Sephiroth vs Samus Aran

laughingI don't know which is more hilarious. The fact that you think you know as much about Sephiroth as me or SHM, or the fact that you think denying what we're told about Sephiroth is factual.

You are the tards who think Sephiroth can go intangible. lol

Get out of here, troll. Your killing our braincells and wasting our time.
No one likes a conceited jackass like yourself.

Even Aerith needed to convince people to help stop Meteor, but Sephiroth had the power to call it.

Aeris kinda doesn't want to forcibly drain the wills and remnants of people for her own reasons like Seph. Thus, while Seph leeched off them with power, she did the hero thing and asked them nicely.

They both sought the Life Energy of the Planet to do what they did as they on their own could not do it.

This is fact. Stated plain as day.

I wonder if he thinks Seph can beat Voyager.

So, yes, Seph COULD NOT summon Meteor on his own power. And he was STILL surrounded by this energy when he held back Holy. Thus, he was getting a powerup when he held back Holy too.

He was a big leech to compensate for his own lack of power.

Once again, the creators of the game said Sephiroth was holding back Holy with his own power. And when he absorbed the lifestream that power became his, unless you think every member of SOLDIER, Cloud, Vincent, and everyone else who's strong in the game is just leeching off something, then the argument fails.

No, he wasn't a big leech and he doesn't lack power. You've demostrated yourself to be an illogical hater of Sephiroth, so we can't trust your judgement.

You are the tards who think Sephiroth can go intangible. lol

Get out of here, troll. Your killing our braincells and wasting our time.
No one likes a conceited jackass like yourself.

Good job reading shin. If you'll refer to my first post in this topic you'll see it said that Sephiroth can't become intangible.

If you think speaking the facts is trolling there is something severely wrong with your mind. Also, the word you were looking for is "you're," not "your."

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I wonder if he thinks Seph can beat Voyager.

Or Nihilus.

Oh is that why they have the head in Advent Children? You know that thing that Kadaj merged with to become Sephiroth.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about Sephiroth needed Kadaj to get the Jenova matter so he could be reborn, as Kadaj is made up of just negative lifestream, and Sephiroth needed physical cells to be whole again. In FF VII he isn't in need of physical matter, its an entirely scenario.

See; that proves you are a Sephiroth fanboy. I don't need to say anything else.

Are you kidding me? A few characters who are beneath Cloud couldn't beat Sephiroth, that isn't fanboyism its logic. Lets go over it again.

1. Already discussed in this topic, you agree that Sephiroth could beat any form of Samus
3. Its a hedgehog who can run fast, come on.
4. Dante is around the level of Sephiroth before Nibelheim, so AC Seph would beat him.
6. Strong, as shown in the Halo novels, but no stronger than a regular SOLDIER 1st.
7. He's just a martial artist who can throw some energy balls.
8. He's got skill, thats undeniable, but Zack would kick his ass.

Or Nihilus.

As in Darth Nihilus? That would be a much closer fight. Come up with characters who wouldn't be completely annihilated by Sephiroth and then we can have a real discussion.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Are you kidding me? A few characters who are beneath Cloud couldn't beat Sephiroth, that isn't fanboyism its logic. Lets go over it again.

1. Already discussed in this topic, you agree that Sephiroth could beat any form of Samus
3. Its a hedgehog who can run fast, come on.
4. Dante is around the level of Sephiroth before Nibelheim, so AC Seph would beat him.
6. Strong, as shown in the Halo novels, but no stronger than a regular SOLDIER 1st.
7. He's just a martial artist who can throw some energy balls.
8. He's got skill, thats undeniable, but Zack would kick his ass.

I never said all of them could beat Sephiroth.

3.) Hyper Sonic has unlimited power and is invincible. As Super Sonic he managed to defeat a god who merged together all of time, Solaris. Hyper Sonic is vastly superior then Super Sonic. Also with Chaos Control he can control time and space.

4.) There is nothing Sephiroth can do that would harm Dante at his prime. Dante was impaled by dozens of swords, axes, scythes, and anything else and was completely unharmed not to mention bullets move in slow motion to him as well as Dante has the power to slow down time and not to even get into his Spadra form.

