Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Save weakness exploitation it would be far from easy.

Considering the number of times Thor has physically pounded on Surfer I think it is something for him to worry about.

Yes "could" but most likely would not in a toe to toe confrontation. In a punch up Supes would kill him.

Like I said he's been pounded on by Thor on more than one occasion, but for some reason you dnt think Supes is capable of doing the same??

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Like I said he's been pounded on by Thor on more than one occasion, but for some reason you dnt think Supes is capable of doing the same??

Do you have scans of Thor "pounding" Surfer into the ground? Their most current fight in Mighty Thor got physical a few times and Surfer was no where near "pounded on" by Thor.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Heh, lets start with the first one, Major force blasts superman with a blast of Dark Quantum energy which sucks the solar energy out of him and temporarily gives major force the advantage as he then picks up and tosses superman away. Superman however is able to quickly recover and overwhelm him using good speed to dodge the subsequent Quantum blast and then proceeds to melt him with HV. Good feat, but nowhere is Superman shown directly resisting an energy drain. He doesnt even receive a sustained direct energy drain attack in that instance but instead takes a single blast the drives the solar energy outside of his cells. Thats more similar to what happens in the case of a blast single blast of red sun radiation as opposed to prolonged draining. Additionally Superman uses his speed to dodge the second attack which lends credence to the efficacy of the attack in the first place. It is a good feat for his recovery time and HV but certainly doesnt show him willfully resisting a direct energy drain.

As for the Blackstarr incident, Once again we saw how effective a direct energy drain is on Superman (and supergirl) as well as energy manipulation in general. Black Star ensares them in her absorption field thing and is absorbing their energy and then begins wrapping their brainwaves in a gravity web. Nowhere is it even alluded to the the energy absorpiton is not working. Thats your overactive imagination at work again. Her attacking their neurons was not at all a result of her failure to absorb their energy but rather her emphasizng her energy control by incapacitating them even further. The dialogue clearly shows this with her laughing and saying how every spark within them is hers to play with as she chooses. She had them dead to rights. In that comic however, Supergirl is actually viewing this from the 31st century and as she sees the way the battle is going asks Braniac 5 to send her mental waves back in time. Ill post the scans in order so the context is obvious to everyone:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackstarr6.jpg
(Above scan is where Supergirl gets her mind sent back and is what you left out.lol). In the very next scan below superman is still struggling until supergirl enters his head and Blackstarr wonders how he got the mental strength to break free since he was almost laid out previously
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR3.jpg
Next scan we see clearly that supergirls brainwaves are in control of him as he writes something on the wall with HV
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr2.jpg
Two pages onward Supergirl returns to the 31st century and indicates she did not travel to her body (i.e she went to supermans)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackStarr9.jpg
Then on the next and last page what Supergirl wrote is revealed and Superman's ignorance of the whole incident confirms it being supergirls doing
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr3.jpg

[B]So Yet again and in the same post no less we have an instance of you leaving out mountains of context and prudent information in order to tailor on panel occurences to fit your superman sycophant agenda.
facepalm facepalm facepalm

Your romanticization of supermans counter vibrations feat is hilarious especially with your projection of supposedly "common physics" onto a comic feat which clearly was not intended to support the inferences you are trying to derive from it. I wont even get into that anyways since its irrelevant to the discussion at hand unless ur argument is that Superman sings Surfer out of existence lmao. With your horrendous memory and penchant for misrepresentation of on panel fact, "IIRC" aint gonna cut it homie. Prove that the miracle machine necessarilly required entire sun levels of output to power it, with scans or issue numbers please or just drop what is already a tangential point anyways. No use making the valley ur in any larger. Oh and my referencing of the old power satiating Galactus for a hundred thousand years is directly relevant to Sufers skill at manipulating large amounts of energy. (he got tired after but that was partly cuz he also reconstructed planet Sakaar which was falling apart) That should go without saying but things have to be spelled out for u it seems. Hulk has been drained by other characters and ironically from many of the scans you posted yourself, so has superman (characters who happen to be inferior to Surfer no less). Talk about being counter productive

Surfers feats and I say more than that for sure but no matter, the shields are only to bolster durability anyways and can be erected on more than one occasion as well as be used to counter attack etc. So again very useful and another advantage Surfer has.

