted by Naija boy
@Idiotlegend, I see that shouts of fanboy! fanboy! and referencing 5 year old posts is all u could come up with. Nice. You are now on my ignore list. No hard feelings but u are not worth my time. KMC isnt a home for retards and I am not on here enough anymore quite frankly to be the one coddling your delusions after i have already deconstructed them thoroughly. Your dedication in your campaign of misrespresentation however is certainly admirable. Goodluck with the campaign homie.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
It's uninhibited love that keeps this open... 😄

Originally posted by janus77
what? I think that adequately sums up the various "arguments" provided by the Superman contingent.

even in these last few pages, you have nothing beyond hitting really hard, as far as Superman's offensive game plan goes.

it requires lowballing Surfer to accept that punching really hard, would give him problems.

You accuse people of lowballing Surfer yet in your own posts lowball Superman. Not really going to work.

Originally posted by janus77
blind love ✅

Or common sense.

Originally posted by janus77
what? I think that adequately sums up the various "arguments" provided by the Superman contingent.

even in these last few pages, you have nothing beyond hitting really hard, as far as Superman's offensive game plan goes.

it requires lowballing Surfer to accept that punching really hard, would give him problems.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You accuse people of lowballing Surfer yet in your own posts lowball Superman. Not really going to work.

Or common sense.

You might say that I'm dismissive of Superman, and you would probably be right but, low-balling requires that I put forward or re-interpret some feats of Superman's with respect to this thread.

I think in terms of match ups this is the worse one for Superman.

Surfer's speed should mean he should be able to keep his distance well enough from Superman.

His energy based abilities are basically the tops for High Heralds.

I'm not saying Superman couldn't resist but honestly I would be willing to bet Surfer's ability to manipulate energy will be better than Superman's ability to resist considering it can go up and down how well he resists these things.

If this get's down and dirty and up close Superman can win.

But overall I think this is a bad match up for him.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't think I've put forward any arguments for Superman's feats, in fact I am commenting on the paucity of arguments for Superman, their lack of anything beyond getting in-close and punching really hard (or, in h1a8's case, really fast).

You might say that I'm dismissive of Superman, and you would probably be right but, low-balling requires that I put forward or re-interpret some feats of Superman's with respect to this thread.

There's more than one definition of low-balling, at least imo.

Silver Surver have the Power Cosmic. According to wikipedia this is what the Power Cosmic can be used for:

1. size-alteration
2. the molecular restructuring and transmutation of matter
3. the teleportation of objects (including entire galaxies) across space
4. the creation of force fields
5. the creation of interdimensional portals
6. telepathy
7. telekinesis
8. cosmic awareness on a universal scale
9. creating sentient life
10. resurrecting the dead
11. manipulating mortal souls
12. manipulating the memories and emotions of others
13. remaking dead worlds (including their populations) in every detail
14. energy projection

I don't know if Silver Surfer can do all that stuff, but if he can, he have countless ways of beating Superman. I can't think of a single good way for Superman to take Silver Surfer down. I'm voting for Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer wins this easily.

Save weakness exploitation it would be far from easy.

Originally posted by janus77
They've not shown one viable tactic beyond "get up close and punch real hard" (as if Surfer's not been in a physical tussle with far stronger beings and emerged unscathed (Hulk, Mindless Hulk, Lunatik etc).

Considering the number of times Thor has physically pounded on Surfer I think it is something for him to worry about.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer could go "toe to toe" with Superman and win,

Yes "could" but most likely would not in a toe to toe confrontation. In a punch up Supes would kill him.

Originally posted by janus77
There's nothing Superman has, as far as offensive tools go, that Surfer would be worried by. No attack or beam or blast ... nothing.

Like I said he's been pounded on by Thor on more than one occasion, but for some reason you dnt think Supes is capable of doing the same??

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Like I said he's been pounded on by Thor on more than one occasion, but for some reason you dnt think Supes is capable of doing the same??

I remember a very old comic where Dr Doom managed to steal Silver Surfers board somehow and went for Galactus. I don't remember how he did that to Silver Surfer, but I remember that the surfer got totally beaten. By Dr Doom. A human. It was a pretty awesome story. Maybe there is a chance for Superman to win after all? 🙂 I mean, a mere human managed to take Silver Surfer out after all.