Sephiroth vs Samus Aran

"High Herald Hellsing Alucard" beats them both.

But yeah....

This forum is just weird at times.

Originally posted by ESB -1138

The man behind Advent Children said that was "like" a negative lifestream not was a negative lifestream. Reading is fun. [/B]

ROFL, doesnt say "like" at all genius, reading sure is fun.

[B]Sephiroth isn't on Cloud's level; he's above Cloud but the thing is you claim he's way stronger then he truly is. If he was as strong as YOU say he is he would have been able to counter Cloud's omnislash with ease but he was powerless to do so.

I'm sorry what materia did Sephiroth have? None. Okay then.

You people seem to draw all your feats of Sephiroth from just AC.... And yes it was negative life stream (ok its a stream comprised of "negative lives" what else do you want to call it. the thread does not state simply AC Sephiroth, just Sephiroth. TK is physical movement of objects with your mind right? Anyone recall what he's doing to your party right before the final battle? of course not cause half of you are making your arguments without ever playing FF7 and only are going off wikipedia and maybe AC. He can also errect a huge shield arround himself (remember the thing that they needed the sister ray to get rid of which is actually the life stream as a weapon), turn in tangible (rise through floor in ship b4 u face Jenova birth + temple of ancients), teleport (Temple of ancients + KH although KH isnt exactly canon), has non materia based magic (deen, pale horse, stigma, shadow flare, fallen angel, supernova: although not taken litterally due to able to use more than one, ultima: via Jenova, comet 2), strong enough telepathy to control the WEAPON's which originally where suppose to be AGAINST Jenova to the point where they actually where defending him/ caring out his will (Ultima attacks town where cloud is in and Diamond attempts to block sister ray to protect shield and Sapphire attempts to destroy the weapon capable of destroying his shield, Ruby and Emerald are added only in the american version and thus are non canon but can be assumed under his control/ at least influence like others), change peoples appearances voices and memories, create illusions. And even without merging with Jenova, his sword slash shockwave alone cleaves through the sister ray which would mean its at least several hundred tons of pressure with just the slashes shockwave which (while maybe not cleaving her inhalf) would at least knock her out or significantly wind her in which its an easy kill at that point... not to mention fly.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Its called a stronger person fooling around then being caught by the element of surprise, happens often in fiction.

And yet you call Sephiroth so powerful he has TK, can do all these powerful things, can phase through whatever he feels like, and all this other BS and yet he still lost. Congrats. Sephiroth is strong but you are making it sound like he is freaking god. Thing is if Sephiroth was as strong as you claimed he wouldn't have lost whether he was fooling around or not.

Originally posted by Terryc250
IWhy r u so sure he had none? Who knows? He got his equipment back, his sword, clothes etc, maybe he got back his original materia.

And what materia did you see him use in Advent Children besides the getting WTFpwned by Omnislash materia?

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
strong enough telepathy to control the WEAPON's which originally where suppose to be AGAINST Jenova to the point where they actually where defending him/ caring out his will (Ultima attacks town where cloud is in and Diamond attempts to block sister ray to protect shield and Sapphire attempts to destroy the weapon capable of destroying his shield, Ruby and Emerald are added only in the american version and thus are non canon but can be assumed under his control/ at least influence like others),

He didn't control the WEAPONs. It was said ingame that Sephiroth made that barrier to keep the WEAPONs from detacting him. The WEAPONs were destroying everything that posed a threat to the planet and Midgar was one of them.

Sephiroth made that barrier to keep the WEAPONs from finding him.

Do u remember it Diamond weapon sensed the cannon was going to fire AT Sephiroth/ the barrier and thus moved itself in the way of the cannons shot? Now why would it do that unless it was at least manipulated in some way? The sister ray's shot is comprised of the life stream and thus its attack is similar to the weapon itself. It would recognize it as another strong lifestream based force like itself if any if it wasnt manipulated, and i hate it when people only adress part of argument. Perhaps they would have attacked Sephiroth if they coudl detect him, but they are being manipulated by Sephiroth to do so other wise. Once the barrier is down, how come ultima weapon isnt flying over to Sephiroth instead of hovering over the all other HUMAN populated locations in preparation to fire.... Doesnt Sephiroth want revenge on the human race and the planet? The weapons didnt attack humans or cetra when they first where created....

