correct. now show me where it suggests that all or even most of the slaves in that region were mandingo. in fact show me where it even begins to express the general demographic of slaves in the region. all i see is that some settled slaves in the area of the french quarter were mandingos and also nifty architects.
Originally posted by Schecter
correct. now show me where it suggests that all or even most of the slaves in that region were mandingo. in fact show me where it even begins to express the general demographic of slaves in the region. all i see is that some settled slaves in the area of the french quarter were mandingos and also nifty architects.
Here
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The main house was built by the descendants of the first slaves brought to Louisiana from Senegal in the early 1720s.“
“The method used by the Senegalese builders was similar to what we now call prefabricated.
2.What is the signifficance of Senegal? The significance is that one of the major tribes from that part of Africa are Mandingos.
3. What did you think the bulider did after they finished the bulidings, go to China? Im also assuming that there are fair number of buildings in the french quarter, so there must have been a fair amount of Mandingos.
4. I never stated that its an absolute certainity, what I stated is that you can make a good guess in certain parts of America what tribes certain balck Americans came from. You started this argument implying that they only knew about the continent they came from.
Originally posted by Schecter
most black people in america can only tell you that they are from africa.
You also then implied that they can only tell what part of Africa they came from ie West Africa
Originally posted by Schecter
well wouldnt it be a bit ridiculous for me to express deep pride in being western european?
Incorrect. Furthermore if you look at the article it sepcifies which part of W.Africa they came from, that narrows it down considerably. Mandingo is not the only tribe in West Africa but saying they are from Senegal narrows it down, for example if you ancestors were Senegal you would not be Yoruba because they are from Nigeria
This is my main argument its not just about mandingo.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Also it depands on what part of America you are from, for example apparently alot of blacks that live in New Orleans are Mandingo AND are from certains specific tribes. If you reaserach you can actually find out what tribes went to certain parts of America so that is more specific.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Here1.
The main house was built by the descendants of the first slaves brought to Louisiana from Senegal in the early 1720s.““The method used by the Senegalese builders was similar to what we now call prefabricated.
2.What is the signifficance of Senegal? The significance is that one of the major tribes from that part of Africa are Mandingos.
3. What did you think the bulider did after they finished the bulidings, go to China? Im also assuming that there are fair number of buildings in the french quarter, so there must have been a fair amount of Mandingos.
4. I never stated that its an absolute certainity, what I stated is that you can make a good guess in certain parts of America what tribes certain balck Americans came from. You started this argument implying that they only knew about the continent they came from.
You also then implied that they can only tell what part of Africa they came from ie West Africa
Incorrect. Furthermore if you look at the article it sepcifies which part of W.Africa they came from, that narrows it down considerably. Mandingo is not the only tribe in West Africa but saying they are from Senegal narrows it down, for example if you ancestors were Senegal you would not be Yoruba because they are from Nigeria
*sigh* what part of this:
Originally posted by Schecter
now show me where it suggests that all or even most of the slaves in that region were mandingo. in fact show me where it even begins to express the general demographic of slaves in the region
...is so difficult to comprehend? if you cannot do just that, then your addition of architectual info of the french quarter, however interesting, is completely irrelevant to what you are trying to prove, or rather, prove wrong about my statement that most blacks in america cannot trace their heritage in africa.
unless you address just that, then its just a lot of hot air and a complete waste of time.
Originally posted by Schecter
*sigh* what part of this:...is so difficult to comprehend? if you cannot do just that, then your addition of architectual info of the french quarter, however interesting, is completely irrelevant to what you are trying to prove, or rather, prove wrong about my statement that most blacks in america cannot trace their heritage in africa.
Points 3 and 4
Originally posted by Phantom Zone3. What did you think the bulider did after they finished the bulidings, go to China? Im also assuming that there are fair number of buildings in the french quarter, so there must have been a fair amount of Mandingos.
4. I never stated that its an absolute certainity, what I stated is that you can make a good guess in certain parts of America what tribes certain balck Americans came from. You started this argument implying that they only knew about the continent they came from.