7.) You clearly lack knowledge of Ryu (SF)

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
As in Darth Nihilus? That would be a much closer fight. Come up with characters who wouldn't be completely annihilated by Sephiroth and then we can have a real discussion.

Nihilus kills Sephiroth in one move.

3.) Hyper Sonic has unlimited power and is invincible. As Super Sonic he managed to defeat a god who merged together all of time, Solaris. Hyper Sonic is vastly superior then Super Sonic. Also with Chaos Control he can control time and space.

4.) There is nothing Sephiroth can do that would harm Dante at his prime. Dante was impaled by dozens of swords, axes, scythes, and anything else and was completely unharmed not to mention bullets move in slow motion to him as well as Dante has the power to slow down time and not to even get into his Spadra form.

7.) You clearly lack knowledge of Ryu (SF)

3. What is his drawback though? Super Sonic reverts to regular when he runs out of rings, and if he could stay Hyper Sonic forever he wouldn't have a reason to be normal Sonic again.

4. Dante is nigh unkillable, but as demonstrated in the game if he takes enough damage he is worn out to the point of death. Sephiroth has more power than pretty much anything Dante faces in DMC, he could take him out.

7. You're right, I don't know much about him, but he's really never done anything all that impressive. Especially not on demi god Sephiroth's level.

Nihilus kills Sephiroth in one move.

No, as I recall Nihilus can only do his uber planet killing move if there are other force users for him to channel through on the planet. Lets say the Masamune is cortosis weave, and it would be a decent fight though.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
1. What is his drawback though? Super Sonic reverts to regular when he runs out of rings, and if he could stay Hyper Sonic forever he wouldn't have a reason to be normal Sonic again.

2. Dante is nigh unkillable, but as demonstrated in the game if he takes enough damage he is worn out to the point of death. Sephiroth has more power than pretty much anything Dante faces in DMC, he could take him out.

3. No, as I recall Nihilus can only do his uber planet killing move if there are other force users for him to channel through on the planet. Lets say the Masamune is cortosis weave, and it would be a decent fight though.

1.) Hey expect that's pure gameplay to give the player limits. We see Super Sonic at the end of Sonic 2, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic Next-Gen, Sonic Rush, and Sonic Rush Adventure staying in his Super transformation far longer than the 50 rings he would start out with.

2.) Mundas is stronger then Sephiroth plus Dante has quick regenerating powers as seen in his duel with Vergil and not to mention his Spadra form.

3.) Nihilus one shot kills Sephiroth with his instant kill attack.

Once again, the creators of the game said Sephiroth was holding back Holy with his own power.

Quote please. Quote specifically saying "his own power".

And when he absorbed the lifestream that power became his, unless you think every member of SOLDIER, Cloud, Vincent, and everyone else who's strong in the game is just leeching off something, then the argument fails.

I don't think Tifa is.

But Vincent is kinda. He was given powers he didn't originally have.

Same for Cloud's enhancements.

He was a pansy before but got stronger after the experiments on him and the J-Cells.

Good job reading shin. If you'll refer to my first post in this topic you'll see it said that Sephiroth can't become intangible.

"The fact that you think you know as much about Sephiroth as me or SHM"

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=9726732&highlight=intangible+userid%3A111079#post9726732
"He can turn intangible because we already watched him do that, in two different occasions."

Make up your mind. You say you and SHm know more than I do and yet SHM thinks we saw Sephiroth go intangible....

If you think speaking the facts is trolling there is something severely wrong with your mind.

Your "facts" are repeatedly saying things were never stated.

You claim to use the creators' words but, GASP, you haven't even provided one. You say they said this and that. How about backing it up?

Like this.

Not in the game, but its creators said that it was absorbing all that mako that made him into Safer Sephiroth.

Note that the UOG odes not count as what the creators say. It wasn't even written by Square.

And

That Jenova argument is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Jenova was destroyed by the party before Safer even showed up, how do you merge with what doesn't exist anymore?