Edit: Omnislash isnt materia.... It was stated Sephiroth was the strongest FF7 character and the only thing strong enough to stop him is himself. Cloud is a failed "Clone" of Sephiroth but still has some of Sephiroths traits hence why Sephiroth seems to have an affinity with Cloud through out the game even though he has many other "clones" to go to. Being the closest clone to sephiroth, he has some traits of Sephiroth: one being in periods of critical emotional states, he is able to tap into some of Sephiroths strength making him strong enough to hurt Sephiroth himself. Why do u think Zack has all the limit breaks of Cloud but Omnislash. Being close friends and a idol of Cloud, Zack taught cloud the techniques he knew, but Omnislash was something developed out of Sephiroths power, not Clouds own.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
You people seem to draw all your feats of Sephiroth from just AC.... And yes it was negative life stream (ok its a stream comprised of "negative lives" what else do you want to call it. the thread does not state simply AC Sephiroth, just Sephiroth. TK is physical movement of objects with your mind right? Anyone recall what he's doing to your party right before the final battle? of course not cause half of you are making your arguments without ever playing FF7 and only are going off wikipedia and maybe AC. He can also errect a huge shield arround himself (remember the thing that they needed the sister ray to get rid of which is actually the life stream as a weapon), turn in tangible (rise through floor in ship b4 u face Jenova birth + temple of ancients), teleport (Temple of ancients + KH although KH isnt exactly canon), has non materia based magic (deen, pale horse, stigma, shadow flare, fallen angel, supernova: although not taken litterally due to able to use more than one, ultima: via Jenova, comet 2), strong enough telepathy to control the WEAPON's which originally where suppose to be AGAINST Jenova to the point where they actually where defending him/ caring out his will (Ultima attacks town where cloud is in and Diamond attempts to block sister ray to protect shield and Sapphire attempts to destroy the weapon capable of destroying his shield, Ruby and Emerald are added only in the american version and thus are non canon but can be assumed under his control/ at least influence like others), change peoples appearances voices and memories, create illusions. And even without merging with Jenova, his sword slash shockwave alone cleaves through the sister ray which would mean its at least several hundred tons of pressure with just the slashes shockwave which (while maybe not cleaving her inhalf) would at least knock her out or significantly wind her in which its an easy kill at that point... not to mention fly.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
And yet you call Sephiroth so powerful he has TK, can do all these powerful things, can phase through whatever he feels like, and all this other BS and yet he still lost. Congrats. Sephiroth is strong but you are making it sound like he is freaking god. Thing is if Sephiroth was as strong as you claimed he wouldn't have lost whether he was fooling around or not.

And what materia did you see him use in Advent Children besides the getting WTFpwned by Omnislash materia?

He wouldnt have lost either if he decided to stab about 15 cm to the right, he wouldve killed Cloud while he was fooling around, but he decided he should talk more. But like i said, all you guys can bring up is how he lost to Cloud which is pure PIS, Cloud is the main character, do u expect Sephiroth to win? He'll obviously lose somehow.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
We have played FFVII. Post the thing of him using TK in the game, I can't remember it. People act like he can use the shield in any form he wants, did he make one? Yeah, but that does not mean that he can make a shield that is battle usable, and it sure as hell isn't instant. I get REALLY pissed off when they give Sephiroth powers he hasn't used, the Seph that tele'd and was intangible, WASN'T SEPHIROTH AT ALL! His non materia based spells are only usable in Safer mode, why is composite Seph used? He didn't control the weapons, ESB explained that. When has he changed memories, appearances, or voices? Seriously, when?

I have no doubt that a few of you have but i just get angry when i see posts of ppl saying like he'd get shot by master chief or something....