You need alot of people to designand make buildings, therefore its not a stretch to say there were a fair amount of mandingos or tribes from Senegal. 😐
again, you have not proven my statement incorrect. even if, for the sake of argument (and silliness) ALL settled slaves in NE were mandigo, that only constitutes a fraction of slaves brought to america. rather, you have shown me that some settled slaves in NE were notably mandingo and architectually savvy.
you have proven nothing. unless you have any new evidence to support your cause (proving my statement wrong), then you are just on a desperate quest for a win cookie.
as far as narrowing it down to west africa, its pointless and petty nitpicking for the win.
again: "its a confusing issue since the majority of black americans have no traceable heritage as most/all white americans have."
you obviously set out on a mission to prove that statement wrong, so lets see your proof.
Originally posted by Schecter
again, you have not proven my statement incorrect.
Yes I have you stated that they only knew what continet they came from and what part ie W.Africa.
Originally posted by Schecter
even if, for the sake of argument (and silliness) ALL settled slaves in NE were mandigo, that only constitutes a fraction of slaves brought to america. rather, you have shown me that some settled slaves in NE were notably mandingo and architectually savvy.you have proven nothing. unless you have any new evidence to support your cause (proving my statement wrong), then you are just on a desperate quest for a win cookie.
as far as narrowing it down to west africa, its pointless and petty nitpicking for the win.
again: "its a confusing issue since the majority of black americans have no traceable heritage as most/all white americans have."
Its not just about the mandingo its about tribes from Senegal. Sengal is not W.Africa it is part of West Africa. There are specififc tribes that come from Senegal...but to be quite frank the articles seems to mply that the builders were specifically mandingo.
Im going to explain this one more time for you because you are basically wasting my time.
The French Quarter of New Orleans is fairly large. It states that most notably Mandigos and people from Senegal BUILT and designed most of the buildings. Bulding = manpower so there most of have been a fair amount fo them. Am I certain no, but its a good chance. is that simple enough for you?
As for this statement it depends on how you define untraceable
Originally posted by Schecter
again: "its a confusing issue since the [b]majority of black americans have no traceable heritage as most/all white americans have."
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I am refering to these two statements.
Originally posted by Schecter
most black people in america can only tell you that they are from africa.
Wrong depending on what part of America.
Originally posted by Schecter
well wouldnt it be a bit ridiculous for me to express deep pride in being western european? is it fathomable that their cultures are equally diverse in that region?
They dont just neccesarily know what part of Africa but region within that part. Yes its is important because it can identfiy what tribe they came from, different tribes had different affects on history in Africa. ie you are from Senegal you can be Mandingo or Su Su highley unlkely you will be a Yoruba or a Bedouin. Im not claiming superioty but quite frankly I do give a **** about knowing what tribe im from. 😐
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Phantom, go on the street and ask 100 black people what tribe their ancestors are from, and then you'll see Schecter's point.
Am I talking about the street , havnet you listened to anything I just said????? I said...... New Orleans French Quarter. Did I say the street, show me where I said street.
Went completely over your head. The whole bloody point im making is that if you come from that part of America you can narrow it down considerably. Hell you could even find out if if your ancestors were involved in building the houses in the french quarter and you could find out your tribe most likely that way.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Am I talking about the street , havnet you listened to anything I just said????? I said...... New Orleans French Quarter. Did I say the street, show me where I said street.Went completely over your head. The whole bloody point im making is that if you come from that part of America you can narrow it down considerably. Hell you could even find out if if your ancestors were involved in building the houses in the french quarter and you could find out your tribe most likely that way.
Why are you talking about the French Quarter? What the hell is the point?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Why are you talking about the French Quarter? What the hell is the point?
Are you serious. So basically you just came in half way through an argument I dont know the point I was making. The point im making is that in certain parts of America if you are black and you can trace your ancestors to a certain part, ie New Orleans French Quarter you can identify what region of Africa you come from or tribe. With the New Orleans French Quarter it seems to be narrowed down to Mandingo.
If you must now Scheter started off making the point that black Americans only knew they were from Africa, he then started to narrow it down.
Originally posted by Schecter
like i said, your only valid submission to prove my statement incorrect is pointless nitpicking. "WEST africa, not africa!!!11" great. guess you put me in my place.ffs just have your last word and take your internet win cookie. i'm done with you.
