Racism

Originally posted by inimalist

WHY are black people black, and why can I look at a black person who has a lighter skin tone than I and not have a doubt in my mind that they are black?

You can not know that without a doubt because hardly any minority anywhere is of the same, singular race generations down the line. If you wanted to question how different races came about, then that is a valid question worth looking into.

Originally posted by inimalist
racism most probably has genetic roots

Wait wait wait! Are you saying that skin tone is genetic or racism, as in the act or feelings, is genetic?

Originally posted by Schecter
so if its not genetic with hispanics, as it is with whites (so you believe), then would that make hispanics malicious in their racism? i mean, one cannot help racism if its simply genetic.

So i believe? ok.

What would make Hispanics malicious in their racism? The same reason that would make anyone malicious in their racism: Hate. Please tell me you knew that?

Racism may not be genetic but it can be input almost similarly. It can be fostered or grandfathered in, generation after generation within a bloodline and/or a race, as an idea. The idea of racism and its examples can be inherited.

But that is not genetic

Racism is something that's taught, not genetically inherited. It's not a body part that looks similar to your father's, it's an idea taught to you by someone.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

Technologically advanced whites travelled to Africa, Australia and America and found nothing but very primitive non-whites. It is extremely significant when analysing this mindset that the reverse did not happen- Native Africans and Americans and Australians did not journey to Europe to conquer with great guns. People (well, white people) drew the simple conclusion that this was proof of white superiority, and everything we look at about racist issues today stems from that period.

Well Africans did invade Europe but not with big guns. Anyway I guess I agree with that statement, to be honest I think it stems back as far as Rome, but thats my own theory but I have not fully researched it yet. I just think that the Roman imperialistic attitude evolved and affected different civilisations over time.

They didn't conquer, and we did- guns were the reason, really.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
They didn't conquer, and we did- guns were the reason, really.

Er muslims conquering Spain? Muslim army stoped in France by The Francs. Africans being Roman generals and regulary being part of the Roman army. If you want to talk about African history you can talk about Roman history since Africans played a major role in the running of Rome.

The same way France is not part of Canada but I think its correct to say that Canada is part of French history since the French played a major role in shaping how Canada is today.

In fact im pretty sure that southern europe at one point was run by the Moors.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er muslims conquering Spain? Muslim army stoped in France by The Francs. Africans being Roman generals and regulary being part of the Roman army. If you want to talk about African history you can talk about Roman history since Africans played a major role in the running of Rome.

The same way France is not part of Canada but I think its correct to say that Canada is part of French history since the French played a major role in shaping how Canada is today.

In fact im pretty sure that southern europe at one point was run by the Moors.

I think you're reaching just a bit with Africa and Rome being side-by-side... Romans cared and looked out for one group of people; that was the Romans. All others were subordinates, that either followed Roman law, or were crushed.

As far as the Moors, they were more Arabic than black-African... like the Berbers of today; from the [northern part of] African continent.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think you're reaching just a bit with Africa and Rome being side-by-side... Romans cared and looked out for one group of people; that was the Romans.

Yeah and not all Romans were Italian.

Originally posted by Robtard

All others were subordinates, that either followed Roman law, or were crushed.

There were African Emperors, senators, generals..so no im not stretching.

Originally posted by Robtard

As far as the Moors, they were more Arabic than black-African... like the Berbers of today; from the [northern part of] African continent.

Bro how were the moors described? They were described as being dark skinned and having curly hair, which is what I look like and im from W.Africa. The Moors clearly had arab blood in them but they obvoulsy had black african blood in them as well whiich why they were described as having black skin. I dont think the Berbers were the only people classified as Moors. Hell ive seen statues of Moors and they look like me are we gonna get intoa debate about wether they were more arab or black because they obvoulsy must have varied in appearance.

Hell ive got Portugese blood in me so im more Portugese now? 🤨 Hell my father is orginally from Guinea he has said that when he used to go to Harrods he had Arab guys saying salam mailkum. Considering im Mandingo and my ancestors were muslim im pretty sure ive got Arabic blood, so am I more arabic than black now. 🤨

From my understanding most arabs dont have dark skin, so from my understanding the Moors were more black than Arab but obvously must have had some Arab blood in them. Theres no such thing as racial purity.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and not all Romans were Italian.

Or were incorporated into the Roman way of life.

There were African Emperors, senators, generals..so no im not stretching.

Bro how were the moors described? They were described as being dark skinned and having curly hair, which is what I look like and im from W.Africa. The Moors clearly had arab blood in them but they obvoulsy had black african blood in them as well whiich why they were described as having black skin. I dont think the Berbers were the only people classified as Moors. Hell ive seen statues of Moors and they look like me are we gonna get intoa debate about wether they were more arab or black because they obvoulsy must have varied in appearance.

Hell ive got Portugese blood in me so im more Portugese now? 🤨 Hell my father is orginally from Guinea he has said that when he used to go to Harrods he had Arab guys saying salam mailkum. Considering im Mandingo and my ancestors were muslim im pretty sure ive got Arabic blood, so am I more arabic than black now. 🤨

From my understanding most arabs dont have dark skin, so from my understanding the Moors were more black than Arab but obvously must have had some Arab blood in them. Theres no such thing as racial purity.

