Originally posted by Raoul
and yet superman has beaten doomsday...and doomsday is a hell of alot faster than the hulk...
oh, almost forgot. doomday is not faster than hulk. hulk is actually faster and stronger than doomday. plus superman died too when they first fought, hardly a victory in his favor.
doomsday took on the JL with one arm tied behind his back. honestly i think doomsday actually died exhaustion rather than that "one" two handed punch superman managed to get in.
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Can you validate yours?"your quote" (and yet superman has beaten doomsday...
and doomsday is a hell of alot faster than the hulk... )
doomsday has superhuman reflexes... fast enough to tag the flash, wonder woman, orion, and the rest of the league and put them down...
superman himself said that doomsday was fast enough to keep up with him...
superman has actually tried to outrun doomsday and outmaneuver him, only for doomsday to keep up with him...
and superman beat him in superman... superman 185, or thereabouts...
so what does hulk have to bring to the table?
Originally posted by Raoul
doomsday has superhuman reflexes... fast enough to tag the flash, wonder woman, orion, and the rest of the league and put them down...superman himself said that doomsday was fast enough to keep up with him...
superman has actually tried to outrun doomsday and outmaneuver him, only for doomsday to keep up with him...
and superman beat him in superman... superman 185, or thereabouts...
so what does hulk have to bring to the table?
Im glad you said that, Hulk brings to the table a grest deal of speed (not to mention is top speed never been tested) but well say he cannot keep up with Supes, Flash ect.
Now, ask yourself why he would even run?
No need to run because his invounerability alone is enough to stand his ground so running is not really an option.
He would stand toe to toe and trade blows with anything he faces anf don't forget he is also the ONLY other chracter who is able to lift Thors weapon.
True enough, brute strength is not always enough to win a fight but that would also take away %90 of superhoroes fighting abilities now wouldn't it?
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Im glad you said that, Hulk brings to the table a grest deal of speed (not to mention is top speed never been tested) but well say he cannot keep up with Supes, Flash ect.
Now, ask yourself why he would even run?
No need to run because his invounerability alone is enough to stand his ground so running is not really an option.
He would stand toe to toe and trade blows with anything he faces anf don't forget he is also the ONLY other chracter who is able to lift Thors weapon.
True enough, brute strength is not always enough to win a fight but that would also take away %90 of superhoroes fighting abilities now wouldn't it?
i was talking about combat speed, reflexes and such...
Originally posted by jedi90
here after hullk tosses superman into space, superman admits hulk is the strongest he has "EVER" faced. 1999 crossover.
crossovers aren't canon. jla avengers is really the only one with any backing, and even that is iffy at times...
and ftr, superman has said the same thing about thor, doomsday and several others iirc...
Originally posted by Raoul
i was talking about combat speed, reflexes and such...crossovers aren't canon. jla avengers is really the only one with any backing, and even that is iffy at times...
and ftr, superman has said the same thing about thor, doomsday and several others iirc...
To give credit to what you say, Superman way back in the old days could't be beaten. But be honest with yourself. Over the years he has gotten soft and for the original poster to say what he said is atrocious.
Yes I still think hulk would PWN Superman without the aid of readers choice votes because Hulk is a BRAWLER like LOBO. Superman is not a fighter, he's a peacemaker and does not mix it up like a barbarian.
With that mentality, he cannot win a street style fight, Bat Man proved that already and so did Big Barda.
Originally posted by Raoul
i was talking about combat speed, reflexes and such...crossovers aren't canon. jla avengers is really the only one with any backing, and even that is iffy at times...
and ftr, superman has said the same thing about thor, doomsday and several others iirc...
lol, okay. so the only cannon crossovers are the ones where superman wins. mind you in that one superman is resistant to magic ......all of a sudden. 🙄
thor is a magical god, who controls lighting. two things that superman is weak against. thor hit superman with his magic hammer and it barely phased him lol.
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
To give credit to what you say, Superman way back in the old days could't be beaten. But be honest with yourself. Over the years he has gotten soft and for the original poster to say what he said is atrocious.Yes I still think hulk would PWN Superman without the aid of readers choice votes because Hulk is a BRAWLER like LOBO. Superman is not a fighter, he's a peacemaker and does not mix it up like a barbarian.
With that mentality, he cannot win a street style fight, Bat Man proved that already and so did Big Barda.
superman punched himself in the face because he wasnt fast enough to hit luthor.
superman nowdays is pretty uber, he's just more restricted as to what he can be uber at...
Originally posted by jedi90
doesn't need too, in superman's own books he is estimated to lifting around 100,00 tons.
10,000 tons? you can't be serious... he's lifted a hell of alot more than that on more than one occasion...
