Etrigan vs WWh

Originally posted by Kutulu

Check out when he started going off on "classic" Juggernaut:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/juggslayout.jpg

Juggernaut was clearly winded from being punched.

Wasn't that a mere illusion?

Originally posted by Kutulu

Yes of course it's true that if Strange just used a spell on WWH to BFR him or worse, Hulk would have been dead, nobody doubts that, but it's shown that Hulk does have some amount of resistance to even mystic attacks. Hulk has broken the bands of Cytorrak cast by Strange, he has resisted Strange's mind attack, and he has fought mystic class beings before and won.

Hasn't Namor broken down those same bands? It's old news that he's very resistant to TP, so nothing new there. Also, Wolverine has fought against Hulk before and won. Doesn't mean he would win always.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Wow.

I really,really need to make that Etrigan respect thread...

When i first saw this thread, i went to look for his respect thread....not sure who would win, but from the little i do know about etrigan. i will go with wwhulk ,so i am only guessing

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Wow.

I really,really need to make that Etrigan respect thread...

was thinking the same thing

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Wasn't that a mere illusion?

The Juggernaut really did get punched. They were trying to project an illusion into Hulk's mind, and he overpowered it and punched Juggernaut for real.

Originally posted by starlock
When i first saw this thread, i went to look for his respect thread....not sure who would win, but from the little i do know about etrigan. i will go with wwhulk ,so i am only guessing

Etrigan is a very powerful Demon. He went toe to toe with Lobo with no difficulty, and their strength and durability seemed to be matched fairly evenly. As mentioned earlier in this thread, he is no slouch in either the strength or durability departments, and he can also project extremely hot demon fire breath.

That being said, he just does not have what it takes to put down WWH for the count. Beginning of the match would start off in Etrigan's favor, as his base strength starts out higher, but that advantage will quickly evaporate a few seconds into the fight.

I actually have a lot of respect for Etrigan and own quite a few of his comics. The story where he tries to take over Hell is awesome and a good read.

Hulk during the Planet Hulk saga, at base level, could jump from the moon to his planet, survive the freefall and just land into the ground, and get up smiling, not angry in the slightest. He could also lift up a spaceship that based upon it's size looked like it would weigh anywhere from 10,000 tons on up. That's at his base level before the WWH transformation took over, which amplified his base level of strength tremendously, since he was taught to meditate on his rage and hold that state of anger indefinitely.

I have a great deal of respect for Etrigan, but he just doesn't have what it takes to win this fight. As everybody who ready WWH4 saw, Hulk can get a hole blown through his mid-section and have it fully healed within mere seconds. In WWH 5 Sentry comes flying at him and punches him full force and he gets up like nothing.

The thread starter who said that WWH's base strength is 320 tons is a joke. We see him lift far a spaceship that would be in the 10,000 ton range with a single hand, not straining in the least, in a calm state no less, and this is pre-WWH levels of strength. His base strength as WWH would have to be at least in the hundreds of thousands of tons.

Originally posted by Kutulu

The thread starter who said that WWH's base strength is 320 tons is a joke. We see him lift far a spaceship that would be in the 10,000 ton range with a single hand, not straining in the least, in a calm state no less, and this is pre-WWH levels of strength. His base strength as WWH would have to be at least in the hundreds of thousands of tons.

You see, at some point, we have to call "foul" on these rediculous feats, or they can't be used, unless there is more of an explanation.

If a writer has an ordinary french poodle, walk onto the pages, and kill Galactus, without any explanation, should it be used?

Or, if a frog hops out of a pond, and destroys a house, is that canon?

I will tell you this: 10,000 tons, concentrated at one point of the structure, (as he picks it up with one hand), is a joke! All that weight, focused at one point on the hull, would tear right through.

Rule #1
That's how DAMAGE works! Bullets, blades, spikes and spears. Get it?

A 150 billion ton mountain, with all it's weight focused onto the two peices of rock that the Hulk was holding, would have just crumbled into dust in his hands, with the mountain falling around him, unless it was on a gigantic plate of adamantium.

