Sephiroth vs Samus Aran

Now i know your full of it. Fusion Samus can one-shot Prime Samus at her best. Sephiroth, by these weak and mistakenly used, arguments, barely pulled out a win (truthfully, he didn't, but my brain started to lose function continuing this debate)

Samus prime is less than Cloud, of course a more powerful Samus could one shot her. And your brain never had function to begin with, so you didn't lose it here.

Regular Sonic can move WAY faster than Sephrth and drill through massive boulders. No way is he losing in Hyper mode.

Sephiroth can teleport, there is nothing faster than instantaneous movement. And Sephiroth is just fast, he would get his ass handed to him by a SOLDIER 3rd class.

No way can Sephiroth beat Dante. Far to many ACTUAL goodies (not those speculative stuff) to work with. Plus Seph's sword would have a hard time putting him down... because he sure doesn't have spells...

Play FF VII, Sephiroth does have spells. ANd as DMC shows, while Dante's body is nigh indestructable, he can be worn out to the point of death if attacked enough. Sephiroth is more powerful than the enemies that can kill Dante.

Lol @ confirmed Sephite

Lol at the sore loser. I thought you were quitting this debate, fanboy.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Me and you are talking about AC Sephiroth, but me and Hannibal are discussing the "Sephiroth" in FF VII. The real Sephiroth is at the northern crater, the one CLoud was chasing around was Jenova, not a Sephiroth copy.

If we dont count "Jenova" feats that means we can only go off of flash back Scene in ff7 where he has highest materia and is immune to damage, Safer Sephiroth who has a wide variety of spells, Bizarro Sephiroth which is Sephiroth and Jenova Merged, Crisis Core which to be honest, ive only scene the video of Genesis + Angeal + Sephiroth fight and a few youtube clips of him cutting Zack, and Last Order. The rest is just Jenova (including AC...)

Edit: Sephiroth was shown nigh light speed stated by producers of FF7 inside the building he knocks cloud into (the part where cloud is looking arround and sephiroth zips in front of him and cuts through the pillar).
Put down by a 3rd class? is that in crisis core? if so dotn fill me in.... i eagerly await March 08, Cloud was never in soldier at all

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Me and you are talking about AC Sephiroth, but me and Hannibal are discussing the "Sephiroth" in FF VII. The real Sephiroth is at the northern crater, the one CLoud was chasing around was Jenova, not a Sephiroth copy.

That's what we said. A Jenova clone Sephiroth meaning it was a piece of Jenova (this case tentacle) that morphed into Sephiroth.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth can teleport, there is nothing faster than instantaneous movement. And Sephiroth is just fast, he would get his ass handed to him by a SOLDIER 3rd class.

Sonic can teleport; Chaos Control. And Sephiroth cannot even come close to matching Sonic's speed. Sephiroth does not travel at the speed of sound nor the speed of light both of which Sonic is capable of reaching. And Sonic can just freeze time with Chaos Control.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
That's what we said. A Jenova clone Sephiroth meaning it was a piece of Jenova (this case tentacle) that morphed into Sephiroth.

Sonic can teleport; Chaos Control. And Sephiroth cannot even come close to matching Sonic's speed. Sephiroth does not travel at the speed of sound nor the speed of light both of which Sonic is capable of reaching. And Sonic can just freeze time with Chaos Control.

A non-super sonic is capped at Mach 1 correct? and would you count Chaos control as his own power? Thats like counting black materia as SEphiroths isnt it...

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Samus prime is less than Cloud, of course a more powerful Samus could one shot her. And your brain never had function to begin with, so you didn't lose it here.

Was this a counterargument? I'm beginning to see that only insults is your way of a retort. Kill the ad hominem and rebuke please (not like you can anyway)

Sephiroth can teleport, there is nothing faster than instantaneous movement. And Sephiroth is just fast, he would get his ass handed to him by a SOLDIER 3rd class.

Like he did with Cloud?

Sephirohth is not catching up with Hyper Sonic. He'd have trouble catching up with regular Sonic. And one drill would be enough to pulverize Sephiroth yet again.

Play FF VII, Sephiroth does have spells. ANd as DMC shows, while Dante's body is nigh indestructable, he can be worn out to the point of death if attacked enough. Sephiroth is more powerful than the enemies that can kill Dante.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
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I assume we're talking about AC Sephiroth, so I'll go with that in these fights.

FFVII = AC? Since when?

It's sad you don't even remember what even you wrote. Kind of pathetic.

And Sephiroth is hurting Dante how?

Lol at the sore loser. I thought you were quitting this debate, fanboy. [/B]

Um... Fusion Samus,Sonic and Dante has what to do with this debate? Do you know what this thread topic is? It's safe to say that all those snarks at "reading comprehension" had an original source (Read: You)

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
A non-super sonic is capped at Mach 1 correct? and would you count Chaos control as his own power? Thats like counting black materia as SEphiroths isnt it...

