Sephiroth vs Samus Aran

Originally posted by Thiru
But the fact is i dont assume its your buisness to prove he doesnt have spells, its the basic standard that you or anyone has to do when you come up with an assumption

And thus, you don't know what the burden of proof is.

Yes but your claim was "Zomg b3c@u$e h3 d0nT U$3 @ny $p3lLs !n @dvEnT Ch!ldr3n = he has no spells". Thats horrible analogy

Yet extremely accurate in its usage.

I guess going by that logic, he doesnt have teleportation either right? Simply because he doesn't demonstrate it at that time when he did in crisis core

Then the person just have to show me that he teleported in CC, as I havne't played CC (and alot of other people too)

But if you want to ignore that the Sephiroth at the end of FF7 is the same as the Sephiroth during AC... well, knock yourself out.

Ill ask you again retard, did i assume he has spells?

Originally posted by Keollyn
Never said you did.

"Never to early to learn to read."

I love that slogan

Am i even argueing he has spells? All i did was point out your flawed logic and analogy, i adviced you to actually get something genuine and infallible to back your claim.

Burden of proof...

Your acting as if im argueing sephiroth has spells which im clearly not

So your whole argument was to tell me to use a fallacy?

Originally posted by Keollyn
And thus, you don't know what the burden of proof is.

Originally posted by Keollyn

Yet extremely accurate in its usage.

Because your so damm stupid, ill use a metaphor to explain to you clearly.

Ever read dark empire? It was stated that sidious mastered every aspect of the force, but in his fight with luke, does he ever use the techniques he was stated to mastered? No he doesn't.

I guess by going by your "extremely accurate logic"( yea right), Sidious doesnt have those techniques, because he does not use it that one time

Originally posted by Keollyn

Then the person just have to show me that he teleported in CC, as I havne't played CC (and alot of other people too)

Originally posted by Keollyn

But if you want to ignore that the Sephiroth at the end of FF7 is the same as the Sephiroth during AC... well, knock yourself out.

You fail, miserably

Originally posted by Keollyn

"Never to early to learn to read."

I love that slogan

Originally posted by Keollyn

Burden of proof...

Originally posted by Keollyn

So you're whole argument was to tell me to use a fallacy?

Originally posted by Thiru
And you dont realise the burden of proof is on you, Absence of proof is not proof of absence

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

Then your being what we call a f-ucking idiot,

So long as I'm right.

Because your so damm stupid, ill use a metaphor to explain to you clearly.

Let's see how well you do here

Ever read dark empire? It was stated that sidious mastered every aspect of the force, but in his fight with luke, does he ever use the techniques he was stated to mastered? No he doesn't.

And apparently, they said Sephiroth kept those spells from his one-time power up?

I guess by going by your "extremely accurate logic"( yea right), Sidious doesnt have those techniques, because he does not use it that one time

Difference is... they said Sidious has them... They said nothing for Sephiroth.

I bet this is going to see another faulty, bad as can be, metaphor.

SHM posted it several times here, go search it on youtube, i dont have the luxury of posting it to an idiot

No. I'm not asking for it. I don't see how you got me requesting it from that post...

Sure, knock me.

Would that bring you pleasure?

And the director of AC stated sephiroth in the movie is and might i emphasize [b] even stronger than the one in ff7 whom has already demonstrated numerous spells, barrier, intangibility etc and these were in cut scenes, not gameplay.

Because stronger means retained?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Stronger

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retained

Does not seem like a matching definition.

Are we back to the intangibility thing? He's shown spells and barriers in cutscene? Were these when Sephiroth was not frozen?

You fail, miserably

You just said intangibility, and spells in cutscene.

The failure is pretty much in your court.

Then i guess you better start now sparky

So your name is sparky? How come it's not capitalized? Did your mama thought that'd make you a special child?

Hows the burden of proof on me when i have yet to assume anything? I think its on you

sigh

I said the burden of proof doesn't fall on me. You are not me. I actually have a "My brain functions" I.Q.

No, but to use proper analogy and logical deduction which you have never been shown to use [/B]

1. Sephiroth didn't use any spells in AC
2. He talked... and talked some more
3. Sephiroth used his sword for most of the fight
4. He lost.... again.

