Gouki can withstand goenitz's wind because he has withstood far greater. That's what the 3000 leagues feat demonstrates.
You won't be crushed in the ocean, but that force is still there and if any human was down that deep, that force would stop them from moving, even in the slightest. The force of winds will not move gouki, at all.
So what you're implying is that akuma's not human? What is he then? And yeah the pressure's on below the ocean... But the water's not moving there's no current, if i were to say that goenitz will CRUSH akuma with his wind powers.. Then i'd take your pressure theory into consideration... But i said push or slam or do other things wind has tendencies of doing... Also i learned awhile ago that goenitz can fly... Never seem him do ir bur is an ability he posseses... Adding that to his other abilities... Cool isn't it? 🙂
Thank you for a little sanity haha.. ^ anyhow @FD i understand what u mean and what i think you're implying is that the wind flowing or crashing into akuma will not affect him.. Perhaps you're right... I think it can still push him Any whichway.. Simply because he's not that heavy is he? I mean if it's wind that can tear through stone and blow a stadium away at a low power rate.. Then why couldn't it just push off or carry akuma away? Not saying the wind will destroy him, im saying it can lift him or throw him push him or whatever... Get it? 🙂
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Correction Frisky. Gouki wasn't in 3000 leagues depth. if it's 3000 leagues depth then there would be no sunshine while in Gouki's ending, we can see a sunshine. Even in 1000 meters, there's barely a sunshine inside the sea. So, Gouki was standing most likely above 1000 meters.
That's true but the light in the ending came from the sub, not the sun. In the very beginning of the ending, it shows the light darkening out and the sub activating its lights. So yes, he was 3000 leagues.
The light turns on at around 14 secs in the video. It's a nice try to discredit Gouki's feat but unfortunately it's incorrect.
Originally posted by Innominate__1It will not affect him if he goes intangible using the Ashura Senkuu. Also you say Goenitz is insanely fast? Well then look at Akuma's 3rd Strike ending to see how he goes from the bottom of the ocean to the surface in a few seconds... through a freaking ship!
Thank you for a little sanity haha.. ^ anyhow @FD i understand what u mean and what i think you're implying is that the wind flowing or crashing into akuma will not affect him.. Perhaps you're right... I think it can still push him Any whichway.. Simply because he's not that heavy is he? I mean if it's wind that can tear through stone and blow a stadium away at a low power rate.. Then why couldn't it just push off or carry akuma away? Not saying the wind will destroy him, im saying it can lift him or throw him push him or whatever... Get it? 🙂
I don't know of Goenitz having a better speed feat going for him.
And one more thing you have been ignoring through this topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXxpl6oSNI
As you can see the attack was fired upwards and yet it nuked a large section of that forest as a side effect and still it's a better destructive feat than what Goenitz has done with what could have been pretty well his best possible attack. The shockwaves produced by that ki blast alone would be enough to break through even the most furious tornadoes.
Also Goenitz better have a really insane speed feat within his career, because he would need to move at massively hypersonic speeds in order to dodge the forest buster, seeing how it reached space so quickly.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroNot to say that given Newton's third law, Akuma's durability couldn't be below island destroying level, otherwise he would have died from the first time he accomplished such a feat with sheer physical strength. Fact is that pretty much every of Akuma's greatest feats requires him not only having the power to accomplish them but also the durability to survive the aftereffects.
kauma's brokenphysics already anyway. His Island Buster should have launched him into orbit with the amount of force it applied, but the Island was affected, and Akuma was not... That tells you something about his energy manipulation capability as well.