Sonic doesn't need a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control as seen in the fact that Sonic used it when Robotnik had all seven.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Sonic doesn't need a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control as seen in the fact that Sonic used it when Robotnik had all seven.

Point taken, truth be told i am not nearly as knowledge able about Sonic than FF7 as my only expirience with it is like 1997 sega hand held and wikipedia.

But my question would be more accurately, are the emeralds the base of his Chaos control or is it him (like once he had contact with them he doesnt need them to reaccess powers)"

EDIT: YOU CANT USE AC FEATS IF UR GONNA DISREGARD THE JENOVA IN GAME FEATS SINCE THEY ARE IN BOTH RESPECTS NOT SEPHIROTH ALTHOUGH TAKEN THE FORM AND ABILITIES OF HIM! IF YOU DONT ALLOW THE JENOVA INTANGIBILITY, TELEPORTING, ETC. THEN WE ARENT USING AC SEPHIROTH

quoted instead of edit by bad

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Point taken, truth be told i am not nearly as knowledge able about Sonic than FF7 as my only expirience with it is like 1997 sega hand held and wikipedia.

But my question would be more accurately, are the emeralds the base of his Chaos control or is it him (like once he had contact with them he doesnt need them to reaccess powers)

Well he had contact with the Chaos Emeralds before he even learned of Chaos Control (Sonic Adventure 2). But it has been said that Sonic has a direct link to the Chaos Powers to an extent but Chaos Control can be further enhanced with the Emeralds. Nothing else is really known about the Chaos Emeralds other then they have an unlimited source of energy and can be further empowered by the Master Emerald to become Super Emeralds.

From the UOG. "Sephiroth was holding back Holy with his powerful will."

Do tell me what will is in this regard. How can it be quantified in a fight?

This shows you have no credibility on the matter of FF VII. If something has become a part of you, like Vincent with Hojo's experiments and Cloud with his Jenova cells and mako, you aren't leeching off of it. Also, Cloud was no wimp before Hojo's experiments, play Before Crisis.

Cloud was always a wimp. And still is.

And since the powers are NOT Cloud's or Vincent's, they ar eleeching off them. The Jenova Cells are Jenova's power. Cloud is just using it. Or was.

Is that why the book says "published by Square Enix" right on the cover, and is filled with interviews with the people who made the game? You sure do know nothing at all about FF VII.

Are you THAT retarded?

You know who PUBLISHES the Harry Potter books?

Do you know who WRITES them?

Are they the same?

The UOG is NOT written by Square, dumbshit.

The creators did not write it.

Jenova was completely braindead in FF VII

Oh. I love this argument. Heard it quite a bit.

I am eagerly awaiting ANy quote you can provide saying Jenova was "braindeaD". Find me any part of the UOG saying this. Or the creators.

Before that it was just sitting in a tube, not active at all

It was "mummified" according to the UOG.

It couldn't even signal a reunion to call Cloud and the copies

It had no reason too. It was still whole except for some cells missing. In 7's current time, it's missing its head.

I only post this, because unlike you I know the facts about FF VII.

No sources as usual. Provide proof or don't post.

The creators and myself know, and Sephiroth created it. It became non existent again after Sephiroth was defeated.

No sources as usual.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Well he had contact with the Chaos Emeralds before he even learned of Chaos Control (Sonic Adventure 2). But it has been said that Sonic has a direct link to the Chaos Powers to an extent but Chaos Control can be further enhanced with the Emeralds. Nothing else is really known about the Chaos Emeralds other then they have an unlimited source of energy and can be further empowered by the Master Emerald to become Super Emeralds.

is his "invulnerability" and unlimited "power" only to a certain extent... i would think so hence they can be further empowered meaning they are finite

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
is his "invulnerability" and unlimited "power" only to a certain extent... i would think so hence they can be further empowered meaning they are finite

invulerability is unkown, isnt it shown just in gameplay...mechanic and "unlimited power supply" it means

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
is his "invulnerability" and unlimited "power" only to a certain extent... i would think so hence they can be further empowered meaning they are finite

The Chaos Emeralds have an unlimited source of power. That power isn't its full potential and Super Sonic isn't fully invincible; in fact a god (Solaris) has been the only thing that proves to harm Super Sonic and that was pure gameplay. The Master Emerald on the other hand unlocks its full potential thus becoming Super Emeralds.

Having an unlimited source of power just means you can't run out of power but you still have limits whereas Hyper Sonic is no longer bound to those limits since the Super Emeralds have reached that potential. Understand or did I not explain it clear enough?

Ok: just double checking, has hypersonic been hurt?

Do tell me what will is in this regard. How can it be quantified in a fight?

If he can hold back the most powerful defensive magic with just his mind, he can hold back almost anything.

Cloud was always a wimp. And still is.

And since the powers are NOT Cloud's or Vincent's, they ar eleeching off them. The Jenova Cells are Jenova's power. Cloud is just using it. Or was

You really don't know anything about Cloud either I see. As a normal human and grunt in SHinRa's army, he picked up a huge sword and wook out a squad of elite AVALANCHE warriors, thats not something a weimp could do.