Me: He doesn't have any spells in AC.
You: Ohh boo hoo, just because he doesn't, doesn't mean he doesn't. Doesn't doesn't mean doesn't!

I think the first "doesn't" pretty much proved my point.

Originally posted by Keollyn
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

Originally posted by Keollyn

So long as I'm right.

Originally posted by Keollyn

Let's see how well you do here

Originally posted by Keollyn

And apparently, they said Sephiroth kept those spells from his one-time power up?

Its like if you can blow up a tank with an RPG easily, you wouldnt need to call an airstrike and waste energy.

The very fact you fail to realise this pretty much indicates to me you have no form of common sense or even cow sense

Originally posted by Keollyn

Difference is... they said Sidious has them... They said nothing for Sephiroth.

Originally posted by Keollyn

I bet this is going to see another faulty, bad as can be, metaphor.

Originally posted by Keollyn

No. I'm not asking for it. I don't see how you got me requesting it from that post...

Originally posted by Keollyn

Would that bring you pleasure?

Originally posted by Keollyn

Because stronger means retained?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Stronger

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retained

Does not seem like a matching definition.

Originally posted by Keollyn

Are we back to the intangibility thing? He's shown spells and barriers in cutscene? Were these when Sephiroth was not frozen?

Originally posted by Keollyn

You just said intangibility, and spells in cutscene.

Originally posted by Keollyn

The failure is pretty much in your court.

Originally posted by Keollyn

So your name is sparky? How come it's not capitalized? Did your mama thought that'd make you a special child?

Originally posted by Keollyn

I said the burden of proof doesn't fall on [b]me. You are not me. I actually have a "My brain functions" I.Q.[/B]

I on the other hand have elaborated what he has done in ffvii and at the least listed down some of his feats which pretty much destroys your assumptions

Originally posted by Keollyn

1. Sephiroth didn't use any spells in AC

Originally posted by Keollyn

2. He talked... and talked some more
3. Sephiroth used his sword for most of the fight
4. He lost.... again.

Originally posted by Keollyn

Me: He doesn't have any spells in AC.
You: Ohh boo hoo, just because he doesn't, doesn't mean he doesn't. Doesn't doesn't mean doesn't!

Originally posted by Keollyn

I think the first "doesn't" pretty much proved my point.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I think you may be mildly retarded. Will is mental strength, how does one use mental strenght to restrain something physical? Oh that's right, TK.😖arcasm:

Also, the game says that even with the materia, one needs a whole lot of strength and power mentally and physically to actually call it. Maybe if you played FF VII you'd know that, silly.

Once again, learn to read. After you've done this then go back and read his clarification post, saying exactly what I interpreted his message to be.

Once again, learn to read and comprehend what you're reading. I'm the one in this thread who has brought up over half of the proof of Sephiroth's superiority, if anything every other debater in Sephiroth's favor is riding my opinions and evidence. I'm pretty sure you're just upset because you can never beat me in a debate. When you're a little older, you'll understand.

2. Ummm...yeah, if we're talking about the big materia like Black Materia. Which he got an amp to do.

3. I really don't give a damn what YOU interpreted his message to be. I must have missed it, tell me what he meant. 🙄

4. Lol...no you haven't. You have been just saying that because Seph is an UB3RZ0R G0DZ0R he automatically wins...you provided no evidence at all. SHM provided most of the evidence. Nice way to cop out btw, attacking my age.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Do u remember it Diamond weapon sensed the cannon was going to fire AT Sephiroth/ the barrier and thus moved itself in the way of the cannons shot? Now why would it do that unless it was at least manipulated in some way? The sister ray's shot is comprised of the life stream and thus its attack is similar to the weapon itself. It would recognize it as another strong lifestream based force like itself if any if it wasnt manipulated, and i hate it when people only adress part of argument. Perhaps they would have attacked Sephiroth if they coudl detect him, but they are being manipulated by Sephiroth to do so other wise. Once the barrier is down, how come ultima weapon isnt flying over to Sephiroth instead of hovering over the all other HUMAN populated locations in preparation to fire.... Doesnt Sephiroth want revenge on the human race and the planet? The weapons didnt attack humans or cetra when they first where created....

