Sephiroth vs Samus Aran

(Cloud falls in slow-motion through blackness. The only light is from a glowing white sphere in the center of the screen. It pulsates with energy as though it were a beating heart. Cloud continues to fall toward it.)

Li......ght......
A light........
Is this.......
Is this light...... Holy?

(He falls into the light. The scene abruptly changes. The Core of the Planet. In the undulating green glow is a round, red stone structure. It forms tendrils, almost but not quite concealing what is inside- a pulsating white sphere. The structure is surrounded by many smaller stone platforms. The entire party rests unconscious on these. After a moment, Barret stands.)

Barret
"Oww... damn, man!"

(Cloud gets to his feet.)

Cloud
"Barret!?"

(The rest of the party comes to.)

Barret
"What...? So everyone's together again...?"

(Suddenly, a ring of white fire shoots from the center of the sphere. The party is levitated, struggling, into the air.)

"Uuuugh...!!"

(Sephiroth's face flashes in front of the camera for a split second. His theme begins to play as he vanishes, only to reappear, materializing from the center of the sphere.)

Cloud
"...Sephiroth!!"

(Another ring of white fire emanates from the sphere, driving the party further from Sephiroth.)

Barret
"Ugh...! Is this...... the true power of Sephiroth?"

Cid
"My... my body... I can't control my body...... Uuugh!?"

(Sephiroth draws the party nearer with his mental powers, only to torment them with another fire ring.)

Red XIII
"My front legs...... my hind legs...... my tail's about to tear
off!!"

Cait Sith
"This is definitely not good...... He's way outta our league..."

Yuffie
"I, I don't know if I can... go on..."

(The screen flashes and the party spins in the air like toys.)

Tifa
"Cloud... Cloud..."

Cloud
"Ugh... ugh..."

See? Telekinesis.

Originally posted by SHM
See? Telekinesis.

I don't think you understand. This is fairly easy to understand, but it's really going over many people's head.

If he HAS telekinesis, what about the other times? Why does someone with telekinesis somehow avidly avoid using it during fight time?

Samus is in a fight with Sephiroth, not a conversation. If we've seen Sephiroth use it on someone while fighting, we have an understanding of how he uses it in battle. Because frankly, he's never performed it in battle, which makes it fairly plot powers (for people who say Sephrioth's loss is PIS... they sure don't acknowledge this power as PIS)

Thanks fascist for explaining it better than me.

Sorry to everyone else who didn't understand what I was trying to say. My bad.

Look at that ESB, you sure were wrong and that one, as it was me who truly comprehended what he was trying to say. Now when do you plan on improving your reading skills?

If he HAS telekinesis, what about the other times? Why does someone with telekinesis somehow avidly avoid using it during fight time?

Why do you Samus fanboys have such a hard time understanding that Sephiroth is arrogant, especially when he fights Cloud, and holds back to amuse himself?The reason he doesn't use his telekinesis a lot is because he wants to amuse himself by giving Cloud a shot at victory. He didn't use it against Genesis because he didn't have it before Nibelheim, he did use it against the party in FF VII, he didn't use it in the final battle because it was a spiritual battle, and he was about to kill Cloud anyways.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
That statement right there just proves that you are nothing more then a Sephiroth fanboy. So are you saying Sephiroth can do Cid's Limit Breaks such as Highwind? He can do Barret's Limit Breaks such as Big Shot? Tifa's Limit Breaks such as Dolphin Kick? Red XIII's Limit Break such as Howling Moon?

Vincent's Limit Break such as Chaos? Cait Sith's Limit Break such as Dice Roll? Yuffie's Limit Breaks such as All Creation? Aerith's Limit Break such as Great Gospel? Cloud's Limit Break such as Finishing Blow?

Congrats you have shown us all that you are an ultimate fanboy who is so obessed with Sephiroth that he cannot accpet the fact that Cloud defeated him (twice now) and that Chaos Vincent managed to do something that Sephiroth can't do and thus you have to try come up with some big idea that would explain that Sephiroth would be able to do it. He'll let me explain this to you:

Just because Vincent or any other character ever can do something doesn't mean Sephiroth can do it. Sephiroth is not omnipotent or else he would have easily countered Cloud's omnislash with little ease.

By 'every limit break' I would assume SHM means the ones lacking a realistic explanation. Ie : Big shot relies on technology , Dolphin kick is a Martial Art technique . However how can one explain Blade-beam ?

Mako

Which in turn is life-stream...which Sephiroth can control.

Game. Set . Match.

If Sephiroth had obliterated the party with his telekinesis, vastly superior speed and shitload of powers we wouldn't have a fricking " good" ending for ****'s sake. dur

LoL. He wants to see how Sephiroth uses the telekinesis in battle...ROFL. Isn't that a good enough example? There wasn't even a fight until Sephiroth stopped using Telekinesis on the entire party.

