Originally posted by RobtardThe Moors were Muslim Northern Africans; Northern Africans generally aren't 'black-African' as the Africans to the south. Were they're 'black'
Yes but thats how they were described as being dark in colour.
Originally posted by Robtard
Moors though? I'm sure they're were as people mix.
This is what im saying everbody is mixed. Im from W.Africa. People consider me to be 'black' but according to your defintion because I have some Portugese blood that makes me not true black african. Mozambique is in South Africa where they speak Swahili part of their language consists of Arabic im sure they are mixed as well.
Everybody is mixed so therefore there are no true black africans. At the end of the day a black person is usually somebody origanlly from Africa who has dark skin and curly hair, his other racial make up is niether here nor there.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you have European blood in your lineage, besides black-African and possibly Arabic, then you'd be a mix, as most people are these days to some degree. Nationally though, you'd be African if you were born in Africa.Actually, if any one place has people of a non-mixed background, it would be Africa, as that's were modern man evolved and came out of.
Yes but im still black by what most people understand by the meaning of being black and like I said before evrbody is mixed so therefore ccording to your defintion there are no true black people.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your "Blackamoor" spiel is all but irrelevant...The Moors were Muslim Northern Africans; Northern Africans generally aren't 'black-African' as the Africans to the south. Were there 'black' Moors though? I'm sure there was, as people mix.
we are saying the same thing, i already know the moors are muslims, but we don't call muslims moors anymore...and just like muslims have so many different races and mixtures, so did the moors (and that doesn't mean that i am saying that they aren't the same religion, as i already know they are the same).
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but thats how they were described as being dark in colour.This is what im saying everbody is mixed. Im from W.Africa. People consider me to be 'black' but according to your defintion because I have some Portugese blood that makes me not true black african. Mozambique is in South Africa where they speak Swahili part of their language consists of Arabic im sure they are mixed as well.
Everybody is mixed so therefore there are no true black africans. At the end of the day a black person is usually somebody origanlly from Africa who has dark skin and curly hair, his other racial make up is niether here nor there.
People consider you "black", because you probably look black. People see me; they think "white boy", because that's what I most closely resemble; I'm Spanish/Italian and I was born in S. America, making me "Latino" by definition. End of the day, does that really mean anything? I doubt it.
Not so sure that everybody is mixed; you're probably right though... like I said, if any single group of people are 'non-mixed', it would have to be somewhere in Africa. Also, wouldn't a group of people who have not mixed with outsiders for many generations then be "pure", for lack of a better word? Think certain parts of China as an example.
Originally posted by AlfheimYes but im still black by what most people understand by the meaning of being black and like I said before evrbody is mixed so therefore ccording to your defintion there are no true black people.
that's bullshit, you are what you say you are based on your culture, if you are into black culture, i don't care what your skin looks like, you are a black person to me and you would be in every aspect of what is being cultivated. if you aren't into black culture, i won't be the one labeling you as black. the only people i've seen who are black are Sudanese. and that's not to make fun of them, that's just the skin tone or color. i doubt you are a black person or skin tone.
Originally posted by Robtard
People consider you "black", because you probably look black. People see me; they think "white boy", because that's what I most closely resemble, I'm Spanish/Italian and was born in S. America, making me "Latino" by definition though. End of the day, does that really mean anything though? I doubt it.Not so sure that everybody is mixed; you're probably right though... like I said, if any single group of people are 'non-mixed', it would have to be somewhere in Africa.
Well ok lets put it this way...ive never seen a true Queen of England. There is no such thing as a true Queen of England. English people have German blood, French blood, Irish blood etc.
At the end of they day to say somebody is not truly black because they have a mix is not an accurate defintion. You even said that the people of the south are not mixed. Considering that people in Mozambique speak Swahili and it is influenced by Arabic it shows you that even people in the south are mixed. Hell did you even know people from Madagasar have oriental blood?
The Moors were described as being dark skinned and having curly hair they were not described as having light skin and straight hair. They were black lets leave it at that or things get too compliacted because in reality it is complicated.
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
that's bullshit, you are what you say you are based on your culture, if you are into black culture, i don't care what your skin looks like, you are a black person to me and you would be in every aspect of what is being cultivated. if you aren't into black culture, i won't be the one labeling you as black. the only people i've seen who are black are Sudanese. and that's not to make fun of them, that's just the skin tone or color. i doubt you are a black person or skin tone.
You know what I mean.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok lets put it this way...ive never seen a true Queen of England. There is no such thing as a true Queen of England. English people have German blood, French blood, Irish blood etc.At the end of they day to say somebody is not truly black because they have a mix is not an accurate defintion. You even said that the people of the south are not mixed. Considering that people in Mozambique speak Swahili and it is influenced by Arabic it shows you that even people in the south are mixed. Hell did you even know people from Madagasar have oriental blood?
The Moors were described as being dark skinned and having curly hair they were not described as having light skin and straight hair. They were black lets leave it at that or things get too compliacted because in reality it is complicated.