Ok im back... Sorry im late, where were we? Oh yes, ok firstly, the whole ''lets use phsysics to explain a few things to explain akuma's feats but then break the laws when he accomplishes them'' thing, is pretty tired... Secondly, it's alot of exagerration with video game characters and energy manipulation especially since they all have some/alot of unprobability to them so why bother using physics to prove certain points? But then jump top conclusions by saying, ''well he's just THAT powerful!!''... I'd say he's gor a combination of both but also, has never fought anyone as powerful as geonitz... Anyway, since we're in that realm 🙂 Ok so if goenitz can fly an translocate (via turning himself into wind) i don't think the side-effect explosion thing would reach him (impressive as it is) when (if he chose to he could defen himself as well) he can fly out of the way or telport elsewhere before it hits him, as for the space reaching attack.. It's a fast attack but the execution seemed slow( he might have even powered up before he did it, because from the video i saw, he extended his hands and shot upward to... The moon i guess? idk..) where as the tornadoes, (''furious tornadoes'' haha!! I thought that was funny.. Anyway) can touch from the sky to the ground, some have devasting power when in a natural state since this is a supernatural state, (usually supernatural things defy the laws of physics and hey he could probably even make a hurricane since it's also pretty much wind) who knows how worst it can get... plus, we can see from the game (yes i know you're thinking ''those don't count cause i can do stuff in the game that could never happen in the story!!'' but alot of in-game abilities are usually attributed to their respective characters) his little ''furious (haha!!) oh so very furious!!'' (Im joking man, i mean no disrespect, just thought it was funny @Stargun) annoying tornadoes, pretty much block or counter every other dam power in the game... Well if those are things he can preform seemingly effortlessly and infinitely (im aware of your ''no limits phallacy'' law @DSZ, is why i put seemingly and will not say he can infinitely do those to destroy or make an infinite shielda/defense, whatever..) as well as, make a very useful defense since they stop all of sorts of enegy, it kinda gives you an idea of HIS aero-manipulation and power he's got at his disposal for more of an edge.. 🙂
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
That's true but the light in the ending came from the sub, not the sun. In the very beginning of the ending, it shows the light darkening out and the sub activating its lights. So yes, he was 3000 leagues.The light turns on at around 14 secs in the video. It's a nice try to discredit Gouki's feat but unfortunately it's incorrect.
And if you look at the video again, there's a light above Gouki when the sub is activating its light at Gouki. How could the submrine's light can only lighten the top of the sea surface while the entire broken ship where Gouki is standing for is still dark? This implies that the source of light is above Gouki. So yeah. It was a sun.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
Ok im back... Sorry im late, where were we? Oh yes, ok firstly, the whole ''lets use phsysics to explain a few things to explain akuma's feats but then break the laws when he accomplishes them'' thing, is pretty tired...
Your not understanding them does not mean they don't apply. And it's "Tired" because you cannot find anything Goenitz does as being comparable. Pretty accurate so far?
Originally posted by Innominate__1
Secondly, it's alot of exagerration with video game characters and energy manipulation especially since they all have some/alot of unprobability to them so why bother using physics to prove certain points? But then jump top conclusions by saying, ''well he's just THAT powerful!!''... I'd say he's gor a combination of both but also, has never fought anyone as powerful as geonitz...
The physics was a calculation of how much force would be required to sink an island from physical concussive force. Akuma generated that much force and at the same time broke a major physics law by stonewalling the blowback force and did not launch himself into orbit when he slammed down that force, thus sinking the island. Thats not jumping to a conclusion, thats explaining what he did. The dude did not move when applying 25 megatonnes worth of kinetic energy, whereas he SHOULD have bounced upward like a canon shell straight up if he was applying that much force.
Hmm, Right... Ok, so... He never fought Gill, Never fought Gouken, never fought Bison, Never fought Oro....... Oh wait.... Yes he did, and all of them are well within Goenitz's tier.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
Anyway, since we're in that realm 🙂 Ok so if goenitz can fly an translocate (via turning himself into wind) i don't think the side-effect explosion thing would reach him (impressive as it is) when (if he chose to he could defen himself as well) he can fly out of the way or telport elsewhere before it hits him, as for the space reaching attack.. It's a fast attack but the execution seemed slow( he might have even powered up before he did it, because from the video i saw, he extended his hands and shot upward to... The moon i guess? idk..) where as the tornadoes, (''furious tornadoes'' haha!! I thought that was funny.. Anyway) can touch from the sky to the ground, some have devasting power when in a natural state since this is a supernatural state, (usually supernatural things defy the laws of physics and hey he could probably even make a hurricane since it's also pretty much wind) who knows how worst it can get...
