Church Fined Millions for Anti-Gay Protest at Funeral

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Church Fined Millions for Anit-Gay Protest at Funeral

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/01/ap/national/main3439663.shtml

"BALTIMORE, United States (AFP) - - A court on Wednesday ordered an evangelical church to pay 11 million dollars in damages to the father of a US Marine killed in Iraq for causing distress by picketing his son's funeral claiming the war is a punishment for tolerating gays.

The jury ruled that members of the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church caused mental suffering to Albert Snyder, who says he became depressed after they paraded outside the funeral of his 20-year-old son Matthew in 2006.

They waved signs reading "Thank God for dead soldiers," and "*** troops."

A video of the protests was played in court during the week-long trial of church members Fred Phelps, who founded the church in 1955, and two of his daughters, Shirley Phelps-Roper and Rebekah Phelps-Davis.

Their lawyer Jonathan Katz said the funeral was a public event and their actions were protected by the constitutional rights to free speech and religious expression.

But the jury decided Wednesday the church members should pay 2.9 million dollars in compensation and a further eight million in punitive damages for "mental pain and suffering" caused to Snyder, and for invading his privacy.

The church says the United States is losing troops because it tolerates gays, including in the military -- hence the many protests it has held at military funerals such as Snyder's. His sexuality was not an issue at the trial.

It claims to have carried out similar pickets more than 30,000 times, but the Baltimore case was the first one involving a funeral protest to go to trial."

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"BALTIMORE, United States (AFP) - - A court on Wednesday ordered an evangelical church to pay 11 million dollars in damages to the father of a US Marine killed in Iraq for causing distress by picketing his son's funeral claiming the war is a punishment for tolerating gays.

The jury ruled that members of the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church caused mental suffering to Albert Snyder, who says he became depressed after they paraded outside the funeral of his 20-year-old son Matthew in 2006.

They waved signs reading "Thank God for dead soldiers," and "*** troops."

A video of the protests was played in court during the week-long trial of church members Fred Phelps, who founded the church in 1955, and two of his daughters, Shirley Phelps-Roper and Rebekah Phelps-Davis.

Their lawyer Jonathan Katz said the funeral was a public event and their actions were protected by the constitutional rights to free speech and religious expression.

But the jury decided Wednesday the church members should pay 2.9 million dollars in compensation and a further eight million in punitive damages for "mental pain and suffering" caused to Snyder, and for invading his privacy.

The church says the United States is losing troops because it tolerates gays, including in the military -- hence the many protests it has held at military funerals such as Snyder's. His sexuality was not an issue at the trial.

It claims to have carried out similar pickets more than 30,000 times, but the Baltimore case was the first one involving a funeral protest to go to trial."

Anata wa wakarimasu ka.....

Re: Church Fined Millions for Anit-Gay Protest at Funeral

It's not right, the 11 million dollars... it's the Phelps though, they're pieces of shit, so "HaHa".

I do find it baffling, that they call the soldiers "f@gs", of all things.

Its the American legal system being able to claim "mental anguish" as damages. Since it is a civil case, and because of them "showing harm" (lol from a Canadian perspective) its not a freedom of protest/speech issue...

I really don't agree with the verdict, but I also don't mind seeing negative things happen to these people. When they die we should all make a pilgrimage to hold a concert or rave or whatever during the proceedings.

I heard today that the Church that is doing the protests where given a change, before the law suit was filed, to apologize and promise to stop the protests. Therefore, I think they deserve what they got.

They can afford those sorts of fines? WTF>!>!!!?!?!

Originally posted by chithappens
They can afford those sorts of fines? WTF>!>!!!?!?!

When someone adopts an extremist mentality that is so far outside of societal norms...they are usually willing to devote all of their resources to their cause. It becomes a pride issue for them when something comes up that they don't agree with. (They already committed to the faith so when something comes up that shows them that they are not doing things morally right or otherwise, they refuse to change their ways/religion because of their pride.)

This type of mentality is the same mentality that causes terrorist attacks...however, I would say that it is far more acceptable to be a suicide bomber if you are Muslim than it is if you are a christian protesting at funerals of soldiers. I don't know of any Christian faith that condones their actions. Does that make them worse than extreme Jihadists?

Trust me, there are plenty of Christians who agree with what they did but would not do it themselves

Originally posted by chithappens
Trust me, there are plenty of Christians who agree with what they did but would not do it themselves

Oh really...

I thnk Shirley Phelps Roper needs to be butt raped droolio....by SATAN droolio

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh really...

Yeah, what this guy said. I haven't seen ANY groups that agree with what they are doing...I live in Oklahoma...the belt buckle of the bible belt...there are over 500 Christian churches in the OKC area alone.

http://www.usachurch.com/oklahoma/oklahoma_city/churchresults49.htm

It is not like I am giving a close minded opinion...I just simply haven't found one Christian person who agrees with what they are doing.

I doubt you'll find many people, Christian or not, agree with what they're saying.

How many gay Christians do you know that regularly go to church in the Bible Belt?

Originally posted by chithappens
How many gay Christians do you know that regularly go to church in the Bible Belt?

Ted Haggard

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Originally posted by chithappens
How many gay Christians do you know that regularly go to church in the Bible Belt?

What does that have to do with anything... there's no way to prove that 'this certain number' of gay Christians go to church, or that there are 'this certain number' of gay Christians to begin with.

Originally posted by chithappens
How many gay Christians do you know that regularly go to church in the Bible Belt?

Half of the Male homosexuals I know were active Christians...go figure. All but one lesbian I know doesn't go to church. go figure.

Originally posted by Robtard
What does that have to do with anything... there's no way to prove that 'this certain number' of gay Christians go to church, or that there are 'this certain number' of gay Christians to begin with.

There is no way to proof it but not many openly gay people go to church. Now I say this having lived in Los Angeles, Chicago, Memphis, and Knoxville.

Maybe just not in those places...

Just because a person is Gay does not mean he or she cannot be Christian, and vise versa.

I did not say that. I'm talking about what the majority thinks

Good! I have had it with the GHF cult. They oughta pay for the pain and sufferings that families are going through at this terrible moment.