Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I can understand if you were talking about two humans that were fighting but these are super humans. They shouldn't have a problem determining whatever attack they want to use during any given moment. Surfer can phase if he wants and think of any attack he should or could do while Superman sat there and swung at him. Or he could ya know, create a force field around his body which would again, give him time to come up with a strategy. This is IF we want to go by the idea that these beings can't think of attacks on the fly. Especially when Surfer has his cosmic awareness that could aid him in his next moves.

Surfer doesn't think like that. He's more inclined to blast as his main offensive weapon because he believes it will be very effective. Why try to think of other powers when a simple blast will do the trick. Superman could go intangible too or sing Surfer out of existence, but that's not going to take here with most debaters.
Surfer definitely will employ shields though. It's fair to say that he will never use phasing in battle against a peer, since he never has and since it may not be practical (might take a second or more to achieve, which is an eternity).

Problem with cosmic awareness is that it doesn't aid him in his next moves in the actual comics. Otherwise he wouldn't do billions of stupid shit all the time. He is a known jobber.

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem is that he doesn't need to go over a check list of every single power he has in order to figure out how to win. This is due to cosmic awareness. His own super speed plus cosmic awareness plus the ability to slow time..should get rid of any of the negatives you are talking about.

Lastly, Surfer thubks just as fast as he moves (not faster .

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's a rather silly, contradictory take. Are you suggesting they can't think fast enough to control their movements? So when Surfer is exceeding light speed, he's running into shit? There is a scan in this threading showing him processing and unbelievable amount of information in an instant. PLUS fights between speedster heralds take much longer, or, they are moving fast but are able to speak and think with no problem. You are throwing up road blocks.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol no. I'm saying that fighting someone with comparable speed cancels out your reflexes. Surfer wouldn't see Superman in slow motion, he would see Thanos or Thor in slow motion (well he should). And neither would Superman be a blur to Norrin. It will be like two humans fighting. Only time to react, not to plan and decide amongst a bazillion powers.

Lol, come on. You act like Superman would in fact operate as super speed from the first nanosecond. You think he's that desperate? Surfer wouldn't have a problem blasting him with cosmic energies at superspeed either.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Lol, come on. You act like Superman would in fact operate as super speed from the first nanosecond. You think he's that desperate? Surfer wouldn't have a problem blasting him with cosmic energies at superspeed either.

Originally posted by h1a8
The glinting bastard is no joke.

Originally posted by h1a8
fighting is like chess. You always see better moves and mistakes after the fight. Super speed cancels out super reflexes. Surfer and Superman fighting will resemble two humans fighting in both their own minds (not ours).

Surfer doesn't think like that. He's more inclined to blast as his main offensive weapon because he believes it will be very effective. Why try to think of other powers when a simple blast will do the trick. Superman could go intangible too or sing Surfer out of existence, but that's not going to take here with most debaters.
Surfer definitely will employ shields though. It's fair to say that he will never use phasing in battle against a peer, since he never has and since it may not be practical (might take a second or more to achieve, which is an eternity).

Problem with cosmic awareness is that it doesn't aid him in his next moves in the actual comics. Otherwise he wouldn't do billions of stupid shit all the time. He is a known jobber.

Lol...Surfer doesn't fight like that? Superman doesn't fight the way you are suggesting either. Lol...going intangible, etc... stop contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Surfer doesn't fight like that? Superman doesn't fight the way you are suggesting either. Lol...going intangible, etc... stop contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by h1a8
I know. If you read carefully I wasn't arguing how Superman fights in comic but how he fights IF Surfer fights like he's doesn't. It was a counter to your tactic. Basically if you go there then so will I.

Lol...but even if you debated like that and used intangibility, it still wouldn't work against Surfer. You don't have an argument tbh. Surfer thought of a millennium worth of info in a millisecond. That's canon. He can process whatever move he wants in enough time to throw it at Superman without any type of inconvenience. How about this, show me Surfer having issues processing his next move in a fight. It's just a thought for him, a fast a** thought. Imagine this. What if you were Surfer and you know of Superman capabilities, what would you do if Superman was charging you? What would be your second move? What about your 3rd and 4th. I've thought of 4 moves in no time at all. In less time than it took me to type this. It didn't take time for me at all. What about you?

Lol @ Surfer being a jobber in any way. He has low showings like any and every other Herald leveller.

Surfer has an advantage in almost every category.

Everyone goes on about Surfer draining but Superman is a cosmic collector for most solar (cosmic) radiation and Surfer has been absorbed by everyone from Rulk to Arm'Chedon.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...but even if you debated like that and used intangibility, it still wouldn't work against Surfer. You don't have an argument tbh. Surfer thought of a millennium worth of info in a millisecond. That's canon. He can process whatever move he wants in enough time to throw it at Superman without any type of inconvenience. How about this, show me Surfer having issues processing his next move in a fight. It's just a thought for him, a fast a** thought. Imagine this. What if you were Surfer and you know of Superman capabilities, what would you do if Superman was charging you? What would be your second move? What about your 3rd and 4th. I've thought of 4 moves in no time at all. In less time than it took me to type this. It didn't take time for me at all. What about you?