As for the rest of your post...Even Carver would be ashamed of typing that.The amount of misrepresentation and on panel twisting in it goes from alarming to downright infuriating in no time. I was planning on just writing an evenly toned reply but Christ I dont think ive seen such an overt campaign to mislead in my whole time on KMC and it needed to be addressed..lol. I would like to believe that these were just honest mistakes cuz the scenes being discussed arent even debatable and can only be viewed differently, if you hve got on a pair of superman goggles coupled with Lois lane panties.....
You should probably change where u shop.

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This is complete ownage. Naija is killing them. I think my vote might change to even higher figures for Surfer. Da** this is ownage.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Save weakness exploitation it would be far from easy.

Considering the number of times Thor has physically pounded on Surfer I think it is something for him to worry about.

Yes "could" but most likely would not in a toe to toe confrontation. In a punch up Supes would kill him.

Like I said he's been pounded on by Thor on more than one occasion, but for some reason you dnt think Supes is capable of doing the same??

Scans of Thor owning Surfer in a lunch fest. Proof please.

^ Ok Iv exagerrated with the pounding just to make a point, but Thor has usually been shown as superior to Surfer, and his offensive on Surfer was usually a physical one.

So to say Superman with all his physical might could not do anything to Surfer is just pure rubbish.

Anyone remember how Dr Doom managed to steal Silver Surfers board? However he managed to do it, its a weakness. Maybe Superman can exploit it too.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

So to say Superman with all his physical might could not do anything to Surfer is just pure rubbish.

No one's saying that.

But I'm against the idea that Surfer's weakness is a physical fight. His most current feats show otherwise. Like when he physically beat down BRB (Thor's peer) into a bloody mess while holding back, or when he physically beat the crap out of Skaar in three punches when getting serious. The Skaar feat was impressive because Skaar was amped by his entire planet's old-power (enough to satisfy Galactus' hunger for 100,000 years) and destroying the entire planet with it. Finally there's the latest Thor vs. Surfer fight in Mighty Thor, which looked like a stalemate. Based on this I think Surfer could hold his own physically against Superman for a while.

Superman has the edge physically against Surfer, but the gap isn't huge, and this isn't a fist fight.

Originally posted by Offendor
Anyone remember how Dr Doom managed to steal Silver Surfers board? However he managed to do it, its a weakness. Maybe Superman can exploit it too.

No, he can't.

Kal isn't replicating Dr. Doom's feat of hijacking the Power Cosmic anytime soon.

Originally posted by Naija boy
@Idiotlegend, I see that shouts of fanboy! fanboy! and referencing 5 year old posts is all u could come up with. Nice. You are now on my ignore list. No hard feelings but u are not worth my time. KMC isnt a home for retards and I am not on here enough anymore quite frankly to be the one coddling your delusions after i have already deconstructed them thoroughly. Your dedication in your campaign of misrespresentation however is certainly admirable. Goodluck with the campaign homie.

Originally posted by carver9
This is complete ownage. Naija is killing them. I think my vote might change to even higher figures for Surfer. Da** this is ownage.

So, at the end, everyone agrees that Surfer would lay waste on Superman?

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Did you read the issue?

^Probably....but misconstruing scenes is standard sycophant m.o

Originally posted by Badabing
Stop.

Carver, you're such a cheerleader. cheerleader

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Did you read the issue?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Energy draining shouldn't be auto-win, but I'm hard-pressed to recall times where Superman's shown particularly good resistance to energy draining.

Yeah, Superman having trouble with energy drainers is by far the standard, what with Parasite being a rogue, Triumph threatening to kill him by sucking out his solar radiation, and various odd examples..

That's what happens when your power source is easily siphoned solar energy. On the flipside, it makes it really easy for him to amp, so it's a double edge sword (And as an aside, I'm surprised a writer never had Batman or someone rig a method of amping him up on demand. Say, beaming solar energy down on his location through an orbital device, like Lex Luther did in the early post crisis era..)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Ok Iv exagerrated with the pounding just to make a point, but Thor has usually been shown as superior to Surfer, and his offensive on Surfer was usually a physical one.

So to say Superman with all his physical might could not do anything to Surfer is just pure rubbish.

No.. Thor and Surfer has always been portrayed as peers. Their last encounter in Thor's book cements this since when they fought each other, nether showed to have an strength or power advantage over the other.

