Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Never seen hulk hit anybody to the moonTHe closest thing in recent memory is him kicking monet to jersey
yeah hulk seems more into beating people into paste than launching people into orbit. something etrigan would possibly try given the threat WWH would be.
Etrigan could do it but for the sake of the thread it might be better to say yeah he can, but what would happen in a straight up fight.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Ok, so you want a numerical value. In Planet Hulk, he held together two tectonic plates. This is before he got upgraded to his now famous WWH strength level.Let's calculate the mass of a tectonic plate on Earth's crust for comparison:
The lithosphere, consisting mainly of the cold, rigid, rocky crust of the earth extends to depths of 100 km (60 mi). The rocks of the lithosphere have an average density of 2.7 g/cm3 and are almost entirely made up of 11 elements, which together account for about 99.5 percent of its mass. The most abundant is oxygen (about 46.60 percent of the total), followed by silicon (about 27.72 percent), aluminum (8.13 percent), iron (5.0 percent), calcium (3.63 percent), sodium (2.83 percent), potassium (2.59 percent), magnesium (2.09 percent) and titanium, hydrogen, and phosphorus (totaling less than 1 percent). In addition, 11 other elements are present in trace amounts of 0.1 to 0.02 percent. These elements, in order of abundance, are carbon, manganese, sulfur, barium, chlorine, chromium, fluorine, zirconium, nickel, strontium, and vanadium. The elements are present in the lithosphere almost entirely in the form of compounds rather than in their free state. These compounds exist almost entirely in the crystalline state, so they are, by definition, minerals.
The lithosphere comprises two shells :the crust and upper mantle that are divided into a dozen or so rigid tectonic plates. The crust itself is divided in two. The sialic or upper crust, of which the continents consist, is made up of igneous and sedimentary rocks whose average chemical composition is similar to that of granite and whose density is about 2.7 g/cm3. The simatic or lower crust, which forms the floors of the ocean basins, is made of darker, heavier igneous rocks such as gabbro and basalt, with an average density of about 3. Taking all of this and some other factors into consideration, we get:
volume = 5.054 x10^19 cubic meters
density of 2.7 g/cm3
mass = 1.365 x10^23 kg = 2.18 % of earth's mass
= 2.72 % of earth's volumeTherefore if we divide this value into 12 (the given amount of tectonic plates on Earth), we have a value as follows:
mass per plate = 1.1375 x10^22 kg, or in terms of tons, 1.13 x10^19 metric tons (in layman's terms, that's 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons).
In other words, to even budge a tectonic plate, given that it is constantly forced against other tectonic plates, it requires trillions of tons of force at the [b]bare minimum
. What Hulk did was counter that force - counter trillions of tons of force being pressed in opposite directions. This is while getting burned by magma at the same time.WWH for the win, 10/10.
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I am in full agreement with this entire statement. No one here has been able to counter this argument, only try to cover it up with Bullsh&t. They all know that Etrigan would get his ass beat. Great post.
Originally posted by Accel
I don't think it's that simple. Thor's punched some one into orbit before, but he hasn't done that in any other of his fight before.
Who did Thor punch into orbit? Was whoever it was the same caliber as Superman? Another thing, the moon is alot farther than just going into orbit.
Really, what else has Etrigan done besides punching Superman to the moon? [/B]
People forget that Etrigan also has mystical abilities being that he is a demon. Because of this he was inducted as part of the "cosmic star" which included Highfather, Darkseid, Orion, and Dr. Fate to help defeat the Anti-Life Entity. Any member of that cosmic star would pwn Hulk with Orion having the most trouble but with the Astro Force he could get the job done.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Who did Thor punch into orbit? Was whoever it was the same caliber as Superman? Another thing, the moon is alot farther than just going into orbit.
My main point is that he's doesn't punch people into orbit on a regularly basis.
Originally posted by Sundipped
People forget that Etrigan also has mystical abilities being that he is a demon. Because of this he was inducted as part of the "cosmic star" which included Highfather, Darkseid, Orion, and Dr. Fate to help defeat the Anti-Life Entity. Any member of that cosmic star would pwn Hulk with Orion having the most trouble but with the Astro Force he could get the job done.
Punching someone into orbit isn't really that great of a strength feat...
I mean, how much could Superman, Etrigan, or that Asgardian Warrior way? Probably anywhere from 250-700lbs...which is a weight anyone who is at least class 50 should have no problem picking up and flinging around like a doll.
Hell, the Thing could walk up to Superman and probably punch him to the moon, given that Superman gave him the free punch (although I seriously doubt it would hurt him).
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Punching someone into orbit isn't really that great of a strength feat...I mean, how much could Superman, Etrigan, or that Asgardian Warrior way? Probably anywhere from 250-700lbs...which is a weight anyone who is at least class 50 should have no problem picking up and flinging around like a doll.
Hell, the Thing could walk up to Superman and probably punch him to the moon, given that Superman gave him the free punch (although I seriously doubt it would hurt him).
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Except supermans body is as durable as a planet(probably more)so...alot of the force would be dissapated on impact,if etrigan threw him to the moon you would be correct but he punched him there,its a big difference.
Superman only weighs a couple hundred pounds. Punching him to the moon is not that big of a strength feat. Hulk has smashed a planetoid twice the mass of the Earth, that's a bigger strength feat than knocking a 200 lb guy to the moon.