Again, see Rule #1, above.

At least Gladiator and the Baxter Building was explained away as TK.

Just remember, it has been proven time and time again, that the clothes worn by the hulk, are just as resilient as his hide. If we go by panel.

Originally posted by Horrificus
You see, at some point, we have to call "foul" on these rediculous feats, or they can't be used, unless there is more of an explanation.

If a writer has an ordinary french poodle, walk onto the pages, and kill Galactus, without any explanation, should it be used?

Or, if a frog hops out of a pond, and destroys a house, is that canon?

I will tell you this: 10,000 tons, concentrated at one point of the structure, (as he picks it up with one hand), is a joke! All that weight, focused at one point on the hull, would tear right through.

Rule #1
That's how DAMAGE works! Bullets, blades, spikes and spears. Get it?

A 150 billion ton mountain, with all it's weight focused onto the two peices of rock that the Hulk was holding, would have just crumbled into dust in his hands, with the mountain falling around him, unless it was on a gigantic plate of adamantium.

Again, see Rule #1, above.

At least Gladiator and the Baxter Building was explained away as TK.

Just remember, it has been proven time and time again, that the clothes worn by the hulk, are just as resilient as his hide. If we go by panel.

ANY hero who has strength beyond a few tons and can lift a building or a spaceship has to have TK in some form or another, otherwise all of comicdom would be PIS.

Therefore it's only logical that he has tactile TK, as I stated earlier, when I mentioned that Hulk has been able to rip through energy before using only his hands (physically impossible), or recovering from getting his arm phased into the ground by Kitty (physically impossible without either tacticle TK, shapechanging, or a combination of both).

To further prove the point, during some of his battles it actually shook multiple dimensions, another feat that would be impossible with only pure physical strength.

Don't forget that Hulk beat the crap out of Gladiator, who can move planets, destroy planets, and easily survive being in the core of a sun.

Here is the scan when Hulk fought Ironclad and the effects rippled through countless dimensions:

Here he smashes his way through a time storm (yet when DC allows Superman One Million to smash through the time barrier, nobody questions it, Hulk does something similar and everybody is in an uproar).

Face it, Hulk possesses more than just physical power. He can see and affect Astral and energy forms that other people can't even perceive. He trapped Vision inside of his body. He recovered from having his arms phased into the ground, and resisted the combined telepathic abilities of both Professor Xavier and Emma Frost.

He's no mere common brick.

Here is an excellent example of Hulk's resistance amping up along with his anger:

Originally posted by Kutulu
Here is the scan when Hulk fought Ironclad and the effects rippled through countless dimensions:

Here he smashes his way through a time storm (yet when DC allows Superman One Million to smash through the time barrier, nobody questions it, Hulk does something similar and everybody is in an uproar).

Face it, Hulk possesses more than just physical power. He can see and affect Astral and energy forms that other people can't even perceive. He trapped Vision inside of his body. He recovered from having his arms phased into the ground, and resisted the combined telepathic abilities of both Professor Xavier and Emma Frost.

He's no mere common brick.

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People get so furious at Hulk fanboys that they don't bother to take him serious for once and actually try to think out his feats.

He's got so many "PIS" feats that they're not even PIS anymore...he consistently has done off the wall feats that people refuse to believe capable from a common brick.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
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People get so furious at Hulk fanboys that they don't bother to take him serious for once and actually try to think out his feats.

He's got so many "PIS" feats that they're not even PIS anymore...he consistently has done off the wall feats that people refuse to believe capable from a common brick.

My point exactly.

Let's look at his ability to grab energy with his hands - you could say it was PIS if it happened once or twice, but when he's done it tens of times over the course of 40 years, it's no longer PIS, it's now part of his powerset. When he casually lifts a ten thousand ton spaceship with one arm while he's not angry, that's just how much stronger Planet Hulk has made him, it's not PIS anymore. If you're going to say him lifting the spaceship without it collapsing is PIS, then you have to say the same thing about Superman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, etc. - the list goes on and on, there is no reason to single out the Hulk for using tactile TK.