......
What is this? I don't even...
Dude, we are talking of yield sizes that far outstrip the nuclear bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki... by like a factor of 10 times or more. a blast like that would dissipate so much air, he'd be blown away by windspeeds far in excess of anything he could possibly generate by the concussion wave alone.
And Akuma can teleport as well.
Ok, so Goenitz can fly? When? he glides on the ground sure, Akuma does that with his dashes and Ashura Senkuu. and Goenitz has NEVER teleported out of the range of anything that big.
Any other speculation you'd like to test? Oh, yeah, Charge times again.... Where do we see him "Charge" the Sekia Kuratsuha? And whats funny is that Tornadoes actually take a while to form. I've never seen Goenitz generate full sized tornadoes anyway, the Yonokaze he uses is barely a whirlwind, they are barely bigger than a man width-wise, and are generated from the ground up, actual tornadoes strike from the ground down, and even F1 tornadoes are much wider than the Yonokaze.
Please provide solid fact rather than speculation please.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
plus, we can see from the game (yes i know you're thinking ''those don't count cause i can do stuff in the game that could never happen in the story!!'' but alot of in-game abilities are usually attributed to their respective characters) his little ''furious (haha!!) oh so very furious!!'' (Im joking man, i mean no disrespect, just thought it was funny @Stargun) annoying tornadoes, pretty much block or counter every other dam power in the game... Well if those are things he can preform seemingly effortlessly and infinitely (im aware of your ''no limits phallacy'' law @DSZ, is why i put seemingly and will not say he can infinitely do those to destroy or make an infinite shielda/defense, whatever..) as well as, make a very useful defense since they stop all of sorts of enegy, it kinda gives you an idea of HIS aero-manipulation and power he's got at his disposal for more of an edge.. 🙂
Because the the Yonokaze can't outstrip multi-hitting projectiles, nor super projectiles, (I've tested this in the 3 games Goenitz is in, and Haou Sho Ko Ken, Kaiser Wave at max charge, Shinkuu Hadouken, and Messatsu Gou Hadou) they all rip through Yonokaze and strike Goenitz. Besides, using gameplay mechanics is faulty... I could SO abuse this, but it is beneath me. besides, Goenitz cannot execure more than one Yonokaze at a time.
It's a damn shame that despite his Aeromancy, he is still less destructive and less durable than Akuma.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
And if you look at the video again, there's a light above Gouki when the sub is activating its light at Gouki. How could the submrine's light can only lighten the top of the sea surface while the entire broken ship where Gouki is standing for is still dark? This implies that the source of light is above Gouki. So yeah. It was a sun.
Actually, watching the vid, if you look at the start, the light has faded when the view reaches the submarine. And then if you watch the scene your reffering to, the light moves, but Akuma and the ship do not. I don't know about you, but I don't think the sun moves that quickly.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
And if you look at the video again, there's a light above Gouki when the sub is activating its light at Gouki. How could the submrine's light can only lighten the top of the sea surface while the entire broken ship where Gouki is standing for is still dark? This implies that the source of light is above Gouki. So yeah. It was a sun.
That's the light from the sub, the sub is ABOVE and BEHIND him. Now please stop tryinr to argue against clear evidence. I mean, it's right there. You can CLEARLY see that there is no other light than the sub's in the very beginning of the video.
LOL you can even see the light come down from behind him in the video.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your not understanding them does not mean they don't apply. And it's "Tired" because you cannot find anything Goenitz does as being comparable. Pretty accurate so far?
so now i don't understand physics? Haha... Didn't know u knew me that well... Anyway, an actual physical human body wouldn't be able to do something akuma's done plus we don't know the exact measures of the island, the depth of the ocean he's in, etc., so i say it's tired that everyone keeps using it as ''concrete evidence'' of his power, by means of saying''look at the physics!! It would take this or that to do what he did..'' when it isn't stated how much the exact measurements are, leaving everyone to speculate that he can beat so and so... That's what i find tiring..The physics was a calculation of how much force would be required to sink an island from physical concussive force. Akuma generated that much force and at the same time broke a major physics law by stonewalling the blowback force and did not launch himself into orbit when he slammed down that force, thus sinking the island. Thats not jumping to a conclusion, thats explaining what he did. The dude did not move when applying 25 megatonnes worth of kinetic energy, whereas he SHOULD have bounced upward like a canon shell straight up if he was applying that much force.
