Originally posted by Accel
So, what else has Etrigan done besides the punch-to-the-moon feat?
good point!
That feat might be PIS. You guys know better than me as I know almost nothing of Etrigan, except that feat and that he has some form of superhuman speed. So if it is consistent for Etrigan to have that type of strength then it definitely wins the majority.
Originally posted by h1a8
But what if Hulk gets beat to the point of ko? There's no getting stronger there.
Sentry flew at the Hulk during WWH 5 with full force, enough force to shatter a huge whole in the stadium as a side effect, Hulk got back up no problem. This is the same Sentry that broke Terrax's axe like it was nothing (Terrax the herald of Galactus).
Now in this forum characters are to use the best strategy available as long as it is within their character to do so. It is well within Etrigan's character to hit hulk into space for the win. So this is the exact strategy it will employ in this fight.
Hulk can do the exact same thing to Etrigan.
But that is if Etrigan hits Hulk first (something that it's fast enough to do).
So, for the sake of argument, I will give Hulk a 30% chance of hitting Etrigan first and a 10% chance that WWH is capable of finishing it after this hit. So that means WWH has a 3% chance of winning (or preventing himself from being hit to space). Thus it is clear that Etrigan wins the majority here due to BFR.
50 % of all statistics are bullshit.
Now one last thing. It literally takes an unimaginable force to hit or even less throw anyone into orbit. I've calculated the force that Hulk needs to jump a 1 mile vertical distance (which equates to an approximate 3 mile horizontal distance) and the number isn't pretty by any means. This is because air resistance is a super bi#4tch. So launching anyone in orbit will be have even a more very very nasty number to it. And launcing anyone to the moon will have an utterly disgusting number.
Look at the scans I posted. Hulk jumped from the moon, to planet Sakaar, while non-enraged, survived freefall onto the planet, and got back up with a smile on his face like nothing happened. Tell me how much strength that would require, then realize that is a non-enraged Hulk. That is to say that this is a weaker Hulk then he is at his WWH levels.
Hulk ripped out a chunk of the ground so huge that he shattered a mountain with it. He held the tectonic plates of a planet together while getting burned with magma. There is no way that Etrigan will KO the Hulk through pure physical force. His only chance will be through BFR, and if you look at the character of Etrigan himself, that's not something that is in his character to do.
Etrigan loves to fight, and he loves to receive pain as much as he likes dishing it out, it's part of his demonic heritage.
Here is Sentry punching Hulk full force:
Hulk getting back up like nothing proceeds to battle Sentry:
This is the same Sentry that manhandled a herald of Galactus like nothing:
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Hulk has also beaten Gladiator to a pulp, who can literally destroy planets by punching them and travel through the heart of a sun.
Hulk has fought and won against people who can destroy planets. He can hold together tectonic plates and can smash mountains like nothing.
He has experience fighting people that can move fast as well. Etrigan isn't close to being as fast as Superman. Just because he punched Superman doesnt' mean he's a speedster, slower heroes land punches all the time in comics.
Etrigan's physical attacks are just not strong enough to K.O. Hulk in one shot, at least not in his WWH phase. If you were saying this was versus Savage Hulk, then yeah Etrigan would stand a good chance of winning. WWH however isn't going to fight like an idiot and let himself get punched into outer space or the moon.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Sentry flew at the Hulk during WWH 5 with full force, enough force to shatter a huge whole in the stadium as a side effect, Hulk got back up no problem. This is the same Sentry that broke Terrax's axe like it was nothing (Terrax the herald of Galactus).Hulk can do the exact same thing to Etrigan.
50 % of all statistics are bullshit.
Look at the scans I posted. Hulk jumped from the moon, to planet Sakaar, while non-enraged, survived freefall onto the planet, and got back up with a smile on his face like nothing happened. Tell me how much strength that would require, then realize that is a non-enraged Hulk. That is to say that this is a weaker Hulk then he is at his WWH levels.
Hulk ripped out a chunk of the ground so huge that he shattered a mountain with it. He held the tectonic plates of a planet together while getting burned with magma. There is no way that Etrigan will KO the Hulk through pure physical force. His [b]only
chance will be through BFR, and if you look at the character of Etrigan himself, that's not something that is in his character to do.Etrigan loves to fight, and he loves to receive pain as much as he likes dishing it out, it's part of his demonic heritage. [/B]
1. You are implying that Sentry is strong as or stronger than Etrigan just because he broke Terrax's axe. You know that energy powers could have played a role in that breaking right? Plus how do you know that Etrigan couldn't do the same?
2. Yes Hulk could do the same to Etrigan but only less than 3% probability for the probability of his strength being sufficienct multiplied with the probability that he hits Etrigan first, whose faster, is less than 3%. But guess what? Etrigan can fly back and Hulk can't.
3. And guess what? You are also using the silly reasoning that I warned about in my previous post. You are implying that it's impossible for anyone to KO hulk off physical force. How do you know how strong Etrigan is? Plus Etrigan don't have to ko Hulk. He could just BFR him (which is in his character). Otherwise, you are saying that he will punch Hulk into space and then go an retrieve him so that he can fight with him some more. Sounds nutty but you know Etrigan better than me.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Here is Sentry punching Hulk full force:Hulk getting back up like nothing proceeds to battle Sentry:
This is the same Sentry that manhandled a herald of Galactus like nothing:
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http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010169mw.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts010170vk.jpgHulk has also beaten Gladiator to a pulp, who can literally destroy planets by punching them and travel through the heart of a sun.
Hulk has fought and won against people who can destroy planets. He can hold together tectonic plates and can smash mountains like nothing.
He has experience fighting people that can move fast as well. Etrigan isn't close to being as fast as Superman. Just because he punched Superman doesnt' mean he's a speedster, slower heroes land punches all the time in comics.
Etrigan's physical attacks are just not strong enough to K.O. Hulk in one shot, at least not in his WWH phase. If you were saying this was versus Savage Hulk, then yeah Etrigan would stand a good chance of winning. WWH however isn't going to fight like an idiot and let himself get punched into outer space or the moon.
Sentry is not necessarily stronger than Etrigan. Hulk's strength and durability is not constant. He will not always have the strength or durability that his fantastic feats shows. Thus that is why I give him a probability on these. And Etrigan, while not being fast as Superman, does have super speed. But I did give Hulk a huge chunk of probability that he can hit Etrigan first. Which was very generous on my part knowing that Hulk is slower.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk has also beaten Gladiator to a pulp, who can literally destroy planets by punching them and travel through the heart of a sun.
You should also know that Gladiator's strength and durability is not constant as well. Hell, Classic Colossus went toe to toe with him. Just because Hulk beat him up doesn't mean he beat a planet busting being up that can travel through the heart of a sun. I need to see that feat nonetheless. Please post it or point me to the direction in which I can find it.
