Originally posted by Schecter
well...you have to read the rest of the paragraph.
Originally posted by Schecter
kind hard to know beyond that if your entire family history and even name was erased. therefor i think it actually is fair that they would be proud of their continent of origin since...what other choice do they have?
Well heres the thing they cant trace back their family history, but when you say contient they obvoulsy came from West Africa, not East North or South. So if a black American wanted to know about his ancestry he wouldnt look to the Zulus or the Congo, he would focus on West African History, eg Mandigos, Su Su and tribes from that region.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well heres the thing they cant trace back their family history, but when you say contient they obvoulsy came from West Africa, not East North or South. So if a black American wanted to know about his ancestry he wouldnt look to the Zulus or the Congo, he would focus on West African History, eg Mandigos, Su Su and tribes from that region.
well wouldnt it be a bit ridiculous for me to express deep pride in being western european? is it fathomable that their cultures are equally diverse in that region?
Originally posted by Schecter
well wouldnt it be a bit ridiculous for me to express deep pride in being wester european? is it fathomable that their cultures are equally diverse in that region?
Why? Yeah its diverse in that region, but im just saying that when it comes to finding out their culture Black Americans are not that lost.
Originally posted by Schecter
since its completely vague, as in nonspecific, as in there is more differences between french, irish, german, spanish, italian, etc than you can fit through the grand canyon?
Anyway edited my post.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah its diverse in that region, but im just saying that when it comes to finding out their culture Black Americans are not that lost.
Ive also been told that some tribes in West Africa have distinctive features, so you can tell by looking at some West Indians and Black Americans what tribe they might have come from....but I dunno about that.
Also it depands on what part of America you are from, for example apparently alot of blacks that live in New Orleans are Mandingo and are from certains specific tribes. If you reaserach you can actually find out what tribes went to certain parts of America so that is more specific.
Another edit.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAlso it depands on what part of America you are from, for example apparently alot of blacks that live in New Orleans are Mandingo and are from certains specific tribes. If you reaserach you can actually find out what tribes went to certain parts of America so that is more specific.
Originally posted by queeq
I think too much mingling has been going one to trace secure genetic backgrounds.
Possibly. I actually have Portugese blood because some Europeans intermarried with my tribe pre slavery times.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why? Yeah its diverse in that region, but im just saying that when it comes to finding out their culture Black Americans are not that lost.
unless you feel that german, italian, french, british are all the same, you're clearly wrong (as in you should realise that and accept it). like, some french dude can cross the border to spain and blend right in like one of the natives.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ive also been told that some tribes in West Africa have distinctive features, so you can tell by looking at some West Indians and Black Americans what tribe they might have come from....but I dunno about that.
we are not discussing features. we are discussing:
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
finding out their culture
as we both have specified, right? many italians have big noses. so do many jews. general features are not reliable tracing factors.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Also it depands on what part of America you are from, for example apparently alot of blacks that live in New Orleans are Mandingo and are from certains specific tribes. If you reaserach you can actually find out what tribes went to certain parts of America so that is more specific.
no, it was not a general rule. nothing is absolute about which tribes went where. at best they can make an educated guess, but what is that worth besides nothing in terms of cultural pride? "i might be kenyan...but i might not....VIVA KENYA!"
lets get real, k?
Originally posted by Schecterno, it was not a general rule. nothing is absolute about which tribes went where. at best they can make an educated guess,
Listen dont jump the gun here, ok? I never said there was a general rule, ok? I said in SOME parts of America ceratin tribes went to certain places....ok? For example alot of Mandingos went to New Orleans. Now I cant be assed to get the references my father is doing a PHD on it when he finshed it you can feel free to argue with him, ok??????? When you do a PHD in it then come back and talk to me. 😐
Originally posted by Schecter
but what is that worth besides nothing in terms of cultural pride? "i might be kenyan...but i might not....VIVA KENYA!"
Thats up to you then.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Now I cant be assed to get the references my father is doing a PHD on it when he finshed it you can feel free to argue with him, ok??????? When you do a PHD in it then come back and talk to me. 😐
claiming higher authority/credentials for the win! *applause*
btw, ever consider becoming a law student?
Originally posted by Schecter
claiming higher authority/credentials for the win! *applause*btw, ever consider becoming a law student?
Well your not claming anything your just talking. Ok heres one sources.
Author - Denise Dennis
Periodical name - The New Courier
It states that most of the building built in the french quarter were built by Mandingos. So therefore if you are Black American and you ancestors were slaves from Africa that settled in that region there is a good chance your tribe is Mandingo.
Either you can give me a source that contradicts that or you can shut up.
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=23884&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
This passage also attests to the experience of the Mandingo designer-builders and of the economy and skill with which they worked. It forever repudiates the idea that Africans came to the Americas as unskilled, uncivilized people. Dunn adds, “It has been our experience that many of our visitors think only of African slaves within the context of fieldwork. Hardly ever are they afforded credit for designing, constructing and maintaining such buildings as Laura Plantation, and yes, most of the French Quarter in New Orleans.â€
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
there is a good chance
exactly. as in 'there is also a probablility that you are not mandingo.' this debate is so silly. even if slavery only existed in the french quarter, you still have proven nothing.
:edit: no i will not shut up. cry for me.
:edit 2: also, the passage doesnt allude to the ancestry of all or even most slaves from the NE, only that the designers/builders of certain buildings were mandingo.
It was in response to this post.
Originally posted by Schecter
since its completely vague, as in nonspecific, as in there is more differences between french, irish, german, spanish, italian, etc than you can fit through the grand canyon?
being able to identfiy your tribe is quite specific. It doesnt you just narrow you down to a country but a gorup of pople
Originally posted by Schecter
exactly. as in 'there is also a probablility that you are not mandingo.' this debate is so silly. even if slavery only existed in the french quarter, you still have proven nothing.:edit: no i will not shut up. cry for me.
People have to make educated guessed all the time what most sensible people do is look at the facts and look at the most likely conclusion.
Originally posted by Schecter
most black people in america can only tell you that they are from africa. kind hard to know beyond that if your entire family history and even name was erased. therefor i think it actually is fair that they would be proud of their continent of origin since...what other choice do they have?
You were implying that they had no idea and it was a stab in the dark as to what part of Africa they came from let alone what tribe, that is not true.