The Diamond WEAPON never moved after it fired its attack at Midgar. The WEAPONs are in no way being controlled by Sephiroth. Some quotes to show the purpose of the WEAPONs. The WEAPONs attacked the human race because that is what they were made for:

Hojo: ...Weapon. Monsters created by the Planet. It appears when the Planet is in danger, reducing everything to nothingness. That's what was stated in Professor Gast's report.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Edit: Omnislash isnt materia.... It was stated Sephiroth was the strongest FF7 character and the only thing strong enough to stop him is himself. Cloud is a failed "Clone" of Sephiroth but still has some of Sephiroths traits hence why Sephiroth seems to have an affinity with Cloud through out the game even though he has many other "clones" to go to. Being the closest clone to sephiroth, he has some traits of Sephiroth: one being in periods of critical emotional states, he is able to tap into some of Sephiroths strength making him strong enough to hurt Sephiroth himself. Why do u think Zack has all the limit breaks of Cloud but Omnislash. Being close friends and a idol of Cloud, Zack taught cloud the techniques he knew, but Omnislash was something developed out of Sephiroths power, not Clouds own.

I would love to hear where you heard that from and I don't mean Kingdom Hearts.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
I have no doubt that a few of you have but i just get angry when i see posts of ppl saying like he'd get shot by master chief or something....

Ill see if i can find a youtube of the TK in game, its right before you battle his Bizzarro and hes making all your party float and they are all somethign along this dialogue:
So this is the true power of sephiroth!?!?!
I cant feel my body i cant control it!
My legs, my tail, they feel like they are about to get ripped off
This guy is way out of our league

And yet they can get into formation and fight.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
The shield he errects is instant and is represented by "wall" when u fight him in game. He creates it the second the weapons are released. You are correct in saying its techniqually not "Sephiroth" rather Sephiroth argumenting his influence through Jenova. In the temple of ancients + the boat where you fight Jenova birth he/Jenova in the form of Sephiroth, was phases through the floor to talk to your party. He also teleports arround the temple with seemign to beable to see all that is happening in it (teleports up to Tseng and slashes him then to your party. )

Sephiroth needed a lot of the Planet's own energy to use the Black Materia to summon Meteor so that barrier could also be a result of Sephiroth using that power as said by Shin_Nikkolas. Why didn't Sephiroth make another barrier after the Sister Ray destroyed the first one?

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Im not sure what you mean by composite sephiroth, but Im going by yes those are his non materia spells only from Bizzaro and Safer sephiroth. Then again as you had stated those are the only real times you encounter sephiroth where as all the others are him willing controlling the bodies of "clones" or Jenova herself. Sephiroth explains to the party that: "the power to change ones voice, looks and memories: that is the power of Jenova". which is shown when he impersonates Tifa, creates the 3 SHM and such. again ill try to find youtube clip

If it wasnt direct TK on the weapons he significantly fooled them into attacking all his enemies and ignoring him even without the barrier (as explained in previous post)

Edit
Ok heres the TK part:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4A7TwUACdOY
Sry its a long video, skip to 8:26 to see it

Edit 2:
Ok heres a teleport away part in the temple
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lINf3ak8t30
also shows some telepathy over cloud

Composite means taking all the powers and abilities ever used by say Sephiroth for the sake of a fight. And the WEAPONs purpose was to level the planet until nothing was left to harm it. And if I recall correctly the WEAPONs were going for Sephiroth at the end of the game and that is why some of Cloud's party stayed behind.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Trolls tend to ignore facts and blatantly lie about the character they don't want to wins abilities. Who's doing that? Oh yeah, V2D and Keo...

Look genius everyone here has said Sephiroth won. The only difference is some of us aren't trying to make Sephiroth seem stronger then he truly is.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Why would I want the spotlight off of me when I'm clearly winning this, everyone is siding with me but a few Samus fanatics. And even then one of them, V2D, is just being arrogant and trying to make himself look better, even though he already said he thinks Sephiroth takes this.