I'm effectively bowing out of this debate. Seriously, all it's turning into is excuses as to why Sephiroth didn't do something, but apparently, he's doing it here. Let's run down the list of things that supports, by the Sephites, why he wins.

1. He has telekinesis. Telekinesis on the level of Jesus Cable or X-Man. He can explode heads, rape minds, move planets, create thoughtfields, toss people into suns, and close black holes... all with his mental powers that never did more than collapse a segment of a building already broken down, and held up characters in the middle of the planet (who, mind you, were able to get into formation despite being held in place). Samus cannot hope to stand a chance against that level of psionics.

2. He can phase his Masamune through her with powers given to him from his fake mother or he can break her visors with an attack much weaker than anything that's ever not broken it.

3. He's in composite mode, while Samus is in her weakest form. Sephiroth is in pseudo god mode, prequel mode, and sequel mode. Hell, he was, at one point, in non-canon Kingdom Hearts mode.

4. He is a god, therefore he wins by default. Despite this god never winning over any mortal in his verse by default, he's winning this fight by default because he's a god. Surprisingly, he's never acquired godhood even in his own verse, yet he's miraculously one in this fight.

Dragging this along further when Sephiroth has been given every advantage (even some he's never had *cough* phasing *cough*), would be asinine.

Though I see you're reluctant to admit you being wrong, I'm glad to see you leaving a debate you've clearly lost. Good job on that, now just work on admitting defeat.

Stfu dude. You guys are hyping Seph higher than he has ever been. He wins, but the shit you guys are saying is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Keollyn
I'm effectively bowing out of this debate.

Good. It is obvious to everyone here that your knoweledge about FFVII's universe is very poor. And you are too aggressive.

Stfu dude. You guys are hyping Seph higher than he has ever been. He wins, but the shit you guys are saying is ridiculous.

Since when are feats shown to us in a character's games and movies, and quotes from a character's creators ridiculous?

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Since when are feats shown to us in a character's games and movies, and quotes from a character's creators ridiculous?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Forgot to say this was Prime's Samus.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

A stab through the visor should do the trick. dur

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Intangibility.

Originally posted by Terryc250
SEPHIROTH HAS JENOVAS POWERS, do u understand?

HE TOOK OVER JENOVA

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

When he phases through the ground he is wielding the masamune. duriroll And Sephiroth does not need to fit inside the barrier. He simply phases the masamune in and makes it solid. Dead Samus.

Oh...and Sephiroth materialized the masamune out of thin air in Advent Children.

Food for thought.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
So Sephiroth controlling Jenova's body to do his will in the world of the living is not Sephiroth? So let me guess...Sephiroth in advent children is not Sephiroth. Its just Jenova's head.

Denial is bad.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
1. He's freakin Sephiroth, a god isn't going to have a hard time getting through a mere shield. If anything one hit would completely destroy it, he certainly has the force to do that.

2. Once again, he's a god. He can teleport and move too fast to be seen in his weakest form, Samus' weapons and attacks are slow and silly jokes to him.

3. He's not intangible, but she's be dead before she could hope to hit him. Even then if she miraculously could hit him, her attacks would tickle Seph.

Originally posted by shin_gear
AC Sephiroth cannot bleed or die. This is explained by these facts:

1. He didn't bleed or get wounded by Omnislash.

2. His existence is unperishable, so he can't die and is immortal.

As I said earlier, if Sephiroth was going all out on Samus then he'd simply use his telekinesis to null any and all of her attacks against him, or he'd simply immobilize her and strip her. He made a building collapse with his mind ffs. 😬

Nevermind his spells (Firaga, Blizzaga, Thundaga, Stopga, Pale Horse which inflicts ever known status in the VII verse) and his Supernova which would vaporize Samus.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

Sephiroth's creators say he is a god, therefore he is a god and the statement holds more weight than your unsubstantiated opinion. Samus is a mortal, therefore she is clearly disadvantaged.

If weak little aliens can hurt Samus, Sephiroth would bisect her with one cut.

And that's just up to page five. I didn't even get to the "lol bugs" thing , the visors/eye poke or Chaos/Weapon/Weiss = Sephiroth.

So it's really good to see that all of what I said in my bowing out post actually had sources. What? You thought I was making this stuff up?

"It came from somewhere" Part 2

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

Have you ever even seen what Sephiroth looks like? You clearly know nothing about him. He is stronger than the entire planets combined spirit energy, he prevents death with nothing but willpower. Samus' power beam is a flashlight to Sephiroth, her screw attack is not capable of hurting him at all, and he could take 100 power bombs and be not be fazed.