And "Africans" aren't all black-African... Northern Africans, i.e. Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya etc. are not "black" as say people from Ethiopia or Tanzania; Caucasian South Africans are still considered "Africans" too. I have yet to see/hear about a true "black-African" Roman emperor.

I'm not saying the Moors weren't 'black-African' at all, I'm saying they're not just 'black-Africans', see 'Berbers'. I never mentioned what you were or weren't personally, call yourself whatever you like.

Fibonacci - born Italian but educated in North Africa...

http://people.bath.ac.uk/erc20/whowasfibonacci.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_of_Pisa

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Fibonacci - born Italian but educated in North Africa...

http://people.bath.ac.uk/erc20/whowasfibonacci.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_of_Pisa

Your point?

Originally posted by Robtard
Your point?

people travel and have traveled for some time now, people migrate, studying in North Africa may have been common during his time...

"So Leonardo grew up with a North African education under the Moors and later travelled extensively around the Mediterranean coast. He would have met with many merchants and learned of their systems of doing arithmetic. He soon realised the many advantages of the "Hindu-Arabic" system over all the others. "

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibBio.html

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
people travel and have traveled for some time now

Okay... thanks for that mind-blowing insight. Anything else you'd like to state Cpt. Obvious?

AND NO THIS IS NOT RACIST.........

here's a site to purchase blackamoors jewlery, some are very well crafted and very lovely (i've seen the uglier ones and i don't like ugly models of any kind)...

http://www.webjewels.it/

http://abbey-roads.blogspot.com/2006/11/man-with-blackamoor-on-his-coat.html

i think there is a racial difference b/t a blackamoor and a moor...but they were under the same principle, same education, same army, same argument...not all moors were/are black in color. a blackamoor is a black looking person, but just like the arab-moor, they both were under the same argument/religion. same with muslim, some are black, some asian, some white, and some indian (if you don't think of them as asian)....they are still muslims even though they may resemble people who look like Americans.

when i saw this video on youtube, i thought these ladies were Egyptians, but they are Americans (minority/mixed/hispanic,ect. the begining shows the lead dancer who is cuban...i would have thought her to be of the arab culture simply by the dress and all...so people travel and looks get confused when people mix with each other...). The title says Eyptians, so why wouldn't a person think they are either doing an Eygptian style dress or why would it be odd to assume that they are Eygptian, they all could look like it, but they are from the Americas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w_zaSN68ss

Your point? "Blackamoor" is an all but dead word, it meant any "dark skinned" person way back in the day; it was also used derogatorily.

here's some history from the jewler's site regarding blackamoors, and again, i believe the Moors are all under the same ideology, like Muslims and Catholics, some are black, white, asian, and Indian...so, i feel there is no need to see some pics of blackamoors and say that all moors are or were black....there are often arguments, even when it comes to the syrians as to which did the gods make first?? it's again, a black and white argument. so the issue isn't if there were blackamoors, the issue is "is the original idea and institution" a black one or a white one, in other words, who were the worker bees and who were the masters behind the scene..this is what i feel is the real argument lately on this thread about blackamoors...

here's the info:

"The origins of the blackamoors go back to ancient times, when the Saracen pirates plagued the Dalmatia's coasts. During the Hellenistic age in Fiume (Istria) similar golden earrings with black and white enamel decorations were produced, having a talisman function. During the centuries of the Turkish invasions, the populations of the coasts always wore them and gave them to the churches as thanks for the avoided danger. So the amulet came to Venice, not to exorcise sea attacks, but to represent the enslaved Turkish pirate.

In the course of history we find blackamoors in the Carpaccio representations, as a quiet gondolier with turban and feathers, part of a beautiful lagoonal scenography; and also in a famous novel by Hemingway. "

Originally posted by Robtard
And "Africans" aren't all black-African... Northern Africans, i.e. Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya etc. are not "black" as say people from Ethiopia or Tanzania; Caucasian South Africans are still considered "Africans" too. I have yet to see/hear about a true "black-African" Roman emperor.

I'm not saying the Moors weren't 'black-African' at all, I'm saying they're not just 'black-Africans', see 'Berbers'. I never mentioned what you were or weren't personally, call yourself whatever you like.

Considering that some of my ancestors were Portugese then does that mean im not truly a black african? What do you mean truly black african? Theres no such thing as a true anything.

Your "Blackamoor" spiel is all but irrelevant...

The Moors were Muslim Northern Africans; Northern Africans generally aren't 'black-African' as the Africans to the south. Were there 'black' Moors though? I'm sure there was, as people mix.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Considering that some of my ancestors were Portugese then does that mean im not truly a black african? What do you mean truly black african? Theres no such thing as a true anything.

If you have European blood in your lineage, besides black-African and possibly Arabic, then you'd be a mix, as most people are these days to some degree. Nationally though, you'd be African if you were born in Africa.

Actually, if any one place has people of a non-mixed background, it would be Africa, as that's were modern man evolved and came out of.