Ill see if i can find a youtube of the TK in game, its right before you battle his Bizzarro and hes making all your party float and they are all somethign along this dialogue:
So this is the true power of sephiroth!?!?!
I cant feel my body i cant control it!
My legs, my tail, they feel like they are about to get ripped off
This guy is way out of our league

The shield he errects is instant and is represented by "wall" when u fight him in game. He creates it the second the weapons are released. You are correct in saying its techniqually not "Sephiroth" rather Sephiroth argumenting his influence through Jenova. In the temple of ancients + the boat where you fight Jenova birth he/Jenova in the form of Sephiroth, was phases through the floor to talk to your party. He also teleports arround the temple with seemign to beable to see all that is happening in it (teleports up to Tseng and slashes him then to your party. )

Im not sure what you mean by composite sephiroth, but Im going by yes those are his non materia spells only from Bizzaro and Safer sephiroth. Then again as you had stated those are the only real times you encounter sephiroth where as all the others are him willing controlling the bodies of "clones" or Jenova herself. Sephiroth explains to the party that: "the power to change ones voice, looks and memories: that is the power of Jenova". which is shown when he impersonates Tifa, creates the 3 SHM and such. again ill try to find youtube clip

If it wasnt direct TK on the weapons he significantly fooled them into attacking all his enemies and ignoring him even without the barrier (as explained in previous post)

Edit
Ok heres the TK part:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4A7TwUACdOY
Sry its a long video, skip to 8:26 to see it

Edit 2:
Ok heres a teleport away part in the temple
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lINf3ak8t30
also shows some telepathy over cloud

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
"High Herald Hellsing Alucard" beats them both.

But yeah....

This forum is just weird at times.

What braintrust came up with that list?

1. Fanboyism? Lol, moron. I said Seph would win. Seph's TK is not that impressive, compare it even to a weaker SW character, and it's nothing. Also, post the video of him using TK in the game so I can get a look at his so called "Ub3Rz0R T3lek1N35is"! Also, he used materia to call Meteor fanboy, not his TK, wow, you have played the game right? Seph was using his powerful WILL(which is highly emphasized on by the creator) to hold back Holy, not TK fanboy. Once again, you have played the game, right?

I think you may be mildly retarded. Will is mental strength, how does one use mental strenght to restrain something physical? Oh that's right, TK.😖arcasm:

Also, the game says that even with the materia, one needs a whole lot of strength and power mentally and physically to actually call it. Maybe if you played FF VII you'd know that, silly.

2. Ummmm...yeah, they did. They said that because everyone's powers come from the lightstream, Seph can do them all better cause he is stronger, which is utter bullshit. Is Seph the strongest in FFVII? Yes. Can he do anything any other character in FFVII can do better? Hell no.

Once again, learn to read. After you've done this then go back and read his clarification post, saying exactly what I interpreted his message to be.

Btw, I am 16. Also, I have no problem with SHM and Terry, only you, cause you are a fanboy who rides their opinions to make themselves out to be some kinda good debater, when you can't for shit.

Once again, learn to read and comprehend what you're reading. I'm the one in this thread who has brought up over half of the proof of Sephiroth's superiority, if anything every other debater in Sephiroth's favor is riding my opinions and evidence. I'm pretty sure you're just upset because you can never beat me in a debate. When you're a little older, you'll understand.

Facist is only accusing people of being fanboys in retaliation. It's standard troll procedure to accuse others of what he/she's being accused of, to take the heat and spotlight off of themselves.

Trolls tend to ignore facts and blatantly lie about the character they don't want to wins abilities. Who's doing that? Oh yeah, V2D and Keo...

Why would I want the spotlight off of me when I'm clearly winning this, everyone is siding with me but a few Samus fanatics. And even then one of them, V2D, is just being arrogant and trying to make himself look better, even though he already said he thinks Sephiroth takes this.

Perhaps you should try to contribute to the debate rather than spamming the thread to flame me.

I read what you typed. All that was typed was a big assumption.

Someone with a sword, uses a sword. Someone with spells, uses spells. Someone with both uses only a sword?

What?

Its not speculation, its a fact from the game and its creators. Play Crisis Core, FF VII, and watch AC, then read my below response.

