Originally posted by krisblaze
The fights aren't admissable. They're null and void.How can you use something that, for the purpose of this board, doesn't exist?
@Jurgens, Who cares what that douche says?
And I'd take what Jurgens say to whatever anyone of us says.
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The comics are superior to what the board says though.And I'd take what Jurgens say to whatever anyone of us says.
Then you can go sit in your hole?
On this forum, neither interviews nor forum posts nor crossovers are admissable in debates.
Originally posted by krisblaze
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
Then you can go sit in your hole?
On this forum, neither interviews nor forum posts nor crossovers are admissable in debates.
And Cyborg Superman fighting surfer is totally canon. Parallax mentions that he chased Cyborg to another universe in Final Night under the same writer Ron Marz.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not using it as a definitive proof that Superman would beat Surfer. Just that Superman looks superior in their comparative fights.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Cyborg Superman fighting surfer is totally canon. Parallax mentions that he chased Cyborg to another universe in Final Night under the same writer Ron Marz.
Originally posted by carver9Surfer has 1 feat (that's ambiguous) of crossing galaxies as blurs or something like that. The problem is there are trillions of galaxies. Superman going to the edge of the universe in mere moments trumps that. I'm not saying Superman is faster but Superman is not going to give Surfer time to do anything exotic. Think about it. Superman's combat speed feats are greater though.
A lot slower? You're talking about a guy that can cross Galaxies in a blur. Chase light and fly around the world looking at every spot in seconds. Speed isn't an issue here and Surfer throwing off attacks while moving fast isn't an issue either.Lol...Surfer can go intangible as well. Literally go intangible vs Superman moving around real fast.
Lol @ Surfer not being able to go exotic. Why can't he go exotic H1? That's all it takes is a raise of his hand or the opening of his eyes or a touch of his hand.
Lol...while Superman is on him, let me guess, Surfer will be standing there looking foolish. This is a guy that was withstanding punches while talking from a guy that was feeding off of a planet, bathe in stars, swim in black holes, and withstand punches from high tier beings. If you honestly believe Superman hitting him with a couple of blows (which wouldn't happen without Surfer attacking back) then something is wrong with you.
Surfer can do anything, anything. He wins this fight.
It's irrelevant that Surfer can go intangible. My argument is that Superman can avoid some of Surfer's attacks by going intangible. That doesn't mean Superman will win but rather it would be hard for him to lose.
Surfer can't go exotic because Superman won't just sit there and allow it. Superman would be attacking. Raise hand my ass. Surfer's exotic powers requires him to shoot energy out (mostly in blast form) to create an effect.
Surfer has a glass jaw. Sure he can take a punch sometimes, but mostly he gets rocked like hell. All heralds can survive in stars. That's nothing. Surfer only fought inside the event horizon, he didn't touch the singularity.
If Superman hits Surfer just once, then Surfer will be rocked to all hell. And the fight will be downhill from there. Superman is stronger than any foe Surfer ever faced. Thor always manages to rock Surfer with his hammer throws or hammer hits.
Surfer can't do everything. He has no great combat skill. He's a blaster. That's his weakness. Fisticuffs and he will be outmatch by several high herald level beings. He has a glass jaw when it comes to very strong high herald level blunt force attacks. Superman has fighting skills and pressure point ability as well as ranged attacks (hv) and the cheating freeze breath.
Bottomline: This fight can go either way. If Surfer is defensive minded all day long then he wins the majority. But if he gets aggressive then his chances to slip becomes greater and Superman can win a slight majority.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Crossovers are considered non-canon, even if they are sometimes canon in comics, due to the politics between the companies that play a bigger role on who wins than anything else.
Honestly this rule should be revised.
When a hero fights another hero in a same company crossover the result is based on the writers interpretation of the fight which has to be approved by the editorial
When a hero fights another hero in a inter-company crossover the result is based on the writers interpretation of the fight which has to be approved by the editorials
So unless the fight is FAN VOTED, the same company crossover and the inter-company crossover work by the same rules.
WHY ARE WE TRYING TO DISMISS INTER-COMPANY CROSSOVERS THAT HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS AS A SAME COMPANY CROSSOVER? mmm
Originally posted by krisblaze
Same standards?There's no way in hell certain characters will lose in a company crossover.
If you want the rules changed, talk to some of the mods, for now, that's the way it is.
I'm amazed that you've been here 4 years and didn't even know the ****ing rules.
I hope you are not trying to imply that Superman cannot lose because remember how he performed vs VENOM? and I know the "****ing rules" but they should revise this one 🙂
Originally posted by krisblaze
There's nothing that prohibits you from using it to make up your mind, privately.But when you're using it as a basis for arguments on this site then you're clearly going beyond that.
And you should stop backseat modding.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Same standards?There's no way in hell certain characters will lose in a company crossover.
If you want the rules changed, talk to some of the mods, for now, that's the way it is.
I'm amazed that you've been here 4 years and didn't even know the ****ing rules.
😬
Those weren't the crossovers that would've become admissable if we follow Rao's suggested rule change.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. There is nothing stopping me from gauging characters power level unless I'm using them as to show how characters can beat others based on that.And you should stop backseat modding.
You are using it to determine how Superman beats Surfer, by comparing Superman's fight with Cyborg and an inadmissable event.
I'm not sure what to do here though.
You don't know the rules, and this is hardly something I can report you for.
You won't follow the rules set for debate, but it's not a reportable offense and I can't stop you obstructing any hope of a real debate.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Those weren't the crossovers that would've become admissable if we follow Rao's suggested rule change.You are using it to determine how Superman beats Surfer, by comparing Superman's fight with Cyborg and an inadmissable event.
I'm not sure what to do here though.
You don't know the rules, and this is hardly something I can report you for.
You won't follow the rules set for debate, but it's not a reportable offense and I can't stop you obstructing any hope of a real debate.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I said Superman looks superior to surfer. I said Superman beats Surfer because his in-universe record is better than Surfer's record. Two different things.
How does he look superior.
By beating someone the Surfer has never faced?
Any logical reasoning you've made to come to that conclusion won't make any sense, because half of it isn't admissable.
And this is the Superman vs Silver Surfer thread, obviously you're bringing it up to sway the debate in favour of Superman. Why else would you bring it up? Are you making unrelated idle chatter that coincidentally happens to be the same topic as the thread?
Originally posted by krisblaze
How does he look superior.By beating someone the Surfer has never faced?
Any logical reasoning you've made to come to that conclusion won't make any sense, because half of it isn't admissable.
And this is the Superman vs Silver Surfer thread, obviously you're bringing it up to sway the debate in favour of Superman. Why else would you bring it up? Are you making unrelated idle chatter that coincidentally happens to be the same topic as the thread?
So yeah, Surfer and Cyborh have met. Their fights is not usable though.
And I say this again, stop backseat modding.
Oh jeez this thread has gone to a new level of desperate.
Using crossovers in an argument are against the rules, but if you're really intent on using them:
1. Surfer never lost to Cyborg. He was just beginning to unleash more of his power before that fight got stopped.
2. It's been mentioned TWICE in crossovers how Superman is in complete AWE of Surfers powers. Once when he increased Metropolis back to size and the second time when Superman was given the power cosmic.
3. All these Crossovers happened PRIOR to Sufers Massive Amp in Annihilation. So it's all moot anyway.
4. If you want to go by crossovers then by Superman's own words he "Just Barely" beat Thor. And that was without Thor even resorting to any of his most Potent/Lethal Energy Blasts. And going by that fight he certainly can't speed blitz Thor like most of you try to argue. Superman was certainly shown as being faster but he got like what.. 3 hits for every 2 Thor landed??