No, I never said that, I said that Southern black-African (generally) differ in appearance from Northen Africans, back when we were talking about the Moors. That's because Asians had sea farring ships (or better) before the peoples of Africa; they were the first to populate Madagascar. No, it isn't complicated... look at the current nations that were once "Moor", are they strictly "black"?
Indians [India] can have (very) "dark skin" too, should they be categorized as "black", same as the Moors?
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I never said that, I said that Southern black-African differ in appearance from Northen Africans, back when we were talking about the Moors.
Well first of all im not even sure if thats true because all the pictures ive seen of Moors look like southern black africans and there have been numerous descriptions of them looking like southern black africans. I guess there must have been variation but at the end of the day they were not described as being like for example like Algerians so the evidence indicates they were more black than arab. I dont see how them looking slightly different changes anything.
Scandinvians look different from southeren europeans does that mean there not white? 😕
Originally posted by Robtard
Indians can have (very) "dark skin" too, should they be categorized as black, same as the Moors?
Yeah but they dont have curly hair do they? You get some asians and shave their hair off some of them look black.
Black = Dark skin curly hair
White or Arab = light skin straight hair
Even if you look slighly different your still black if you have dark skin and curly hair.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well first of all im not even sure if thats true because all the pictures ive seen of Moors look like southern black africans and there have been numerous descriptions of them looking like southern black africans. I guess there must have been variation but at the end of the day they were not described as being like for example like Algerians so the evidence indicates they were more black than arab. I dont see how them looking slightly different changes anything.Scandinvians look different from southeren europeans does that mean there not white? 😕
...and as I said, I'm sure there were "black" Moors. I just don't think that they were strictly black, considering the lands they came from.
A Swede looks closer in appearance to an Austrian, than a Libyan compared to a Ethiopian, generally speaking. Seriously, you don't think people from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya etc., do not differ from Southern Africans in appearance and culture?
Originally posted by Alfheim Yeah but they dont have curly hair do they? You get some asians and shave their hair off some of them look black.Black = Dark skin curly hair
White or Arab = light skin straight hair
Even if you look slighly different your still black if you have dark skin and curly hair.
Now it's because of "curly hair"... Many people have curly hair, including some Arabs and "White people".
Originally posted by Robtard
...and as I said, I'm sure there were "black" Moors. I don't think that they were strictly black, considering the lands they came from.
Yes but as we stated before coming from different lands doesnt stop you from being black. The main description of them was of having dark skin, but I admit some of them would have looked arab in appearance.
Originally posted by Robtard
A Swede looks closer in appearance to an Austrian, than a Libyan compared to a Ethiopian, generally speaking.
Yeah but you can still tell the difference and it dont stop them being white. Does it?
Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously, you don't think people from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya etc., do not differ from Southern Africans in appearance and culture?
Yeah ok but as I said before Moors were described as being dark in colour. I already admitted that there must have been variation in appearance but does that mean now that the Moors are not part of black african history?
Originally posted by Robtard
Now it's because of "curly hair"
What you mean "now"? I thought I made it kinda clear people usually regard black people as having dark skin AND curly hair.
Originally posted by Robtard
... Many people have curly hair, including some Arabs and "White people".
Again dark skin AND colour hair.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I never said that, I said that Southern black-African (generally) differ in appearance from Northen Africans, back when we were talking about the Moors. That's because Asians had sea farring ships (or better) before the peoples of Africa; they were the first to populate Madagascar. No, it isn't complicated... look at the current nations that were once "Moor", are they strictly "black"?Indians [India] can have (very) "dark skin" too, should they be categorized as "black", same as the Moors?
omg, is that why some areas in south africa look JUST LIKE ASIANS (BUT SLIGHTLY DARKER), their eye folds is the SAME as certain Asians...wow!!! i could never figure it out. i had a study buddy from Nigeria, and she has a Japanese sounding last name, and I asked her about it and she said she didn't recall why that was so...(how odd, as i know that the educated folks were taught their linerage)..
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
omg, is that why some areas in south africa look JUST LIKE ASIANS (BUT SLIGHTLY DARKER), their eye folds is the SAME as certain Asians...wow!!! i could never figure it out. i had a study buddy from Nigeria, and she has a Japanese sounding last name, and I asked her about it and she said she didn't recall why that was so...(how odd, as i know that the educated folks were taught their linerage)..
Yeah I know.....alot of Nigerian names sound Japanese. Dont know what thats all about.....
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
omg, is that why some areas in south africa look JUST LIKE ASIANS (BUT SLIGHTLY DARKER), their eye folds is the SAME as certain Asians...wow!!! i could never figure it out. i had a study buddy from Nigeria, and she has a Japanese sounding last name, and I asked her about it and she said she didn't recall why that was so...(how odd, as i know that the educated folks were taught their linerage)..
...and as usual, you're an idiot. I already said Caucasian South Africans are still "Africans". It had more to do with Nationality in that case than being of African descent. Uganda has (or had) a large Indian population befoe Idi Amin kicked then out.