They are a part of Cloud and Vincent, the Jenova cells were removed from Cloud in AC, but the mako is still in him and part of him.

Are you THAT retarded?

You know who PUBLISHES the Harry Potter books?

Do you know who WRITES them?

Are they the same?

The UOG is NOT written by Square, dumbshit.

The creators did not write it.

Yes they did silly. The book is full of interviews with the creators, all of the information within is credited to them, and its published by SE. It is illegal to credit something to someone if they didn't actually say it, and SE wouldn't publish a book about one of their games if it was a lie. Looks like you're the retard, as usual.

It was "mummified" according to the UOG.

I thought you didn't believe the UOG.... I'd appreciate if you'd stick to one story. Also, thats what I'm talking about, things that are mummified aren't active, so I was right in saying it was inactive.

It had no reason too. It was still whole except for some cells missing. In 7's current time, it's missing its head.

It had been missing its head since 5 years before FF VII. It also kept getting its cells taken from it. It couldn't use the reunion call, because it was inactive, Sephiroth had to trigger it.

No sources as usual. Provide proof or don't post.

I already posted a source, I said it weas all in the UOG. You're the one who's only source is his flawed and ignorant mind. Learn to debate and source your stuff or don't post.

No sources as usual.

Its in the UOG, I sauf that and then you agreed with that source. No logic or sources from you as usual.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
1. Lets see, the creators said he used his powerful will to hold back holy, will is mental strength, mental strength can only be physically manifested to hold back something through TK. This isn't rocket science, when you get a little older you'll understand.

2. No, he didn't have an amp silly. He grew more powerful and then used his own strength to call Meteor, that's the only way it can work. Play FF VII please.

3. It doesn't how much you care about my interpretation when mine is right. Like he said, he meant that because Sephiroth can control the lifestream, which is the source of all the other characters most powerful attacks, he can perform attacks more powerful than any other character.😖arcastic:

4. Yeah, I've provided more evidence from the games and movie than anyone else has, on top of the fact that I've also been using quotes from the games creators. And my attacking your age isn't a cop out child, because I have responded to each idiotic point you've tried to make it is only me adding insult to injury because I don't like foolish people. It could only be a cop out if I ignored the rest of your post, which I clearly did not. Kids these days.

2. He grew more powerful from the amp. Read Nik's post.

3. Oh really, THAT'S what he meant? Guess what, that is what I have been saying. You think that just because Seph is stronger, and one guy can do sumthin, Seph can do sumthin similar, only more powerful. BULLSHIT.

4. No, have you provided a vid, link, or ANYTHING as proof? No, you haven't. Your word is not proof. YOu provide no links to your quotes. Yeah, you ignored my post moron, you try to ruin my credibility by attacking my age, which is a debate fallacy I think, just not sure which one. Btw, how old are you? 12?

Also,if you think Seph beats Hyper Sonic, you are an idiot fanboy.

Aerith said that one person alone couldn't use the Black Materia. This is why Sephiroth absorbed the spirit energy of many people during 5 years before FFVII. And then, it became part of him... Because he absorbed it. So we can say that he was using his own power.

It's the same with Kefka, for example. He needed the help of the statues in the begining, BUT after absorbing their power, it became part of him.

And Seph absorbing spirit energy in 5 years, is the explanation of why he can use magic without Materia. Because Materia IS spirit energy condensed in physical form.

About his intangibility: Sephiroth's human body is gone. It was destroyed in the Northern Crater. After that, he created a new one, using the cells in the box(in AC). In the movie, Sephiroth IS Jenova. Because the human Sephiroth(with human body) don't exist anymore(destroyed in the crater) and Jenova's conssciousnes don't exist too(brain-dead during mos of FFVII, and completelly dead after the "Jenova Synthesis battle"😉.
The only way for Sephiroth to manifest himself in the physical world, is by using her cells. And that makes him, the new Jenova.

This is why he can turn intangible.

Something interesting to note, is that Sephiroth's Timeline in the Compilation Ultimania, describes everything Jenova did when being controlled by him. It's in his Timeline, so I think we can agree it was Sephiroth. Not his human body, but it WAS him.

During FFVII, Sephiroth have two different bodies, and in AC he have only one. But it's him.
Some people have to understand that Jenova and Sephiroth aren't separated. They aren't two different beings. She is only an extension of himself, nothing more nothing less.

Since he came after her, he's an extension of her. A stronger extention with greater power and intelligence? Yes. But still just an extension as without the power she gave him as a fetus to start off with, he'd never have been anything special.

@Fascist: i'm done with you You're even worse than SHM. You don't back up anything you say. You say "this was said" but when asked for an actual link to the source, you don't comply. I've proven you wrong on a few things now with actual dead-on quotes and all youu've done is shift your argument to try and explain away these quotes to suit your position.