Perhaps you should try to contribute to the debate rather than spamming the thread to flame me.

Winning what? Everyone has said Sephiroth has one and yet whenever someone tries to actually show what Sephiroth can do and can't do you seem to call them a Samus fanboy because they are not agreeing with you and calling him god.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Its not speculation, its a fact from the game and its creators. Play Crisis Core, FF VII, and watch AC, then read my below response.

Why don't you seem to understand that Sephiroth doesn't need materia to perform his magical abilities? Supernova, heartless angel, Itaraki, 8 flashing blades, and even using his negative lifestream as a weapon require no materia, he innately has those abilities. Sephiroth, according to what we are shown and what the creators of AC say, was not trying in that fight, you don't use your most powerful abilities if you aren't trying.

Well one thing he was Safer Sephiroth during that battle and you have no clue whether or not he was using Materia. We see Sephiroth in Cloud's flashback using Materia and yet all of a sudden he never uses it. Seems like Sephiroth used materia quite a lot or did you not play disc 1?

And the fact still remains if Sephiroth was as strong as YOU claim he is he would have easily been able to counter Cloud's Omnislash but the fact still remains he wasn't and he couldn't stop his attack.

Cut the hostility please. 😐

You can disagree with people's opinions, but do not go far as to insult them.

By the way, Sephiroth can replicate 9/11 with his mind, minus the nuclear reaction maybe.

Stop backseat moderating. If you have a problem with the way people act, just bump it and move on.

I'm just doing the right thing....what is backseat moderating by the way? XD

You have an assclown in your sig.

1. I think you are fully retarded. Is there any proof that Seph used TK to holg back Holy? No ass hole, I don't think so. And as Nik already pointed out, he was being amped in the Northern Crater.

2. Ummm...yeah, if we're talking about the big materia like Black Materia. Which he got an amp to do.

3. I really don't give a damn what YOU interpreted his message to be. I must have missed it, tell me what he meant. roll eyes (sarcastic)

4. Lol...no you haven't. You have been just saying that because Seph is an UB3RZ0R G0DZ0R he automatically wins...you provided no evidence at all. SHM provided most of the evidence. Nice way to cop out btw, attacking my age.

1. Lets see, the creators said he used his powerful will to hold back holy, will is mental strength, mental strength can only be physically manifested to hold back something through TK. This isn't rocket science, when you get a little older you'll understand.

2. No, he didn't have an amp silly. He grew more powerful and then used his own strength to call Meteor, that's the only way it can work. Play FF VII please.

3. It doesn't how much you care about my interpretation when mine is right. Like he said, he meant that because Sephiroth can control the lifestream, which is the source of all the other characters most powerful attacks, he can perform attacks more powerful than any other character.😖arcastic:

4. Yeah, I've provided more evidence from the games and movie than anyone else has, on top of the fact that I've also been using quotes from the games creators. And my attacking your age isn't a cop out child, because I have responded to each idiotic point you've tried to make it is only me adding insult to injury because I don't like foolish people. It could only be a cop out if I ignored the rest of your post, which I clearly did not. Kids these days.

Sephiroth can use the same telekinetic attack/whatever that he used to collapse the building to make Samus' heart stop....lol.

Look genius everyone here has said Sephiroth won. The only difference is some of us aren't trying to make Sephiroth seem stronger then he truly is.

Is that why Keo is desperately saying Samus wins?😖arcastic: Also, saying what Sephiroth does in the ganmes and movies he is in, along with saying things about him from his creators mouths isn't making him seem stronger than he is. If you have a problem with wht we're saying take it up with Square Enix, their the ones who came up with everything we've said.

Winning what? Everyone has said Sephiroth has one and yet whenever someone tries to actually show what Sephiroth can do and can't do you seem to call them a Samus fanboy because they are not agreeing with you and calling him god.

Keo is saying Sephiroth can't hit Samus or take her screw attack, and that she wins.....

You people aren't showing what Sephiroth can do, you're arguing that he can't do what we are clearly shown because you either don't like Sephiroth or don't think Samus should lose. That is fanboyish, therefore I am fully justified in calling you fanboys.