Sephiroth ALWAYS planned to merge with Jenova.

Sephiroth
"Mother..... it's almost time... Soon..... we will become one."

And why didn't people get Geostigma before? Because the Jenova Cells were active. Jenova was "alive" and the cells could be manipulated by the host for their needs such as with Cloud getting his "false" memory when he met Tifa. That was the J-Cells in action. Then the Reunion starts and the cells are compeling the hosts via Sephiroth. But when Jenova is beaten a final time in 7, her whole body is destroyed.

The cells became innate, harmful foreign things in the body. Thus, as Vincent explains, Geostigma is the body's immune system overloading while trying to get rid of the J-Cells.

Vincent: 'Geostigma' is when your body has overworked itself purging wicked substances from within itself.

Cloud: Wicked substances...(his expression shows that he knows exactly what they consist of)

Vincent: There's something that resembles the lifestream flowing within our bodies, and that's what's fighting the evil substances that have intruded within. The Calamity from the Skies....Jenova.

Just posting this because, unlike you, I back up wheverything I say with evidence.

You may have a minor point in Seph making Geostigma though. People still have Jenova Cells in DoC but no one is getting Geostigma any more. So, who knows.

hmmm quite a few posts since i posted...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wu9w57tbwgo

well here is the clip of Sephiroths intagibility (about 35 seconds in) as requested

BTW, yes that techniqually is a Jenova cell'd person with Sephiroth's will controlling the body and agumenting Jenovas and his own powers. But then again... Thats what AC Sephiroth is except via Kadaj.... It is fair to say that we can call what we see there as Sephiroth

In regards to Nihilus, see my respect thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=464154&highlight=title%3A%28Nihilus%29+userid%3A100537

The Lifestream is like one big Force feast.

Or he could just TK Sephiroth into moosh.

Quote please. Quote specifically saying "his own power".

From the UOG. "Sephiroth was holding back Holy with his powerful will."

I don't think Tifa is.

But Vincent is kinda. He was given powers he didn't originally have.

Same for Cloud's enhancements.

He was a pansy before but got stronger after the experiments on him and the J-Cells.

This shows you have no credibility on the matter of FF VII. If something has become a part of you, like Vincent with Hojo's experiments and Cloud with his Jenova cells and mako, you aren't leeching off of it. Also, Cloud was no wimp before Hojo's experiments, play Before Crisis.

Note that the UOG odes not count as what the creators say. It wasn't even written by Square.

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Is that why the book says "published by Square Enix" right on the cover, and is filled with interviews with the people who made the game? You sure do know nothing at all about FF VII.

And why didn't people get Geostigma before? Because the Jenova Cells were active. Jenova was "alive" and the cells could be manipulated by the host for their needs such as with Cloud getting his "false" memory when he met Tifa. That was the J-Cells in action. Then the Reunion starts and the cells are compeling the hosts via Sephiroth. But when Jenova is beaten a final time in 7, her whole body is destroyed.

The cells became innate, harmful foreign things in the body. Thus, as Vincent explains, Geostigma is the body's immune system overloading while trying to get rid of the J-Cells.

Vincent: 'Geostigma' is when your body has overworked itself purging wicked substances from within itself.

Cloud: Wicked substances...(his expression shows that he knows exactly what they consist of)

Vincent: There's something that resembles the lifestream flowing within our bodies, and that's what's fighting the evil substances that have intruded within. The Calamity from the Skies....Jenova.

Just posting this because, unlike you, I back up wheverything I say with evidence.

Jenova was completely braindead in FF VII, it was nothing more than a puppet of Sephiroth. Before that it was just sitting in a tube, not active at all. It couldn't even signal a reunion to call Cloud and the copies, Sephiroth signalled reunion when he took over Jenova. Geostigma was created by Sephiroth after FF VII, that is a fact. Otherwise everyone weho joined SOLDIER, Cloud, and the other Sephiroth copies would have gotten Geostigma. The body only responds to the cells like that because Sephiroth's will manipulates them seem like a bigger threat to the body.