I personally can't stand the character because of this stuff. But, if it was just finally explained, as Kutulu and I are saying, that a lot of the BIG things he is doing, isn't just a matter of "strong", it would be easier to swallow, and more interesting.

As far as I can tell, the only character that has ever been able to even effect and destroy Hulk's clothes, was when Vector flayed the meat off him.

Indestructible clothes, lifting a mountain without his feet sinking into the ground, adamantium-crushing robots that can't even cut his often-cut skin.

Sounds like we are talking about "force fields" of some sort.

Yeah basically every super strong comic character makes no sense. Lifting incredibly large objects without it falling apart, surviving/holding black holes, everything pre-crisis superman has done... I think we can assume they're possible in comics without some extra telekinesis or something since it happens so much. (although it is nice if they offer some explanation, it happens enough that we don't really need it to accept the feat. Like how people with no powers can dodge bullets after they've been fired...)

And we all know the explanation for indestructible clothes (which is on pretty much every superhero anyway). Like was said before, if it happens once, you can call it PIS, if it happens again and again thats part of his powerset.

oh and it technically was an adamantium "crushing" robot. so maybe it can just crush adamantium and not cut it 😛 (That was suppose to be a weak joke. That feat is kind of annoying to me too.)

Who have win? Sentry or Hulk?

Originally posted by Kutulu
Here is an excellent example of Hulk's resistance amping up along with his anger:

oh dear god

hulk has nipples... hard nipples....

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
oh dear god

hulk has nipples... hard nipples....

By the Hoary Hosts of Haggoth!!! They even gave Hulk's nipple an areola!!!

I seem to have pooped in my trousers.

Originally posted by Horrificus
By the Hoary Hosts of Haggoth!!! They even gave Hulk's nipple an areola!!!

I seem to have pooped in my trousers.

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With all common sense (and no lying to myself and without the slightest bias) WWH isn't as strong as Etrigan on average. Let's say that the probability that Hulk's strength exceeds that of Etrigan is 10% (after all, it is less than 10% of the time that Hulk arguebly shows equal or greater strength than that of Etrigan). Now a lot of Hulk fans always say that the more Hulk gets beat down then the more stronger he will become. This is true to a certain extent. But what if Hulk gets beat to the point of ko? There's no getting stronger there. Now many if not all of Hulk fans will deny that its even possible for anyone to Ko Hulk. Now this is utter absurdity. For Hulk has been Koed countless times. Thus it is certainly possible for that to happen.

Now in this forum characters are to use the best strategy available as long as it is within their character to do so. It is well within Etrigan's character to hit hulk into space for the win. So this is the exact strategy it will employ in this fight.

But that is if Etrigan hits Hulk first (something that it's fast enough to do).
So, for the sake of argument, I will give Hulk a 30% chance of hitting Etrigan first and a 10% chance that WWH is capable of finishing it after this hit. So that means WWH has a 3% chance of winning (or preventing himself from being hit to space). Thus it is clear that Etrigan wins the majority here due to BFR.

Now one last thing. It literally takes an unimaginable force to hit or even less throw anyone into orbit. I've calculated the force that Hulk needs to jump a 1 mile vertical distance (which equates to an approximate 3 mile horizontal distance) and the number isn't pretty by any means. This is because air resistance is a super bi#4tch. So launching anyone in orbit will be have even a more very very nasty number to it. And launcing anyone to the moon will have an utterly disgusting number.

Hulk win. Hulk isn't a one dimensional brick like people seems to think... He got asside "abilities" and a will power that maked him beat Thor, and would make him beat Etrigan.

What happened in the last fight against Sentry?

Originally posted by h1a8
With all common sense (and no lying to myself and without the slightest bias) WWH isn't as strong as Etrigan on average. Let's say that the probability that Hulk's strength exceeds that of Etrigan is 10% (after all, it is less than 10% of the time that Hulk arguebly shows equal or greater strength than that of Etrigan).