Well one thing he was Safer Sephiroth during that battle and you have no clue whether or not he was using Materia. We see Sephiroth in Cloud's flashback using Materia and yet all of a sudden he never uses it. Seems like Sephiroth used materia quite a lot or did you not play disc 1?

You really do know literally nothing of Sephiroth. He only used materia while he was still a human, when he fell into the lifestream he became stronger exponentially stronger. Also consider that those parts have been retconned with Before Crisis and Crisis Core, which show Sephiroth relying 100% on his swordplay and strength. We know Sephiroth didn't use materia as Safer Sephiroth because he was on his way tyo becoming a god and didn't need it, all of the attacks he uses there are his natural abilities.

And the fact still remains if Sephiroth was as strong as YOU claim he is he would have easily been able to counter Cloud's Omnislash but the fact still remains he wasn't and he couldn't stop his attack.

Actually I've countered that quite a few times already, pay attention or learn to read. Sephiroth is extremely arrogant against Cloud, he views him as nothing and when he fights him, he puts no effort into the fight. Sephiroth is caught off guard by Omnislash, he has no time to counter it by the time it hits him. Perhaps if you knew the FF VII universe as well as I did you'd understand this.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
1. Lets see, the creators said he used his powerful will to hold back holy, will is mental strength, mental strength can only be physically manifested to hold back something through TK. This isn't rocket science, when you get a little older you'll understand.

1.) Will doesn't equal TK. Or should we go ask our good friend the Dictionary. You may have heard or seen one of these:

Will: 1. part of mind that makes decisions: the part of the mind with which somebody consciously decides things

2. power to decide: the power to make decisions
This lawn mower seems to have a will of its own!

3. process of making decisions: the use of the mind to make decisions about things
It's a matter of will as much as opportunity.

4. determination: the determination to do something
She has lots of ability but she lacks the will to succeed.

5. desire or inclination: a desire or inclination to do something

6. attitude toward somebody else: the attitude or feelings somebody has toward somebody or something
I bear you no ill will.

7. something that somebody wants to happen: what a person or group, especially one in authority, wants to happen ( formal )
It was her will that he should never be told the truth.

8. law statement of distribution of deceased's property: a statement of what somebody wants to happen to his or her property after he or she dies, or a legal document containing this statement.

TK and will are not the same thing.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
2. No, he didn't have an amp silly. He grew more powerful and then used his own strength to call Meteor, that's the only way it can work. Play FF VII please.

2.) Shin_Nikkolas has answered that already:

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Exact quote is.

Cloud picked up the Black Materia.

Cloud: Mmm? Can you guys use it?

Aerith: Nope, we can't use it right now. You need great spiritual power to use it.

Cloud: You mean lots of Spiritual energy?

Aerith: That's right. [b]One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!!

And guess where Sephiroth was when he used the Black Materia and stopped Holy? Northern Crater or his "Promised Land" filled with centuries worth of Spirit Energy he had soaked up for ages.

He was using a temporary external powerup to do something his strength alone was not capable of doing.

Same could apply to holding back Holy. [/B]

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
3. It doesn't how much you care about my interpretation when mine is right. Like he said, he meant that because Sephiroth can control the lifestream, which is the source of all the other characters most powerful attacks, he can perform attacks more powerful than any other character.😖arcastic:

3.) No what Sephiroth was in control of was something that WAS like a negative lifestream. Nothing but those who died and Sephiroth was trying to use them to choke the planet. If Sephiroth had control of the lifestream he wouldn't have needed the Black Materia to summon Meteor because all that was in an attempt for Sephiroth to bring out loads of the lifestream that repairs the planet so he can fuse with it.

Sephiroth never had control of the lifestream.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
4. Yeah, I've provided more evidence from the games and movie than anyone else has, on top of the fact that I've also been using quotes from the games creators. And my attacking your age isn't a cop out child, because I have responded to each idiotic point you've tried to make it is only me adding insult to injury because I don't like foolish people. It could only be a cop out if I ignored the rest of your post, which I clearly did not. Kids these days.