Originally posted by Robtard
...and as I said, I'm sure there were "black" Moors. I just don't think that they were strictly black, considering the lands they came from.A Swede looks closer in appearance to an Austrian, than a Libyan compared to a Ethiopian, generally speaking. Seriously, you don't think people from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya etc., do not differ from Southern Africans in appearance and culture?
Now it's because of "curly hair"... Many people have curly hair, including some Arabs and "White people".
well, here's a weird twist, without disagreeing with you...as you are right about "not tanning" is white...but here's the twist...about the swedes thing. Swedes and Ethiopians share a lot of DNA (from what was being reported 10 years ago) and I think moreso then any other black group in Africa, and they do look like dark Swedens (Ethiopians), Australians do not look like swedes at all, they may look white, but they do not have the same small tiny nose and angular face and features shared with both the Sweden and the Ethiopian. matter of fact, it's so widely known about it, that Sweden opened it's boarders to Ethiopians. not all Ethiopians look like Swedes though. Ethiopia is a huge country, and has so many ethics (some of them look like Jews, but with darker skin, i would relate to them as dark Jews before i would relate to them as black Africans, and they MAY share more blood line with the Jews then with blacks or Swedens)...just remember Ethiopia has had a long standing history with Rome and Greece, during the Roman and Greek empires, and also, a standing history with India and Egypt (during the Kushite empire)...so they have been mixing for thousands-and-thousands of years and there are migrations from other parts of Africa to Ethiopia, so some Ethiopians look west African and others don't. i've seen plenty of Africans who have the same nose and angular face as Europeans, but with dark skin, same with Arabs. that's why i try not to just LOOk at a person and call them a race, i want them to tell me what race they identify themselves as, what do they cultivate. i don't tell them what they cultivate, they tell me what they cultivate, and i treat them based on how they present themselves to me (but you know my long standing history with bullying a person, myself or anyone else, into one way or another).
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but as we stated before coming from different lands doesnt stop you from being black. The main description of them was of having dark skin, but I admit some of them would have looked arab in appearance.Yeah but you can still tell the difference and it dont stop them being white. Does it?
Yeah ok but as I said before Moors were described as being dark in colour. I already admitted that there must have been variation in appearance but does that mean now that the Moors are not part of black african history?
What you mean "now"? I thought I made it kinda clear people usually regard black people as having dark skin AND curly hair.
Again dark skin AND colour hair.
I'm sure they had dark skin, as do some Middle Easterners and Northern Africans; but "dark skin" doesn't = black as you like to think it does.
Nice way of dodging the point. Tunisians have "dark skin", are they black-African?
That's what I am saying, Moors were a mix, I'm sure some have dark skin because their bloodline was stronger "black-African" wise, and some where lighter skinned because it wasn't. That doesn't make the Moors "black" though. What does this have to do with "black African History"? They were African, they're part of Africa's history.
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
sorry, about the swedes thing. i would have to disagree with you. Swedes and Ethiopians share more DNA and blood then any other black group in Africa, and they do look like dark Sweden's (Ethiopians), Australians do not look like swedes at all, they may look white, but they do not have the same small tiny nose and angular face and features shared with both the Sweden and the Ethiopian. matter of fact, it's so widely known about it, that Sweden opened it's boarders to Ethiopians. not all Ethiopians look like Swedes though. Ethiopia is a huge country, and has so many ethics (some of them look like Jews, but with darker skin, i would relate to them as dark Jews before i would relate to them as black Africans, and they MAY share more blood line with the Jews then with blacks or Sweden's)...just remember Ethiopia has had a long standing history with Rome and Greece, during the roman and Greek empires, and also, a standing history with India (during the Kushite empire)...so they have been mixing for thousands of years and there are migrations from other parts of Africa to Ethiopia, so some Ethiopians look west Africa's and others don't. i've seen plenty of Africans who have the same nose and angular face as Europeans, but with dark skin, same with Arabs. that's why i try not to just LOOk at a person and call them a race, i want them to tell me what race they identify themselves as, what do they cultivate. i don't tell them what they cultivate, they tell me what they cultivate, and i treat them based on how they present themselves to me (but you know my long standing history with bullying a person, myself or anyone else, into one way or another).
You're dumb... Swedes (i.e. Sweden) are not Africans, and I said "Austrians", not Australians.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm sure they had dark skin, as do some Middle Easterners and Northern Africans; but "dark skin" doesn't = black as you like to think it does.
Again dark skin AND curly hair
Originally posted by Robtard
Nice way of dodging the point. Tunisians have "dark skin", are they black-African?
Dark skin and curly hair....of so yes.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's what I am saying, Moors were a mix, I'm sure some have dark skin because their bloodline was stronger "black-African" wise, and some where lighter skinned because it wasn't. That doesn't make the Moors "black" though.
Yeah it makes some of them black. So maybe we cant say for sure that Macrinus was a black african emperor but since a significant number of Moors were described as being like black african in appearance we can still say:
1. Black Africans played a major part in helping Rome.
2. Black Africans invaded Europe and ruled over southern europe.