Originally posted by jedi90
lol, okay. so the only cannon crossovers are the ones where superman wins. mind you in that one superman is resistant to magic ......all of a sudden. 🙄thor is a magical god, who controls lighting. two things that superman is weak against. thor hit superman with his magic hammer and it barely phased him lol.
jla avengers isn't a superman crossover, its a jla one, hence the name, and no, superman isn't weak against lightning.
his magical resistance isn't total, but it has been increased recently, in his own comics...
Originally posted by Raoul
superman punched himself in the face because he wasnt fast enough to hit luthor.10,000 tons? you can't be serious... he's lifted a hell of alot more than that on more than one occasion...
prove it. and i said 100,000 tons.
Originally posted by Raoul
jla avengers isn't a superman crossover, its a jla one, hence the name, and no, superman isn't weak against lightning.his magical resistance isn't total, but it has been increased recently, in his own comics...
Originally posted by jedi90
prove it. and i said 100,000 tons.
no, you didn't.
Originally posted by jedi90
doesn't need too, in superman's own books he is estimated to lifting around 100,00 tons.
superman is weak to lightning. Capt Marvel used it to beat him easily by shouting "shazam" and using the "magical" lightning bolt. try again.
it hurt him because it was magical, not because it was lightning.
i didn't mention who's crossover it was. funny, when superman went up against a thor dopplelanger he lost easy to his magic hammer.
amazing how you didn't post what happened the next time they fought... but that would hurt your argument, wouldn't it?
Originally posted by Raoul
no, you didn't.
if you say so.
Originally posted by Raoulwrong, go read kingdom come again. doesn't matter cause thor can shot magical bolts from his hammer but amazingly superman could with stand it............all of a sudden.
it hurt him because it was magical, not because it was lightning.
Originally posted by Raoul
amazing how you didn't post what happened the next time they fought... but that would hurt your argument, wouldn't it?
no it wouldn't. the point was that superman is very weak against magic and magical weapons. one blow K.O. him. superman only disarmed him in their next meeting. at that point (an issue later) superman tried to excuse his earlier loss to being caught off guard or from being surprised even though they fought face to face charging at each other in the first fight. kinda of like with lobo. 😕
Originally posted by jedi90no it wouldn't. the point was that superman is very weak against magic and magical weapons. one blow K.O. him. superman only disarmed him in their next meeting. at that point (an issue later) superman tried to excuse his earlier loss to being caught off guard or from being surprised even though they fought face to face charging at each other in the first fight. kinda of like with lobo. 😕
Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
To give credit to what you say, Superman way back in the old days could't be beaten. But be honest with yourself. Over the years he has gotten soft and for the original poster to say what he said is atrocious.Yes I still think hulk would PWN Superman without the aid of readers choice votes because Hulk is a BRAWLER like LOBO. Superman is not a fighter, he's a peacemaker and does not mix it up like a barbarian.
With that mentality, he cannot win a street style fight, Bat Man proved that already and so did Big Barda.
Yeah what the OP said was dumb but what you are saying is also dumb. Superman is neither God nor Jobber. Claiming that Superman isn't a fighter/brawler/whatever is just foolish. Look at his fights and notice how far he takes his opponents. Since when was fighting like a barbarian actually useful and the best way to do battle?
If you think that Batman can realistically defeat Superman without plot devices then I have no hope for your logic.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah what the OP said was dumb but what you are saying is also dumb. Superman is neither God nor Jobber. Claiming that Superman isn't a fighter/brawler/whatever is just foolish. Look at his fights and notice how far he takes his opponents. Since when was fighting like a barbarian actually useful and the best way to do battle?If you think that Batman can realistically defeat Superman without plot devices then I have no hope for your logic.
Ok, lets look at the Superman fighting styles then: 1960's he was a (street brawler) and a tough guy throwing punches and smashing heas into walls. About 1980ish he became more like (the get along gang) talking himself out of fights, less punches and more throwing people into water ect.
You see what im geting at here? Superman (nowadays) doesn't go the distance no where near as much as you claim.
I would concur if you had mentioned an early version but not the later.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah what the OP said was dumb but what you are saying is also dumb. Superman is neither God nor Jobber. Claiming that Superman isn't a fighter/brawler/whatever is just foolish. Look at his fights and notice how far he takes his opponents. Since when was fighting like a barbarian actually useful and the best way to do battle?If you think that Batman can realistically defeat Superman without plot devices then I have no hope for your logic.
But to answer your question, Brawling is very useful in a comic fight, that is unless your an Aquaman fan or something.
Trading blows in a fight is much for fun to read about than a gun fight or bow -n- arrow fight now isn't it?