4.) And how old are you? Seriously you haven't done anything expect try to convince everyone that Sephiroth is this god like being. Answer this:

If Sephiroth is as strong you claimed then why did he get defeated by Cloud, three times now?

Let's see he was defeated by Cloud at the reactor and years later he was defeated by Cloud again at the Northern Crater. The guy that put you 0-2 and all you want to do is go easy on him. Okay sure he wants Cloud to suffer alright I'll go with that but here's the thing; when Sephiroth was the one with his life in danger (omnislash) he was powerless to do a thing to stop Cloud from dealing the final blow.

Alright so Sephiroth has TK, can phase through whatever he wants, has control of the lifestream, can basically do what any other can do expect better, and yet he couldn't stop a single attack. Hey why didn't he just teleport to safety? Oh yeah because he's not as strong as you claim he is.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Actually I've countered that quite a few times already, pay attention or learn to read. Sephiroth is extremely arrogant against Cloud, he views him as nothing and when he fights him, he puts no effort into the fight. Sephiroth is caught off guard by Omnislash, he has no time to counter it by the time it hits him. Perhaps if you knew the FF VII universe as well as I did you'd understand this.

5.) You haven't countered anything! That wasn't the first time Sephiroth was defeated by Cloud but the third time! Once at the reactor and once at the Northern Crater and that time he used Omnislash. If Sephiroth had all these powers as you claimed he could have phased through the attack, used TK to just stop Cloud, or teleport away to safety.

Sephiroth is so powerful and yet he cannot stop Cloud from killing him for the third time.

TK and will are not the same thing.

Will can only manifest physically through TK. Mental power used against something physical is what TK is.

He was using a temporary external powerup to do something his strength alone was not capable of doing.

Same could apply to holding back Holy.

This whole post is contradictory, and the last sentence is blatantly false. If he was absorbing the lifestream like Shin(who has shown himself completely ignorant of Sephiroth in the Seph respect thread) said, then that power became a part of him. It is not possible that is was temporary or external, we clearly see in the end of the game it made his own power stronger, it even mutated him into Safer Sephiroth. Also, we know it was Sephiroth's own will that held back Holy, not anything external. You shouldn't take examples from people who don't know what they're talking about.

No what Sephiroth was in control of was something that WAS like a negative lifestream. Nothing but those who died and Sephiroth was trying to use them to choke the planet. If Sephiroth had control of the lifestream he wouldn't have needed the Black Materia to summon Meteor because all that was in an attempt for Sephiroth to bring out loads of the lifestream that repairs the planet so he can fuse with it.

He didn't have that control until AC, which is why he had to become stronger in FF VII by absorbing lifestream to use the black materia.

Sephiroth never had control of the lifestream.

You're right, putting it like that is an understatement. Sephiroth is so powerful he created his own lifestream, and has full control of it. That's far more impressive than just hijacking the existing lifestream.

And how old are you? Seriously you haven't done anything expect try to convince everyone that Sephiroth is this god like being. Answer this:

I'm 19, older than any of you silly children.

If Sephiroth is as strong you claimed then why did he get defeated by Cloud, three times now?

Let's see he was defeated by Cloud at the reactor and years later he was defeated by Cloud again at the Northern Crater. The guy that put you 0-2 and all you want to do is go easy on him. Okay sure he wants Cloud to suffer alright I'll go with that but here's the thing; when Sephiroth was the one with his life in danger (omnislash) he was powerless to do a thing to stop Cloud from dealing the final blow.

Alright so Sephiroth has TK, can phase through whatever he wants, has control of the lifestream, can basically do what any other can do expect better, and yet he couldn't stop a single attack. Hey why didn't he just teleport to safety? Oh yeah because he's not as strong as you claim he is.

For the umpteenth time, I never said Sephiroth could phase through walls. And once again, stop ignoring my posts. I've explained to you countless times Sephiroth loses because of his own arrogance, not because of his opponents strength. See my last post and instead of ignoring the end, respond to it.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Will can only manifest physically through TK. Mental power used against something physical is what TK is.

