Originally posted by Innominate__1In-story examples of characters with no previous feats dealing with Akuma and that being the most flawed use of ''story context'' I've ever come across in these forums, your insistence in bringing up younger versions of characters, trying to dismiss feats like in your very last post for this thread (which, meh, I won't bother answering) where you argue some endings and cutscenes as being ''obscure and glamorized'' despite those being the best possible samples of a gaming character exhibiting its abilities outside of a unquantifiable and often non-reliable source such as game mechanics. Both me and Darkstorm have dealt with pretty much all of these points you keep repeating two weeks ago and I could even highlight the quotes which you may have overlooked for the sake of circular reasoning, but I don't feel like doing so if you want you can read through the last few pages since you necroed this old thread.
back again... ok then... @SGRepeating which arguments?
Originally posted by Innominate__1Akuma was trying to kill his brother, and he even had that red glowing aura around his fist when Gouken blocked one of his punches. And that video is more canon than any outdated back story you may have read in some random fan-made faq.
you're right in the sense that they wouldn't have to be restricted to the dojo, but in the vid you see a splash behind akuma after he does the SGS, i can only assume that's gouken, seeing as he was ko'd by the SGS... but according to the story(i've read for gouken) ken and ryu found him and put his body in the graveyard.. so which is it i wonder? is this vid canon?so akuma wasn't holding back this time? how do you know when he is or when he isn't?
Originally posted by Innominate__1I could also stick with this and say how Akuma could waste most of the cast of his own game of origin, along with most of KOF, Mortal Kombat and Tekken all by himself... and I could assure a good chunk of people with some decent knowledge on these games would agree with my point of view, but that is not the question asked by the OP in the first place so I'm not gonna waste my time on this.
haha... the whole kyo, iori, chizuru thing you put was funny... then you go on to say that akuma's "sheer amount of power far surpasses" goenitz and orochi.. what was that you said earlier "fanboyism and wank"? yeah there seems to be a crap-ton of it in your previous post... 🙂 anyway, since you're putting akuma on terms of speed we've never actually seen (invisible to the naked eye), what makes you think these three can't see him coming? please, even if he attacked one the other two could shoot a projectile or attack him or blitz him from different directions... i've never seen akuma fight more than 1 opponent at once, have you? so how can you make such an assumption? and if chizuru were to seal away his powers (meaning his ki) he'd be reverted back to a level where even ryu could take him (seeing as when he was holding back he wasn't shin and from the looks of it, in order to be shin he has to use his ki)... so kyo and iori taking him at THAT level sounds very sound.. he'd be a strong and pretty fast guy but not out of range of any other strong and pretty fast fighter... much less 2... haha... very funny though... 😄
If you ask me how did I come to this conclusion it's pretty simple, I don't need to see a grizzly bear slaughtering a bunch of poodles to know how easily the big carnivore could do it... same with Akuma in relation to most of the characters in the casts of the listed games.
And regarding his speed in case you're curious, Akuma being able to leap from the bottom of the ocean to the surface in about 10 secs puts him at rougly 372 meters per second (given the average depth of sea) which is above the speed of sound. I would say it's quite a bit higher than merely ''pretty fast'' and also this should be well out of the range of those three regarding movement speed.
Besides an object moving at anywhere close to 100m/s would be already imperceptible to the human eye, which is the best you can assume for Goenitz based on gameplay feats.
Like I said before and now once again, Akuma is the faster of the two.
Originally posted by Innominate__1Akuma not only survived that explosion but he was also unfazed and unscathed. In order to throw someone out of concentration you'd need to stun or at very least faze the guy. And to say Goenitz would be successful at that is no better than assuming he has at his disposal an attack more powerful than the forest busting one, which I dare to say he does not. His best attack so far would be like a punch from a 2 year old girl to Akuma and his regular ones including projectiles and desperation moves would be pretty much like a fly landing on Akuma's face. And just to add, trying to grab or even get close to an opponent so much stronger than you is not a wise thing to do either.so if akuma did this blast it'd be all over huh? you implying he'd be successful in executing the blast is almost as well as me saying goenitz can block this blast with one hand... because seeing as if this were a an actual fight 4 seconds is more than enough time to do any move you want on someone charging up.. and so you keep saying that because akuma survived his own blast it would take an even stronger blast or a move stronger than that to faze him? haha... that's just pretty far-fetched man, since we don't see him preforming this attack how can we assume that he isn't focusing (though it seems evidently clear that he is) to be able to preform it anyway? if you were to break him out of his concentration how would he be able to continue doing it? it'd be a counter if anything.. if he were chargin up, all goenitz would have to do is strike him with a projectile or a desperation move (super move)... he's got plenty of grabs and other attacks.. i mean seriously? do you honestly believe he becomes an immovable/invulnerable object as he charges? where the hell did you get that? haha... don't make me laugh...
And what's really worth a laugh is the fact you cannot PROVE Akuma had to charge and much less there's no way in the hell you could prove it was a focused attack or anything along those lines.
Originally posted by Innominate__1And there comes the hypocrisy. How do you know he wasn't charging or meditating before he used that attack on the stadium? That speculative crap works pretty well for both sides as you can see now.the glimpse argument is flawed? just because you can quantify...? i don't know... but if this feat was a glimpse of his power, and he preformed it through sheer will (did not have to charge, did not have to strike anything) he commanded the wind to demolish this stadium and to blow everyone away