Villain Grading Tiers

Originally posted by Master-Borg
no, it is a COMBINATION of how effective someone is AND how important they are (sabretooth isn't as important as DD or Magneto)

.........importance is not the main idea.

it what they set to achieve, do they achieve it and are there achievements known.

your missing the point. ask smurph the maker of the thread who by the way also agrees that sabertooth should remain in A.

Originally posted by SpookySmurph

So, based off of the other comics tiering systems we have around here, I was thinking of a tiering system designed to rank the effectiveness, fame (to an extent), and accomplishments of the various villains throughout comics. This keeps in mind goals of said villains, how often they're stopped, as well as intelligence, and whatnot.

he lists 3 main qualities to consider:

1. effectiveness: Sabretooth is pretty effective, although he's failed many times as well

2. fame: sabretooth is a small-time player, unlike Magneto or Doomsday whose fame is global

3. accomplishments: DD killed Superman, Magneto has been the focal point of many MAJOR events....sabretooth likes to harass Logan and does a good job, but that isn't as impressive an accomplishment as others in A level

so in conclusion, Sabretooth, as well as Cyber and other Logan villains, fall into B category

Originally posted by Master-Borg
he lists 3 main qualities to consider:

1. effectiveness: Sabretooth is pretty effective, although he's failed many times as well

2. fame: sabretooth is a small-time player, unlike Magneto or Doomsday whose fame is global

3. accomplishments: DD killed Superman, Magneto has been the focal point of many MAJOR events....sabretooth likes to harass Logan and does a good job, but that isn't as impressive an accomplishment as others in A level

so in conclusion, Sabretooth, as well as Cyber and other Logan villains, fall into B category

Character Quality
-This included character complexity, tribulations, originality, and overall appeal.

This is to rank as equal criteria against/with:
-Villain Effectiveness
-Capacity for villainous acts
-Fame

Capacity for villainous acts: Sabretooth kills for fun
Effectiveness: For his power level, he's an incredibly efficient killer, and comes out with wins for often than not even against Logan, who should at least beat him via PIS.
Fame: Everybody knows who Sabretooth is, inside comics and out.
Character Quality: Meh... Sabes' failing point.

Since I added the last category, I'm reconsidering my vote.

Yeah, same here with your latest addition....

I can tell you people who still call Wolverine, "X-Man" , so there's little hope to Sabretooh's fame 😐

Originally posted by Capt Spaulding
I can tell you people who still call Wolverine, "X-Man" , so there's little hope to Sabretooh's fame 😐

But, who, by the by, knew Joker existed since they were six. 131

Not a big deal... I'm not going to edit it to say "Everybody except for the few incredibly inept".

I think fame should be how well known they are in their comic universe...not in our world.

for example, even I, a comic fan, have never heard of Ozymandias yet he is a A+ villain.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I think fame should be how well known they are in their comic universe...not in our world.

for example, even I, a comic fan, have never heard of Ozymandias yet he is a A+ villain.

even in comics sabertooth is a world reknowned killer.

pritty much every hero has heard of him.

so in the comic world yes he is extremely known and out of comics he extremely known.

quality wise. well I think he a solid character. crazy, but solid. He has interesting back stories and so forth.

also in sabertooth field he not a small time player. He top of his group when it comes to hired killer/assassins and so forth.

Hammer there is no way you can give agood argument for him to be up with those guys.

Sabertooth B+ for mine. I think an A level villain should have at least a small history with a few different heroes, not just the one.

He created tech to absorb the power of the universes he destroyed...

And this shows .. what ?

He's one of, if not the biggest DC villian...

Power wise ? Yes. Other than that, there's not anything even remotley interesting about him.

