Originally posted by darthgooberI said it could be a negative and not that it always is. It's not too much a negative against slower opponents or weaker opponents. Mostly against peers it's a negative. A character that has more options have to literally abandon some in order to be more efficient and effective in real battle. It's not much a negative in MA since it is assumed a character has training and experience performing the maneuvers in battle time making the techniques instinctual and muscle memory. Also a martial artist that knows 10 good techniques can beat another that knows 100 different ones if each of the 10 are just as effective as each of the 100.
Think about what you're suggesting for a sec. Would you say that in a h2h fight between the two that Karate Kid knowing more moves than Shang Chi would in any way be a negative or give Shang any kind of edge? And I know that you're giving Surfer the win so don't think I'm trying to actually trying to argue here, l'm just addressing that one specific point because it seems a little... Off.
karate kids moves are instinctual (he doesn't have to think) because he has trained for every scenario involving each technique. I'm a math/science teacher and I can see a problem and know exactly what to do instantly. Because I have much experience and training.
Finally, karate kid is not real. It doesn't necessarily follow that knowing many forms of combat will give you the advantage over someone that knows a single form. Some forms are inferior and would cause you to lose if you employ them. I seen people far more effective at one art than someone who held black belts in several.
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree. But let me say this.
Being more versatile or having more options could be a negative.
It can lead to a slower decisions in battle since one would need more time to think about which option to do. In a real fight against peers then there is hardly any time to think but only react. I would take 4 very effective powers over 100 different powers where I have to spend extra time trying to decide what to do.As a pseudo explanation of why Surfer mostly blasts and maneuvers and doesn't use no where near all his powers is because he's in a real battle situation where there is hardly any time to think. Also, he simply doesn't think about every power every time he fights. He thinks blast first. Given more time or against much slower opponents he has more time to think through all his powers. Study long, study wrong and Surfer is hammered.
This fight is closer than most people think. It's still Surfer's fight to lose. But there exist good arguments why Superman should win.
The problem is that he doesn't need to go over a check list of every single power he has in order to figure out how to win. This is due to cosmic awareness. His own super speed plus cosmic awareness plus the ability to slow time..should get rid of any of the negatives you are talking about.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Okay, show me issue numbers or scans.
Gave a person that was trapped as a machine...created him a body.
http://i.imgur.com/FlMzVJ7.jpg
Peeling back the fabric of time to see past events.
http://i.imgur.com/z8Vlm74.jpg
There's more...a lot more.
Originally posted by h1a8
I said it could be a negative and not that it always is. It's not too much a negative against slower opponents or weaker opponents. Mostly against peers it's a negative. A character that has more options have to literally abandon some in order to be more efficient and effective in real battle. It's not much a negative in MA since it is assumed a character has training and experience performing the maneuvers in battle time making the techniques instinctual and muscle memory. Also a martial artist that knows 10 good techniques can beat another that knows 100 different ones if each of the 10 are just as effective as each of the 100.karate kids moves are instinctual (he doesn't have to think) because he has trained for every scenario involving each technique. I'm a math/science teacher and I can see a problem and know exactly what to do instantly. Because I have much experience and training.
Finally, karate kid is not real. It doesn't necessarily follow that knowing many forms of combat will give you the advantage over someone that knows a single form. Some forms are inferior and would cause you to lose if you employ them. I seen people far more effective at one art than someone who held black belts in several.
Sigh...read please.
Originally posted by carver9
Gave a person that was trapped as a machine...created him a body.http://i.imgur.com/FlMzVJ7.jpg
Peeling back the fabric of time to see past events.
http://i.imgur.com/z8Vlm74.jpg
There's more...a lot more.
Here another one bacteria to Deviant "Ghaur".
Originally posted by carver9my argument is against peers. You know, beings with similar thinking and moving speeds. Superman can attack in a nanosecond. Surfer and Superman fighting is like two humans fighting. Not much time to think but only react. If Superman was slow then you would have a point.
Sigh...read please.
Originally posted by h1a8
my argument is against peers. You know, beings with similar thinking and moving speeds. Superman can attack in a nanosecond. Surfer and Superman fighting is like two humans fighting. Not much time to think but only react. If Superman was slow then you would have a point.
Lol...I can understand if you were talking about two humans that were fighting but these are super humans. They shouldn't have a problem determining whatever attack they want to use during any given moment. Surfer can phase if he wants and think of any attack he should or could do while Superman sat there and swung at him. Or he could ya know, create a force field around his body which would again, give him time to come up with a strategy. This is IF we want to go by the idea that these beings can't think of attacks on the fly. Especially when Surfer has his cosmic awareness that could aid him in his next moves.
Originally posted by h1a8
my argument is against peers. You know, beings with similar thinking and moving speeds. Superman can attack in a nanosecond. Surfer and Superman fighting is like two humans fighting. Not much time to think but only react. If Superman was slow then you would have a point.
That's a rather silly, contradictory take. Are you suggesting they can't think fast enough to control their movements? So when Surfer is exceeding light speed, he's running into shit? There is a scan in this threading showing him processing and unbelievable amount of information in an instant. PLUS fights between speedster heralds take much longer, or, they are moving fast but are able to speak and think with no problem. You are throwing up road blocks.