The problem with using Thor as a gauge as to how Superman would fare against Silver Surfer is that Thor has a nice little equalizer known as mjolneir which he can use to counter Surfer's cosmic blasts.

Without the hammer, Surfer would be able to take the majority against Thor. And since Superman has no hammer, not to mention he has some glaring weaknesses such as red sun light waves and kryptonie, which are all energy based weaknesses, He'd lose more times that Thor would against Surfer.

It kinda like how Thor is tailored to take out Green Lanterns given his hammer's abilities, in the same way, Surfer is tailored to take out Superman given his powerset.

This is in no way a jab at Superman, Surfer and Superman, IMO are in the same ball park of power, it just that Surfer's power's would be more effective against Superman than Superman's powers would be against Surfer.

I still say Thor vs Surfer as peers is editorial mandate.

Based on the fact that Surfer's offensive output is >>>>>>>> Savage Hulk, Namor, Hercules, or your average class 100, yet Thor gets hurt by class 100 hits all the time.

Of course, the same logic applies to Thor not using his vast firepower to wipe out Hulk/Herc/Namor as well. But I'm talking about his durability here. If Thor's durability was capable of tanking Surfers best attack, he'd be more than durable enough to stand there and let Namor wail on him all day, without budging.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo

Without the hammer, Surfer would be able to take the majority against Thor.

Like I wrote above, Thor tanks Surfers blasts all the time though. No hammer deflection or absorption, he just tanks them.

It's similar to Superman tanking Orions Astro Force, who really should be capable or vaporizing Supes going all out..

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
No.. Thor and Surfer has always been portrayed as peers. Their last encounter in Thor's book cements this since when they fought each other, nether showed to have an strength or power advantage over the other.

The problem with using Thor as a gauge as to how Superman would fare against Silver Surfer is that Thor has a nice little equalizer known as mjolneir which he can use to counter Surfer's cosmic blasts.

Without the hammer, Surfer would be able to take the majority against Thor. And since Superman has no hammer, not to mention he has some glaring weaknesses such as red sun light waves and kryptonie, which are all energy based weaknesses, He'd lose more times that Thor would against Surfer.

It kinda like how Thor is tailored to take out Green Lanterns given his hammer's abilities, in the same way, Surfer is tailored to take out Superman given his powerset.

This is in no way a jab at Superman, Surfer and Superman, IMO are in the same ball park of power, it just that Surfer's power's would be more effective against Superman than Superman's powers would be against Surfer.

Yeah thing is I never said Superman would stalemate Surfer because Thor does. I was addressing this ridiculous notion that Superman does not have the physical might to harm Surfer.

Well of course he does. If Thor can physically hurt Surfer, then so can Superman. Unless we're going to pretend now the only reason Thor's blows harm Surfer is due to magic.

Also Thor and Surfer were treated as peers in their last fight, but in all previous battles Thor was always shown to be superior, especially in their very first battle, in Surfer's own comic and written by Stan Lee himself.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah thing is I never said Superman would stalemate Surfer because Thor does. I was addressing this ridiculous notion that Superman does not have the physical might to harm Surfer.

Well of course he does. If Thor can physically hurt Surfer, then so can Superman. Unless we're going to pretend now the only reason Thor's blows harm Surfer is due to magic.

Also Thor and Surfer were treated as peers in their last fight, but in all previous battles Thor was always shown to be superior, especially in their very first battle, in Surfer's own comic and written by Stan Lee himself.

If Thor was using his bare fists, imo he shouldn't be able to hurt Surfer.

But the hammer lets him hit much harder than he could with his fists. I don't believe he's ever busted a planet like Bill has, but he has other high end feats using the hammer like damaging celestial armor.

Originally posted by cdtm
If Thor was using his bare fists, imo he shouldn't be able to hurt Surfer.

But the hammer lets him hit much harder than he could with his fists. I don't believe he's ever busted a planet like Bill has, but he has other high end feats using the hammer like damaging celestial armor.

Bill busted the planet by flying into it. This is not a strength feat. If the hammer allows the user to accelerate faster and faster then eventually the user is going to reach a velocity that will destroy a planet. IMO, Thor should be able to do the same thing.

I believe Thor, with his fists, will affect Surfer but not by a whole lot. Look at the vicious headbutt Thor gave Surfer. Thor was hurt and Surfer seemed unaffected (though his head was dented in). I think Thor's hands will hurt (or be slightly injured) in the process though.