Originally posted by Terryc250
YouTube video

Looks like little creatures to me, and these things are able to harm Samus, and even kill her.. and u say Sephiroths sword cant go through her barrier? Rofl!

Some people just lack common sense

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

And Sephiroth > any tech period. A divine being is above what mortals can make silly.

Most of the above post had to do with how cement makes the hardest substance known to man...

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth's is instant death for anyone who isn't Sephiroth.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

Sephiroth is a god silly. His creators said he was, he is stronger than the actual godess in the series, performs feats only divine beings could accomplish, and he even has music called "birth of a god." Calling Sephiroth anything less than divine shows a clear lack of knowledge of the character.

Originally posted by Terryc250

AC Sephiroth has the power of the lifestream.. which is a powerful feat, basically hes a being, that has control over all of the dead souls on earth, more powerful then the goddess of gaia herself, more powerful then the WEAPONs, more powerful then Chaos, and Weiss who can move at the blink of an eye, and do nuke bomb level damage, if he hadnt been stopped he would have used Earth as a vessel and raid other planets, he wouldve became more then a planetary threat, how can u even compare Samus to that?

Its not us who is "wanking" Sephiroth, we're just trying to get you to understand the truth, but you seem to be too obsessed or in love with Samus that you cannot admit it. Its not us, its you.

Originally posted by Terryc250

We havent seen Sephiroth even exhert himself, Chaos being able to do that kind of damage, and Sephiroth > Chaos and put that together genius.

and please dont try to tell me that the words of the creators are wrong, and ur words are right.

Sephiroth has Jenovas powers. The thing is that, Samus is NOT Cloud, Sephiroth wont even have anything to say to her, he'll just chop her down within a second.

Originally posted by shin_gear

One other way Sephiroth could win this is by breaking Samus' visor and scraping her eyes, so the whole Sephiroth will not be able to slice Samus' armor prediction is moot as he can just damage her visor, which, happen to shield her eyes. They can break. I've seen it happen in Metroid Prime. *Samus dies, her visor is cracked*.

Shin is a confused person. It keeps saying "Sephiroth is being overrated" and then goes around and does the same.

Originally posted by SHM
Actually... It does mean that. You have to remember that everything a character can do in FFVII, is because of the Lifestream. With exception of Jenova, [B]everything is connected to it. So if Sephiroth can controll it, and is stated as being equal to the goddess of the Lifestream/planet, then he can do anything the Lifestream(and the other characters) can.

Sephiroth and Minerva controlls the source of... Everything in FFVII. [/B]

Looking at it... the majority of it came from fascistcrusade. Is he the resident troll?

If you were a women I'd totally make a sexist pass at you. Just for your sheer badassery. *wanks*

And I'm the resident troll.

I'm going to ask this question to people who have displayed the actual ability to think. V2D, Keollyn, and BH please read what V2D says and then in your own words say what SHM's response was just to just to explain to fascist the common understanding of the English language and not fanboyism.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Okay...one thing I must say, just because a weaker character can do sumthin, doesn't mean Seph can do the things said weaker character can.

Originally posted by SHM
Actually... It does mean that. You have to remember that everything a character can do in FFVII, is because of the Lifestream. With exception of Jenova, [B]everything is connected to it. So if Sephiroth can controll it, and is stated as being equal to the goddess of the Lifestream/planet, then he can do anything the Lifestream(and the other characters) can.

Sephiroth and Minerva controlls the source of... Everything in FFVII. [/B]

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Why do you Samus fanboys

We're Samus fanboys? Why because we don't automatically jump to the conclusion that Sephiroth is this all powerful and all knowing god that can do whatever he desires expect win a fight? He can phase through things; yeah just like he did with Cloud's omnislash both times.

He can use TK to control people; yeah like how he stopped Cloud from killing him. Sephiroth cannot die! Then what happened at the end of Advent Children and FF7? Well Sephiroth is stronger then the entire planet's combined spirit energy and prevents death with nothing but his will power...yep he prevents deaths alright; all but his own.

Are you actually telling me that Sephiroth is this powerful and yet when he was pushed against the corner (Cloud's omnislash) he couldn't even defend himself? If Sephiroth was as powerful as you claimed he would have easily countered that attacked with ease and yet Sephiroth was pushed against a corner and was powerless to stop Cloud.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
I'm going to ask this question to people who have displayed the actual ability to think. V2D, Keollyn, and BH please read what V2D says and then in your own words say what SHM's response was just to just to explain to fascist the common understanding of the English language and not fanboyism.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It's bullshit. All of it. No proof, AT ALL.

What? That you display the ability to think?

* Here's to hoping Keollyn isn't a dude*

Originally posted by ESB -1138
What? That you display the ability to think?