No, Will and TK really have nothing to do with each other.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
This whole post is contradictory, and the last sentence is blatantly false. If he was absorbing the lifestream like Shin(who has shown himself completely ignorant of Sephiroth in the Seph respect thread) said, then that power became a part of him. It is not possible that is was temporary or external, we clearly see in the end of the game it made his own power stronger, it even mutated him into Safer Sephiroth. Also, we know it was Sephiroth's own will that held back Holy, not anything external. You shouldn't take examples from people who don't know what they're talking about.

No there is no explanation as to why Sephiroth became Safer Sephiroth. It was never said ingame and no one has taken it further. All that can be made is pure speculation. Many also believe that Sephiroth became that because he became fused with Jenova as his right arm has become a wing that shows the colors of Jenova.

And it seems you missed the point of that quote:

Aerith: That's right. One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!!

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
He didn't have that control until AC, which is why he had to become stronger in FF VII by absorbing lifestream to use the black materia.

Expect he was umm...defeated before he could finish merging with Jenova and absorbing the lifestream hence why the lifestream was able to stop Meteor.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
You're right, putting it like that is an understatement. Sephiroth is so powerful he created his own lifestream, and has full control of it. That's far more impressive than just hijacking the existing lifestream.

Yeah he created a lifestream through him alone. No it wasn't the Jenova cells at all doing a thing it was all Sephiroth. And you know creating a lesser lifestream isn't as impressive as taking control of the real thing.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I'm 19, older than any of you silly children.

You silly children...you like to say silly a lot. You must be a girl.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
For the umpteenth time, I never said Sephiroth could phase through walls. And once again, [b]stop ignoring my posts. I've explained to you countless times Sephiroth loses because of his own arrogance, not because of his opponents strength. See my last post and instead of ignoring the end, respond to it. [/B]

And yet Sephiroth was encapable of using his full power at will to stop Cloud? So Sephiroth who has already lost to Cloud twice now couldn't have just used his full power and stopped the Omnislash? Oh I can see why Sephiroth is so powerful.

Here's a list for you fascist. Name everyone on the list that Sephiroth can defeat:

1.) Samus (Fusion)
2.) Pyron
3.) Hyper Sonic
4.) Dante (DMC2)
5.) Yggdrasil
6.) Master Chief
7.) Ryu (SF)
8.) Ryu (NG)
9.) Shin Akuma
10.) KOS-MOS

This whole post is contradictory, and the last sentence is blatantly false. If he was absorbing the lifestream like Shin(who has shown himself completely ignorant of Sephiroth in the Seph respect thread) said, then that power became a part of him. It is not possible that is was temporary or external, we clearly see in the end of the game it made his own power stronger, it even mutated him into Safer Sephiroth. Also, we know it was Sephiroth's own will that held back Holy, not anything external. You shouldn't take examples from people who don't know what they're talking about.

I know just as much about Seph as you do but I don't use bull to support my case. I use facts.

I am ONLY using the script that SPECIFICALLY states you can't use Black Materia on your own. You need a powerup. Where is this? A place with Spirit Energy? Northern Crater which gathered huge amounts of said energy to heal the crater left by Jenova.

That's FACT. You can't argue it. Sephiroth was surrounded and sucking up tons of energy while he summoned Meteor and while he held off Holy.

No, Will and TK really have nothing to do with each other.

So what is it called when one uses to a mental power to directly affect something physical? Oh right, TK.

No there is no explanation as to why Sephiroth became Safer Sephiroth. It was never said ingame and no one has taken it further. All that can be made is pure speculation. Many also believe that Sephiroth became that because he became fused with Jenova as his right arm has become a wing that shows the colors of Jenova.

Not in the game, but its creators said that it was absorbing all that mako that made him into Safer Sephiroth. That Jenova argument is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Jenova was destroyed by the party before Safer even showed up, how do you merge with what doesn't exist anymore?

The creatiors of FF VII know quite a bit more than you do about their game, and because I only use what they say, so do I.

And it seems you missed the point of that quote:

Aerith: That's right. One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!![/quote]

Sephiroth is no ordinary person. Post Nibelheim he has the power of masses of people.