Update

Proposals:
Apocalypse to B ... 5 (Master-Borg, Capt. Spaulding, Ash, Switch, Jrod) vs. 1 (Bransolute)
Black Adam to A+ ... 4 (Bran, Switch, V, Jrod) vs. 3 (Smurph, Capt. Spaulding, Master-Borg)
Bullseye to B ... 5(Capt. Spaulding, Switch, masterborg, Jrod,Erik L) v.s 3 (Bran, V, Smurph)
Cassandra Nova to A+... 2 (Jyppe, llagrok) vs 0
Despero for A ... 1 (Jrod) vs. 0
Doctor Octopus to B ... 3 (Capt. Spaulding, Master-borg, Smurph) v.s 0
Eclipso for A+ ... 1 (Jrod) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Exodus for B ... 1 (Erik L) vs. 0
Hulk to A ... 2 (Jyppe, Smurph) vs 4 (Capt. Spaulding,Erik L,Switch,Soljer)
Hush for B ... 2 (Erik L, Capt. Spaulding) vs. 0
Juggernaut to B ... 1 (Master-Borg) vs. 1 (Capt. Spaulding)
Loki to A ... 3 (Bran, Capt Spaulding, llagrok) v.s 0
Luthor to A+ ... 7 (Master-Borg, hugekent, Capt. Spaulding, jrodslam, V , Bran, Jrod) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Major Force to A ... 1 (Jrodslam) vs. 1 (Capt. Spaulding)
Major Force to B ... 1 (Jrodslam) vs. 1 (Capt. Spaulding)
Major Force to C ... 1 (Capt. Spaulding) v.s 1 (Jrodslam)
Malefic for A ... 1 (Maritan) vs. 1 (Smurph)
Maxwell Lord to A ... 3 (Smurph, Soljer, Capt. Spaulding) vs. 0
Mephisto to A+ ... 2 (Maestro, Master-Borg) vs. 3 (Smurph, Capt. Spaulding,Erik L)
Morlun for B ... 4 (Erik L, Niñoaraña, master-borg, Smurph) vs. 1 (Gecko)
Mr. Sinister for A ... 1 (Jrodslam)
Onslaught to A ... 2 (Jyppe, master-borg) vs 3 (Capt. Spaulding, Smurph,Erik L)
Ra's al Ghul to A ... 4 (batdude123, Capt. Spaulding, Master-Borg,Erik L) vs. 0
Red Hood for A ... 2 (Martian Mind,Erik L) vs. 3 (Soljer, Smurph, Capt Spaulding)
Red Skull to A ... 1 (Jrodslam)
Red Skull to B ... 1 (Jrodslam)
Two-Face for B ... 3 (Erik L, Capt. Spaulding, master-Borg) vs. 0
Tyrant to A+ ... 2 (Master-Borg, Bran) vs. 2 (Capt. Spaulding,Erik L)
Xorn to B ... 2 (Jyppe,Erik L) vs 0
Zoom to A ... 2 (Soljer,Erik L) vs. 1 (Gecko)
Zoom to B ... 1 (Gecko) vs. 3 (Soljer, Smurph,Erik L)

Green Goblin.

-Accomplishments: Uh, he has done more THAN any other Spider-man villain. Killed Gwen, planned the clone saga, was the first one to discover Peter's identity, financed many villains (Essentially making them "super"criminals), planned Aunt May's capture, planned Sinister twelve, faked his own death, was responsible for lot of the successor Goblins. Etc there are even more.
-Capacity for villainous acts: The biggest pain in Spidey's flesh, physically pretty much Spidey's equal, created the Goblin weaponary/formula, has been a world wide threat before (Spidey needed Reed's help to defuse the bombs) Is f*cking insane. Spidey's enemy for over 40 years. Owned Wonder Man recently and slaughtered Atlanteans.
-Fame: Everyone knows him, he's iconic. He's the only real Spider-man enemy worth of the tier A, unless some adjustment are made. If Bullseye is tier A, then he is, no doubt.

Jyppe makes a lot of good points there.

He also didn't mention the fact that Goblin f*cked up the love of Spidey's live and impregnated her. That's quite an accomplishment, especially when the two kids came back to kick Spidey's ass later on.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Green Goblin.

[b]-Accomplishments: Uh, he has done more THAN any other Spider-man villain. Killed Gwen, planned the clone saga, was the first one to discover Peter's identity, financed many villains (Essentially making them "super"criminals), planned Aunt May's capture, planned Sinister twelve, faked his own death, was responsible for lot of the successor Goblins. Etc there are even more.
-Capacity for villainous acts: The biggest pain in Spidey's flesh, physically pretty much Spidey's equal, created the Goblin weaponary/formula, has been a world wide threat before (Spidey needed Reed's help to defuse the bombs) Is f*cking insane. Spidey's enemy for over 40 years. Owned Wonder Man recently and slaughtered Atlanteans.
-Fame: Everyone knows him, he's iconic. He's the only real Spider-man enemy worth of the tier A, unless some adjustment are made. If Bullseye is tier A, then he is, no doubt. [/B]

I am defferently reconsidering the Goblin placement.

Goblin should be an A, but the only incorrect statement in that record of his accomplishments is that he's Spidey's equal in a fight. He's not, and hasn't been for a decade or two in their fights. He's Pete's best villian because he's more of a psychological/emotional threat to Pete than a physical one.

Also, reiterating that Shocker needs to be an F.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Goblin should be an A, but the only incorrect statement in that record of his accomplishments is that he's Spidey's equal in a fight. He's not, and hasn't been for a decade or two in their fights. He's Pete's best villian because he's more of a psychological/emotional threat to Pete than a physical one.

Also, reiterating that Shocker needs to be an F.

For Green Goblin - A