LOL ok so being able to trace your anecstors back to Scotland is not having any traceable history, ok? At any rate the article does seem to narrow it down to a specific tribe, even if you want to argue its not representative of demographics if your ancestors were involved in the building and design of the buildings a black American can trace his heritage to the Mandingos
for those who dont feel like reading 2 full pages of pointless nitpicking, dancing, and hot air, here is the initial quote in question (boldface added for emphasis):
Originally posted by Schecter
depends on your motive and definition of pride. if its simply a vanity issue and you feel that white people are just more pretty, then fine. in fact, most people seem to feel that way about their own general skin color/ethnicity. "black is beautiful" is quite a common slogan as we know.if its a matter of feeling that whites are superior, as in the glory of "white america", that is racist.
its a confusing issue since the majority of black americans have no traceable heritage as most/all white americans have. i know that im half italian, half english/german/dutch. i can trace my ancestry back to the colonial years in america and similarly in italy. most black people in america can only tell you that they are from africa. kind hard to know beyond that if your entire family history and even name was erased. therefor i think it actually is fair that they would be proud of their continent of origin since...what other choice do they have?
its a losing battle. now he resorts to distortion and misquoting. just let him have his internet win so he can retire back to his hugbox.
Originally posted by Schecter
its a losing battle. now he resorts to distortion and misquoting. just let him have his internet win so he can retire back to his hugbox.
Actually I take that back.
Originally posted by Schecterits a confusing issue since the majority of black americans have no traceable heritage as most/all white americans have. i know that im half italian, half english/german/dutch. i can trace my ancestry back to the colonial years in america and similarly in italy. most black people in america can only tell you that they are from AFRICA. kind hard to know beyond that if your entire family history and even name was erased. therefor i think it actually is fair that they would be proud of their CONTINENT of origin since...what other choice do they have?
Does that quote not say that you black Americans only know they are from Africa? Isnt that what I just said you said below?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If you must now Scheter started off making the point that black Americans only knew they were from Africa, he then started to narrow it down.
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Im saying that they can at least trace themselves back to what particular region of Africa, and in some particular cases they can be more specfic they wont just know they are from continent.
Originally posted by Impediment
I saw this bulletin floating around MySpace and I thought it was funny, yet a litle bit true:
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.Has anyone noticed recently on some forms your either hispanic or non-hispanic? Whats wrong with those statements???? Read it all before you yell at me, this does not apply to "everyone" who isn't white, but if it does apply to you...think about it!
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey", and you think it's OK.
But when I call you Kike, sand n*gger, rag head , towelhead, wop, camel Jockey, gook, n*gger, slant eyes or chink you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have:
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[*]the United Negro College Fund
[*]Martin Luther King Day
[*]Black History Month.
[*]Cesar Chavez Day.
[*]Yom Hashoah
[*]Ma'uled Al-Nabi
[*]the NAACP.
[*]BET.
[/list]If we had:
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[*]WET (White Entertainment Television)
[*]White Pride Day
[*]White History Month
[*]an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives
[*]a college fund that only gave white students scholarships
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..................we'd be called racists.-In the Million Man March, people believed that they were marching for their race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights.....we would be called racists.
Some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them... they all got sent to court for being racist but the African-American, Latino, and Asian clubs were not even questioned.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when caucasians announce their white pride, they are called racists.
-I am white. I am proud. But you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Now watch, I'll be a racist for posting this
So what? No one else will re-post this for fear of being called racist...
Blame history. Blame history for the current negative association with Whites and White Pride and for the positive aspects of minority empowerment.
White Pride is seen as hateful cause historically, white pride has been associated with racism or the multigenerational hatred towards non-whites (and doing worse) for half a milenia in this country.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Blame history. Blame history for the current negative association with Whites and White Pride and for the positive aspects of minority empowerment.White Pride is seen as hateful cause historically, white pride has been associated with racism or the multigenerational hatred towards non-whites (and doing worse) for half a milenia in this country.
I'd rather blame "The Black Man" for it. See how this works yet?
Originally posted by Schecter
Ok I take it back you did say MOST black people have non-traceable history, if you define that as just knowing they are from W.Africa then fine. I however think that most black Americans can narrow down to a country ie Ghana or Senegal but I cant prove it and I do not consider that non-traceable but not ideal.
I however think that the fact that the designers and builders of New Orleans French Quarter being Mandingo is good evidence that blacks descended from that region were mandingo, I think you were trying to debunk it and I think thats unfair. I also stated that if your ancestors were involved in the building then that was a good indication but you did not address the point. Yeah you did say most black people but we were also talking about specific circumstances and trying to debunk it.