Yeah he created a lifestream through him alone. No it wasn't the Jenova cells at all doing a thing it was all Sephiroth. And you know creating a lesser lifestream isn't as impressive as taking control of the real thing.

He did do it alone, Jenova cells didn't create geostigma, Sephiroth did. Why do you think no one ever got geostigma until Sephiroth made it?

And making your own lifestream is the most impressive thing we've ever seen. The lifestream is just something that has always been there, the universe makes it. Sephiroth displayed that he can do something that previously only the universe itself could.

You silly children...you like to say silly a lot. You must be a girl.

No I'm a man actually. I like to say that because you kids need to realize you're being silly and ridiculous.

And yet Sephiroth was encapable of using his full power at will to stop Cloud? So Sephiroth who has already lost to Cloud twice now couldn't have just used his full power and stopped the Omnislash? Oh I can see why Sephiroth is so powerful.

Its incapable, not encapable. And Sephiroth lost because of arrogance, like I said. He was about to kill Cloud the first time, then he got cocky and hesitated to finish him off, giving Cloud the chance to Omnislash him. The second time he was playing around the whole fight and not exerting himself at all, and he was caught off guard by it, so by the time he realized what hit him it was over.

Here's a list for you fascist. Name everyone on the list that Sephiroth can defeat:

1.) Samus (Fusion)
2.) Pyron
3.) Hyper Sonic
4.) Dante (DMC2)
5.) Yggdrasil
6.) Master Chief
7.) Ryu (SF)
8.) Ryu (NG)
9.) Shin Akuma
10.) KOS-MOS

I assume we're talking about AC Sephiroth, so I'll go with that in these fights.

1. Sephiroth
2. Never heard of it.
3. Is that the same as Super Sonic? If so, Sephiroth.
4. Sephiroth
5. Never heard of it
6. Sephiroth
7. Sephiroth
8. Sephiroth
9. Never heard of it.
10. Isn't that the robot from Xenosaga? I've never played it so I can't compare the two.

I know just as much about Seph as you do but I don't use bull to support my case. I use facts.

😆I don't know which is more hilarious. The fact that you think you know as much about Sephiroth as me or SHM, or the fact that you think denying what we're told about Sephiroth is factual.

I am ONLY using the script that SPECIFICALLY states you can't use Black Materia on your own. You need a powerup. Where is this? A place with Spirit Energy? Northern Crater which gathered huge amounts of said energy to heal the crater left by Jenova.

Sephiroth has far more spirit energy than any one person. He summoned Meteor of his own accord. Even Aerith needed to convince people to help stop Meteor, but Sephiroth had the power to call it.

That's FACT. You can't argue it. Sephiroth was surrounded and sucking up tons of energy while he summoned Meteor and while he held off Holy.

He was sucking it up, like you said. That means that he absorbed it and made it his power, it was Sephiroth's internal power that called Meteor, not the lifestream. Quit contradicting yourself in one post. He held back Holy with his will, that had nothing to do with the lifestream.

One person's power alone won't do it. Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's energy... Oh yeah! The Promised Land!!

So, yes, Seph COULD NOT summon Meteor on his own power. And he was STILL surrounded by this energy when he held back Holy. Thus, he was getting a powerup when he held back Holy too.

He was a big leech to compensate for his own lack of power.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Not in the game, but its creators said that it was absorbing all that mako that made him into Safer Sephiroth. That Jenova argument is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Jenova was destroyed by the party before Safer even showed up, how do you merge with what doesn't exist anymore?

Oh is that why they have the head in Advent Children? You know that thing that Kadaj merged with to become Sephiroth.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader

I assume we're talking about AC Sephiroth, so I'll go with that in these fights.

1. Sephiroth
2. Never heard of it.
3. Is that the same as Super Sonic? If so, Sephiroth.
4. Sephiroth
5. Never heard of it
6. Sephiroth
7. Sephiroth
8. Sephiroth
9. Never heard of it.
10. Isn't that the robot from Xenosaga? I've never played it so I can't compare the two.

See; that proves you are a Sephiroth fanboy. I don't need to say anything else.