Superman's body being durable has nothing to do with his mass.
Originally posted by Galan007
And Strange remarked that he could defeat Hulk with the merest flick of his finger or somesuch -- He simply never even tried to do so.So please do not even attempt to say that WWH > Strange. srsly
He's most likely referring to the strange / Zom combination, which is actually relevant to the fight, and here is why: Strange / Zom was a top tier mystical being with insane strength along with brute mystic force. Facing Etrigan would probably go similarly; there is nothing Etrigan can do to put out Hulk for good. Sure he will put some serious damage on Hulk in the beginning of the fight, but the longer the fight goes on the less likely Etrigan has a chance of winning.
In the first few pages of the fight Hulk would be taking lots of damage, but in a page or so later it would be completely healed.
Yes of course it's true that if Strange just used a spell on WWH to BFR him or worse, Hulk would have been dead, nobody doubts that, but it's shown that Hulk does have some amount of resistance to even mystic attacks. Hulk has broken the bands of Cytorrak cast by Strange, he has resisted Strange's mind attack, and he has fought mystic class beings before and won.
Etrigan doesn't have the multitude and variety of spells that Strange has either, so his mystical strengths won't be much use in this battle. Hulk has already survived being struck by Storm's lightning and a full forced Nova flame from Human Torch and wasn't even phased, so Etrigan's Hellfire isn't going to K.O. him. We have seen that Hulk possesses an inordinate resistance to heat and cold in past iterations; WWH form only ampilfies those resistances even further.
Originally posted by KutuluThis feat would go more towards Hulk's durability than his strength -- [simply because he was able to take the abuse of smashing into something like that].
Hulk has smashed a planetoid twice the mass of the Earth,
Firing a high caliber bullet at a watermelon, isn't that much different then this particular feat -- imo.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Superman only weighs a couple hundred pounds. Punching him to the moon is not that big of a strength feat. Hulk has smashed a planetoid twice the mass of the Earth, that's a bigger strength feat than knocking a 200 lb guy to the moon.Superman's body being durable has nothing to do with his mass.
Originally posted by Kutulu
He's most likely referring to the strange / Zom combination, which is actually relevant to the fight, and here is why: Strange / Zom was a top tier mystical being with insane strength along with brute mystic force. Facing Etrigan would probably go similarly; there is nothing Etrigan can do to put out Hulk for good. Sure he will put some serious damage on Hulk in the beginning of the fight, but the longer the fight goes on the less likely Etrigan has a chance of winning.In the first few pages of the fight Hulk would be taking lots of damage, but in a page or so later it would be completely healed.
Yes of course it's true that if Strange just used a spell on WWH to BFR him or worse, Hulk would have been dead, nobody doubts that, but it's shown that Hulk does have some amount of resistance to even mystic attacks. Hulk has broken the bands of Cytorrak cast by Strange, he has resisted Strange's mind attack, and he has fought mystic class beings before and won.
Etrigan doesn't have the multitude and variety of spells that Strange has either, so his mystical strengths won't be much use in this battle. Hulk has already survived being struck by Storm's lightning and a full forced Nova flame from Human Torch and wasn't even phased, so Etrigan's Hellfire isn't going to K.O. him. We have seen that Hulk possesses an inordinate resistance to heat and cold in past iterations; WWH form only ampilfies those resistances even further.
You are doing well, no one addresses your points, they skim around them. I agree with you completely.
Originally posted by Accel
[B]It was an Asgardian warrior. IIRC he was able to give Thor a good fight in H2H.
Ok so Superman>>>>Asgardian warrior
My main point is that he's doesn't punch people into orbit on a regularly basis.
Maybe not but the strength can't be denied.
Good for him. So what's he done?
Just being a part of that star should tell u what he's capable of. Any 1 on that star would trash Hulk. Why do u need any more feats?
Originally posted by Kutulu
He's most likely referring to the strange / Zom combination, which is actually relevant to the fight, and here is why: Strange / Zom was a top tier mystical being with insane strength along with brute mystic force. Facing Etrigan would probably go similarly; there is nothing Etrigan can do to put out Hulk for good. Sure he will put some serious damage on Hulk in the beginning of the fight, but the longer the fight goes on the less likely Etrigan has a chance of winning.In the first few pages of the fight Hulk would be taking lots of damage, but in a page or so later it would be completely healed.
Yes of course it's true that if Strange just used a spell on WWH to BFR him or worse, Hulk would have been dead, nobody doubts that, but it's shown that Hulk does have some amount of resistance to even mystic attacks. Hulk has broken the bands of Cytorrak cast by Strange, he has resisted Strange's mind attack, and he has fought mystic class beings before and won.
Etrigan doesn't have the multitude and variety of spells that Strange has either, so his mystical strengths won't be much use in this battle. Hulk has already survived being struck by Storm's lightning and a full forced Nova flame from Human Torch and wasn't even phased, so Etrigan's Hellfire isn't going to K.O. him. We have seen that Hulk possesses an inordinate resistance to heat and cold in past iterations; WWH form only ampilfies those resistances even further.
except that Strange says that before he gets his hands broken, and is referring only to himself, not to the Strange/Zom combo. sooo... no.