I only post this, because unlike you I know the facts about FF VII.

You may have a minor point in Seph making Geostigma though. People still have Jenova Cells in DoC but no one is getting Geostigma any more. So, who knows.

The creators and myself know, and Sephiroth created it. It became non existent again after Sephiroth was defeated.

BTW, yes that techniqually is a Jenova cell'd person with Sephiroth's will controlling the body and agumenting Jenovas and his own powers. But then again... Thats what AC Sephiroth is except via Kadaj.... It is fair to say that we can call what we see there as Sephiroth

Actually that is Jenova itself, not a person with her cells.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Actually that is Jenova itself, not a person with her cells.

Its unclear whether its Jenova or a Jenova celled host because we have seen in the reunion part of hte original ff7, he casually discards Jenova celled bodies and goes through them easily

Edit: I also love how people, once i proved he/jenova (whos powers he is controlling since the only "real" sephiroth is Safer sephiroth or Bizzaro which is merged with Jenova hence the 2 heads) can go intangible just ignore that fact and will later disregard it

Its unclear whether its Jenova or a Jenova celled host because we have seen in the reunion part of hte original ff7, he casually discards Jenova celled bodies and goes through them easily

Except for the fact that its perfectly clear. According to the games creators:

***Jenova inside the ship*** (Page 112)
Cloud confronts "Sephiroth," the murderer of the ship's crew in the bottom of
the ship. In truth, Jenova began moving away from the Shin-Ra building on its
own, and took on the form of Sephiroth.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

I assume we're talking about AC Sephiroth, so I'll go with that in these fights.

1. Sephiroth - Now i know your full of it. Fusion Samus can one-shot Prime Samus at her best. Sephiroth, by these weak and mistakenly used, arguments, barely pulled out a win (truthfully, he didn't, but my brain started to lose function continuing this debate)
3. Is that the same as Super Sonic? If so, Sephiroth. Regular Sonic can move WAY faster than Sephrth and drill through massive boulders. No way is he losing in Hyper mode.
4. Sephiroth No way can Sephiroth beat Dante. Far to many ACTUAL goodies (not those speculative stuff) to work with. Plus Seph's sword would have a hard time putting him down... because he sure doesn't have spells...

Lol @ confirmed Sephite

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Except for the fact that its perfectly clear. According to the games creators:

***Jenova inside the ship*** (Page 112)
Cloud confronts "Sephiroth," the murderer of the ship's crew in the bottom of
the ship. In truth, Jenova began moving away from the Shin-Ra building on its
own, and took on the form of Sephiroth.

...we're talking about AC Sephiroth. And that was a Jenova clone Sephiroth for the real Sephiroth was at the Northern Crater.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Edit: I also love how people, once i proved he/jenova (whos powers he is controlling since the only "real" sephiroth is Safer sephiroth or Bizzaro which is merged with Jenova hence the 2 heads) can go intangible just ignore that fact and will later disregard it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cUqmtHWo32U

Just skip down to the end and we see a solid object killing Sephiroth. So much for that.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
...we're talking about AC Sephiroth. And that was a Jenova clone Sephiroth for the real Sephiroth was at the Northern Crater.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cUqmtHWo32U

Just skip down to the end and we see a solid object killing Sephiroth. So much for that.

Thread didnt specify AC Sephiroth.... As i said all feats we are going from are generally techniqually Jenova's feats since its techniqually it in the form of sephiroth carrying out Sephiroths will....

Just cause he CAN go in tangible doesnt mean he always will be. Check my post: my point was he can. We are going by what they are capable of doing, not him losing due to PIS to cloud

Edit: Whats dante and sonic have to do with this?

...we're talking about AC Sephiroth. And that was a Jenova clone Sephiroth for the real Sephiroth was at the Northern Crater.

Me and you are talking about AC Sephiroth, but me and Hannibal are discussing the "Sephiroth" in FF VII. The real Sephiroth is at the northern crater, the one CLoud was chasing around was Jenova, not a Sephiroth copy.