Sephiroth is being overrated, no offense. I'm not sure if anyone has implied this or not but, it isn't known for a fact that he can take the life of every living thing with the negative lifestream although I think he can...now. As for his speed, first video shows him flying at around the speed of sound when he charged Genesis in the air. Someone said he moves damn fast in Crisis Core during the fight in some lab with Zack (or something like that I'm not sure, I wan't to see the video again).
Telekenesis (the ability he used to collapse the Shinra tower with his mind) will affect Samus regardless of how many energy shields she has, and if we're going to use gameplay abilities in Metroid, we're using gameplay abilities in FFVII. Sephiroth can cast a magical barrier (Wall).
Originally posted by ESB -1138
You want feats? She defeated Kraid, Ridley, Meta-Ridley, Omega-Ridley, Mecha-Ridley, Metroid Prime, Omega Metroid, Mother Brain (twice), Dark Samus (twice), Metroid Prime, Corrupted Aurora Unit, SA-X, Metroid Queen, Kanden, Spire, Trace, Noxus, Sylux, Weavel, Gorea, Ghor, Rundas, Gandrayda, hundreds of Space Pirates, and hundreds of Metroids plus much, much more.Not to mention she was trained by the Chozo since birth.
List some real feats, tell me what she is capable of, i dont even know who half those people are, for all i know those people arent even impressive
Originally posted by shin_gear
Telekenesis (the ability he used to collapse the Shinra tower with his mind) will affect Samus regardless of how many energy shields she has, and if we're going to use gameplay abilities in Metroid, we're using gameplay abilities in FFVII. Sephiroth can cast a magical barrier (Wall).
This magically gained telekinesis that people say he has (never incorporated it, but suddenly people say he has it because a building he was cutting up fell) will do what seriously? Telekinesis is moving objects with your mind. Moving Samus will do what?
Gameplay abilities for Metroid? And what is gameplay ability about a power suit and modules?
When did Sephiroth ever have wall?
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
You've been firing off all sorts of Final Fantasy characters that no one's heard of.
This magically gained telekinesis that people say he has (never incorporated it, but suddenly people say he has it because a building he was cutting up fell) will do what seriously? Telekinesis is moving objects with your mind. Moving Samus will do what?
He does have telekinesis, he waved his hand and the top part of the building(where his sword never swiped once) came collapsing down. He also picks up the entire party in FF VII and start moving them around telekinetically. Sephiroth having TK is an undisputable fact.
When did Sephiroth ever have wall?
He casts it during the fight against Safer.
Originally posted by KeollynHave you watched Advent Children?
This magically gained telekinesis that people say he has (never incorporated it, but suddenly people say he has it because a building he was cutting up fell) will do what seriously? Telekinesis is moving objects with your mind. Moving Samus will do what?Gameplay abilities for Metroid? And what is gameplay ability about a power suit and modules?
When did Sephiroth ever have wall?
Before the building was being cut up (Only the pieces that were in Cloud and Sephiroth's way were cut) the building fell right after being completely unharmed by Sephiroth's TK. What will that do to Samus? For one thing that'll immobolize her from doing anything 😬. This is one of several ways that Sephiroth would take this fight.
When I said gameplay abilities I meant things like Samus' bomb, beams, shields, screw attack etc. that are only shown in gameplay (not saying all are only shown in that, I haven't seen shields and screw attack in cutscenes to this point) What you said is like asking what does gameplay abilities have to do with having spells.
Sephiroth had Wall (which is a spell) in FFVII.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Have you watched Advent Children?
Yes.
Have you played Metroid?
Before the building was being cut up (Only the pieces that were in Cloud and Sephiroth's way were cut) the building fell right after being completely unharmed by Sephiroth's TK.
I'll wait for an actual instance of Sephiroth moving something with his mind. Once you provide that feat, your theory of telekinesis being involved when buildings crumble will be more than just a theory.
What will that do to Samus? For one thing that'll immobolize her from doing anything 😬.
Immobilize? Like he did Cloud?
This is one of several ways that Sephiroth would take this fight.
One of the several ways? I'd love to hear the others...
When I said gameplay abilities I meant things like Samus' bomb, beams, shields, screw attack etc. that are only shown in gameplay (not saying all are only shown in that, I haven't seen shields and screw attack in cutscenes to this point) What you said is like asking what does gameplay abilities have to do with having spells.
And weaponry and equipment is treated as gameplay abilities when?
So I suppose her power suit is gameplay, eh?
Sephiroth had Wall (which is a spell) in FFVII.
So once again, this is composite Sephiroth, huh? Because I didn't see any wall casted in his fight with Cloud. So I'm going to refer to composite Samus from now on.
That means Samus has weapons that phase through objects. Wall is pretty much useless now.
P.S. I know wall is a spell. I know he's not walking around with an actual wall ~_~
Originally posted by Keollyn
Yes.Have you played Metroid?
I'll wait for an actual instance of Sephiroth moving something with his mind. Once you provide that feat, your theory of telekinesis being involved when buildings crumble will be more than just a theory.
Immobilize? Like he did Cloud?
One of the several ways? I'd love to hear the others...
And weaponry and equipment is treated as gameplay abilities when?
So I suppose her power suit is gameplay, eh?
So once again, this is composite Sephiroth, huh? Because I didn't see any wall casted in his fight with Cloud. So I'm going to refer to composite Samus from now on.
That means Samus has weapons that phase through objects. Wall is pretty much useless now.
P.S. I know wall is a spell. I know he's not walking around with an actual wall ~_~
In FFVII Sephiroth lifts up all the party members with TK, stop using Cloud as an example its clear he was toying around with him, and even states in the ultimania that Sephiroth did not exhert himself, it was pure PIS at its best, the only way Samus has a chance of winning this is if she dressed up like Cloud
^Pretty much.