1. If Superman staysintangible then he cant lose. But he's not going to do that.
2. Surfer didn't think of anything, information was given to him at a high speed from someone else. This doesn't prove that Surfer can think fast. In the movie Battlefield Earth, a human was given all the knowledge of the aliens in less than a minute. The aliens were far more advanced than human. But there are other scans that actually prove that Surfer can actually think fast on his own. You used the wrong one. Everyone knows Surfer can think fast. That's why I said in the last thousand posts that he can. So you are preaching to the choir.
3. Superman isn't slow. His speed can cancel out Surfers thinking speed. At best I believe Surfer can think of a 1 or 2 within several nanoseconds, not his entire assortment of abilities. But on average he can only react in a nanosecond.
4. Surfers shields are instant. But what about his other powers? It make take a tenth of a second or more to fully activate. That's a long time against Superman.
So it may not be practical doing anything but bread and butter stuff in this fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...but even if you debated like that and used intangibility, it still wouldn't work against Surfer. You don't have an argument tbh. Surfer thought of a millennium worth of info in a millisecond. That's canon. He can process whatever move he wants in enough time to throw it at Superman without any type of inconvenience. How about this, show me Surfer having issues processing his next move in a fight. It's just a thought for him, a fast a** thought. Imagine this. What if you were Surfer and you know of Superman capabilities, what would you do if Superman was charging you? What would be your second move? What about your 3rd and 4th. I've thought of 4 moves in no time at all. In less time than it took me to type this. It didn't take time for me at all. What about you?

1. If Superman staysintangible then he cant lose. But he's not going to do that.
2. Surfer didn't think of anything, information was given to him at a high speed from someone else. This doesn't prove that Surfer can think fast. In the movie Battlefield Earth, a human was given all the knowledge of the aliens in less than a minute. The aliens were far more advanced than humans. But there are other scans that actually prove that Surfer can actually think fast on his own. You used the wrong one. Everyone knows Surfer can think fast. That's why I said in the last thousand posts that he can. So you are preaching to the choir.
3. Superman isn't slow. His speed can cancel out Surfers thinking speed. At best I believe Surfer can think of a 1 or 2 within several nanoseconds, not his entire assortment of abilities. But on average he can only react in a nanosecond.
4. Surfers shields are instant. But what about his other powers? It make take a tenth of a second or more to fully activate. That's a long time against Superman.
So it may not be practical doing anything but bread and butter stuff in this fight.

Fight to the best of their abilities. Surfer will try to keep the distance and blast Superman with Red Sun Radiation and Knite while trying to build a Black Hole in Supes brain, Supes will vibrate and evade, distract Surfer with a HV blasts as strong as the one from FC to break Surfers shield and close the distance, combat speed is on Supermans side. Before the Knite and Red Sun weaken him enough and before the Black Hole appears, he will, within a timeframe of a nanosecond blitz Surfer, who is rather vulnerable to physical attacks, and drop him. Surfer won't have the time in combat speed to react properly.

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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Fight to the best of their abilities. Surfer will try to keep the distance and blast Superman with Red Sun Radiation and Knite while trying to build a Black Hole in Supes brain, Supes will vibrate and evade, distract Surfer with a HV blasts as strong as the one from FC to break Surfers shield and close the distance, combat speed is on Supermans side. Before the Knite and Red Sun weaken him enough and before the Black Hole appears, he will, within a timeframe of a nanosecond blitz Surfer, who is rather vulnerable to physical attacks, and drop him. Surfer won't have the time in combat speed to react properly.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Lol
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Funny enough Superman did already such a thing, contrary to Surfer who got the benefit of the doubt from my part. In OWAW Superman was trained and fought for the first time to the best of his abilities. Once he did this he was oneshotting analogyies of Galactus Heralds, who were HH level to low Skyfather level like nothing. Best thing about this was, that he didn't need to actor think like Surfer has to, he just was a force of destruction, calm, focused, deadly. Also in FC once he had to fight to the best of his abilities his HV was strong enough to koed HH from afar as a side effect.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. If Superman staysintangible then he cant lose. But he's not going to do that.
2. Surfer didn't think of anything, information was given to him at a high speed from someone else. This doesn't prove that Surfer can think fast. In the movie Battlefield Earth, a human was given all the knowledge of the aliens in less than a minute. The aliens were far more advanced than humans. But there are other scans that actually prove that Surfer can actually think fast on his own. You used the wrong one. Everyone knows Surfer can think fast. That's why I said in the last thousand posts that he can. So you are preaching to the choir.
3. Superman isn't slow. His speed can cancel out Surfers thinking speed. At best I believe Surfer can think of a 1 or 2 within several nanoseconds, not his entire assortment of abilities. But on average he can only react in a nanosecond.
4. Surfers shields are instant. But what about his other powers? It make take a tenth of a second or more to fully activate. That's a long time against Superman.
So it may not be practical doing anything but bread and butter stuff in this fight.

Superman isn't intangible, crazy, he is using super speed. Super speed and intangibility are two different things.

Supes can vibrate fast enough.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Supes can vibrate fast enough.

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This is btw how you hold Planets and Universes apart and save them (and the whole Omniverse). 😉