I'm sorry what materia did Sephiroth have? None. Okay then.

Why don't you seem to understand that Sephiroth doesn't need materia to perform his magical abilities? Supernova, heartless angel, Itaraki, 8 flashing blades, and even using his negative lifestream as a weapon require no materia, he innately has those abilities. Sephiroth, according to what we are shown and what the creators of AC say, was not trying in that fight, you don't use your most powerful abilities if you aren't trying.

I get REALLY pissed off when they give Sephiroth powers he hasn't used, the Seph that tele'd and was intangible, WASN'T SEPHIROTH AT ALL!

I already gave you the intangibility thing, as I never argued for it, but Sephiroth, even in his weakest form, can teleport. Play Crisis Core.

Also, you get really pissed off...? Chill out dude, the internet isn't serious business. Behavior like this only contributes evidence to my theory that you are no older than 13.

Also, the game says that even with the materia, one needs a whole lot of strength and power mentally and physically to actually call it. Maybe if you played FF VII you'd know that, silly.

Indeed it does.

Exact quote is.

Cloud picked up the Black Materia.

Cloud: Mmm? Can you guys use it?

Aerith: Nope, we can't use it right now. You need great spiritual power to use it.

Cloud: You mean lots of Spiritual energy?

Aerith: That's right. One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!!

And guess where Sephiroth was when he used the Black Materia and stopped Holy? Northern Crater or his "Promised Land" filled with centuries worth of Spirit Energy he had soaked up for ages.

He was using a temporary external powerup to do something his strength alone was not capable of doing.

Same could apply to holding back Holy.

Originally posted by Keollyn
I read what you typed. All that was typed was a big assumption.

Reading is one thing, i think you need to go back to pre school on how to comprehend .

Originally posted by Keollyn

Someone with a sword, uses a sword. Someone with spells, uses spells. Someone with both uses only a sword?

What?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Fanboyism? Lol, moron. I said Seph would win. Seph's TK is not that impressive, compare it even to a weaker SW character, and it's nothing.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Its not speculation, its a fact from the game and its creators. Play Crisis Core, FF VII, and watch AC, then read my below response.

I never said anything about materia, so your response below doesn't apply to me.

Originally posted by Thiru
I didnt assume anything albert enstein, How is calling out your faulty logic assuming?

Reading is one thing, i think you need to go back to pre school on how to [b] comprehend .

Was it necessary for him to use any spells on cloud seeing that he was toying around with cloud with his sword alone?
[/B]

Dear god! He doesn't know what the burden of proof is.

Originally posted by Keollyn

Dear god! He doesn't know what the burden of proof is.

You cant even back your claims, i gave you advice and you dissed me out. Wow what a way to argue for some one who has low social education

This is why nobody and i mean nobody wants to take you seriously

Originally posted by Thiru
The burden of proof is [b] on you f_ck face. Quote me where i assumed sephiroth had spells? You proclaim yourself a debator, and you couldnt even tell i am not assuming he has any spells.

You cant even back your claims, i gave you advice and you dissed me out. Wow what a way to argue for some one who has low social education

This is why nobody and i mean nobody wants to take you seriously [/B]

Never said you did. But you assume it's my business to prove that he has spells when he's never shown any in AC.

Thus I'm free of the burden of proving he has spells, and will say that AC Sephiroth has no spell.

Shall we continue?

Originally posted by Keollyn
Never said you did. But you assume it's my business to prove that he has spells when he's never shown any in AC.

Originally posted by Keollyn

Thus I'm free of the burden of proving he has spells, and will say that AC Sephiroth has no spell.

I guess going by that logic, he doesnt have teleportation either right? Simply because he doesn't demonstrate it at that time when he did in crisis core

Ill ask you again retard, did i assume he has spells? Am i even argueing he has spells? All i did was point out your flawed logic and analogy, i adviced you to actually get something genuine and infallible to back your claim.

Your acting as if im argueing sephiroth has spells which im clearly not

Originally posted by Keollyn

Shall we continue?