Also why was I being asked if I played Metroid. I asked him if he watched AC because apparently he didn't know about Sephiroth having telekinesis. An instance was mentioned in the post above me. Collapsing a skyscraper with the use of the mind is also a feat involving telekinesis, so, wtf? 😬
Also please don't use Cloud in this situation. The creators themselves stated Sephiroth was toying with his arse during the entire fight and could've killed him easily in a matter of seconds.
One other way Sephiroth could win this is by breaking Samus' visor and scraping her eyes, so the whole Sephiroth will not be able to slice Samus' armor prediction is moot as he can just damage her visor, which, happen to shield her eyes. They can break. I've seen it happen in Metroid Prime. *Samus dies, her visor is cracked*.
Gameplay abilities. What I mean by that is abilities that have only been demonstrated in-game. It's not that hard to figure out what I said earlier. It isn't like I'm saying those abilities only exist while you're playing and not in the story. You said something earlier about Sephiroth's spells only being gameplay when that would also mean Samus' abilities are also just that, but they're not. They're things that they have and can use. As for this being composite Sephiroth, I'm not sure. All we can conclude from is the videos in the opening post, but, even if this did not discuss Safer Sephiroth, I would still put my money on Sephiroth nonetheless.
Originally posted by Terryc250
In FFVII Sephiroth lifts up all the party members with TK
So floating characters that can still move, and still attempt attacks is psychokinesis? If that's what you believe, that's some extremely weak level psychokinesis. Couldn't even keep them "immobilized"
And then there's the fact that he's never used it on an opponent(Cloud, Genesis/Angel, Cloud and.co), but magically, this questionable ability is being used on Samus.
I suppose since I never seen Samus get sliced through by a sword, that she's not going to here.
Oh wait...
stop using Cloud as an example its clear he was toying around with him, and even states in the ultimania that Sephiroth did not exhert himself, it was pure PIS at its best, the only way Samus has a chance of winning this is if she dressed up like Cloud
So who am I supposed to use for reference? Cait Sith?
He fought Cloud. Therefore Cloud is someone who's name is going to be brought up. Toying around or not, you can use your abilities and still toy around.
Remove his sword from his hand, drop him on the ground, toss debris at him (rather than cutting it). None of this was performed by Sephiroth, the god psychic.
And why would Samus need to look like Cloud? She has no need to depower herself for this fight (I agree that it would be fairer if she was as weak as Cloud... Sephiroth might have a chance then)
Originally posted by shin_gearAlso why was I being asked if I played Metroid.
Because "several ways to beat her" points to an apparent "No"
I asked him if he watched AC because apparently he didn't know about Sephiroth having telekinesis.
I asked because he doesn't. It's like his phasing/intangibility. Something he doesn't have, but he's randomly given during this match. You have to ask this question when "never had before" abilities sprout up.
An instance was mentioned in the post above me. Collapsing a skyscraper with the use of the mind is also a feat involving telekinesis, so, wtf? 😬
Yet he didn't. He didn't collapse anything with his mind. What part of this is hard to understand?
Also please don't use Cloud in this situation. The creators themselves stated Sephiroth was toying with his arse during the entire fight and could've killed him easily in a matter of seconds.
I'd love to know where I'm supposed to get displayed feats from if I don't use his fight with Cloud.
Against Genesis and Angel? That's even worse. All I saw was more "I swing my sword"
For someone with psychokinesis, he sure doesn't know how to use it.
One other way Sephiroth could win this is by breaking Samus' visor and scraping her eyes
Lol.
He breaks visors that can withstand lava and hyper beams. That's funny.
so the whole Sephiroth will not be able to slice Samus' armor prediction is moot as he can just damage her visor, which, happen to shield her eyes.
You must really think that attacks somehow bypass her visors in metroid.
Yeah, and I was right in asking if you played it.
They can break. I've seen it happen in Metroid Prime. *Samus dies, her visor is cracked*.
Samus hasn't died. So you haven't played Metroid.
Gameplay abilities. What I mean by that is abilities that have only been demonstrated in-game.
Anything that happens in a game is "in game"
Duh.
It's not that hard to figure out what I said earlier. It isn't like I'm saying those abilities only exist while you're playing and not in the story. You said something earlier about Sephiroth's spells only being gameplay when that would also mean Samus' abilities are also just that, but they're not.
Quote me please, because I never said this. But I do know that Sephiroth's spells are only when he's in composite mode. AC Sephiroth had no spells, CC Sephiroth had no spells (from what i've seen). They're far more gameplay than Samus' power suit (unless equipment, like Sephiroth's sword, is gameplay)
They're things that they have and can use. As for this being composite Sephiroth, I'm not sure. All we can conclude from is the videos in the opening post, but, even if this did not discuss Safer Sephiroth, I would still put my money on Sephiroth nonetheless.
Do you know what composite mean? You've been treating Sephiroth as such and yet you don't know.
Well, it appears you and the other Sephirothites are really coming down with weaker arguments each post.
1. Psychokinesis that has never immobilized an opponent, but magically does in this battle.
2. Cutting through visors and her eyes when things much more powerful couldn't.
That's it. That's pretty much the "several ways to beat Samus" that you guys came up with. I can see how you came to that conclusion.
Originally posted by KeollynAc sephiroth had no spells? Why are you assuming this? Because he doesn't demonstrate any spells?Quote me please, because I never said this. But I do know that Sephiroth's spells are only when he's in composite mode. AC Sephiroth had no spells, CC Sephiroth had no spells (from what i've seen). They're far more gameplay than Samus' power suit (unless equipment, like Sephiroth's sword, is gameplay)
"Zomg he didnt demonstrate any spells means he has no spells" = horrible logic