i didn't see him after the island sank only while it shook... Maybe he did bounce upwards, it's not stated, it's not shown, so we cannot make a direct claim if he did or did not bounce or sink or whatever.. We can only speculate 🙂
Hmm, Right... Ok, so... He never fought Gill, Never fought Gouken, never fought Bison, Never fought Oro....... Oh wait.... Yes he did, and all of them are well within Goenitz's tier. bison? I'd say he'd be more in rugla's level than goenitz, gill maybe, oro probably though he and gouken are human aren't they? Or are they ''metahumans'' whichever they are, im willing to admit he's on goenitz's level if you admit they're at akuma's, which i think they are...What is this? I don't even...
what is what? The idea that he can build a hurricane? Why not? Why's that so far fetched? Though, it is a bit over the top haha! 😛
Dude, we are talking of yield sizes that far outstrip the nuclear bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki... by like a factor of 10 times or more. a blast like that would dissipate so much air, he'd be blown away by windspeeds far in excess of anything he could possibly generate by the concussion wave alone.
you're talking about the energy he shot or the side effect blast? I think the latter, and that's a lil of an exagerration... If it were that strong shouldn't it of destroyed the entire forest? Again, we're trying to measure something that cannot be measured accurately, just to speculate.. And Akuma can teleport as well.
yes of course he can... ''He can do anything'' haha!! But see, all kidding aside, when does he teleport? In the game he does this shadow glide type thing and glides behind you clearly visible... Goenitz disappears and reappears..behing u as well, sometimes towards u when further away..
Ok, so Goenitz can fly? When? he glides on the ground sure, Akuma does that with his dashes and Ashura Senkuu. and Goenitz has NEVER teleported out of the range of anything that big.
i think he can teleport via his wind power his range is unknown... Oh and the dashes? Really? that's what you went with? Hahahaha!! I suppose his little glide to and from the stage at times looks ever so gay, but that shows he can use the wind to glide/fly.. Cause... Why the heck not? 😄
Any other speculation you'd like to test? Oh, yeah, Charge times again.... Where do we see him "Charge" the Sekia Kuratsuha? And whats funny is that Tornadoes actually take a while to form. I've never seen Goenitz generate full sized tornadoes anyway, the Yonokaze he uses is barely a whirlwind, they are barely bigger than a man width-wise, and are generated from the ground up, actual tornadoes strike from the ground down, and even F1 tornadoes are much wider than the Yonokaze.
dude i know...But hey, snk was probably on a budget(or time deadline) and didn't have time program in and design great freakng tornadoes.. Plus, those are all for the purpose of the game, no point in making him a bigger pain in the ass..
Please provide solid fact rather than speculation please.solid facts... From a video game story..?? Rrriigghhtt..
like all of what u provided was solid facts? What i see you do is take feats calculate/measure them with actual physics to further attempt to enforce your claim and trying to justify it by sayIng, ''who else can do that? If so prove it, with facts!!''
Because the the Yonokaze can't outstrip multi-hitting projectiles, nor super projectiles, (I've tested this in the 3 games Goenitz is in, and Haou Sho Ko Ken, Kaiser Wave at max charge, Shinkuu Hadouken, and Messatsu Gou Hadou) they all rip through Yonokaze and strike Goenitz. Besides... I could SO abuse this, but it is beneath me. besides, Goenitz cannot execure more than one Yonokaze at a time.
your right it is faulty (and i tremble at ur gameplay abusing powers).. either way, while it cannot defend against all projecti
les in the game i stated it was more of an ability he'd possesto his advantage..
It's a damn shame that despite his Aeromancy, he is still less destructive and less durable than Akuma.What's a shame is theres no pics or anything see he is.
Dude, once again, quote properly, or do not use it....
Originally posted by Innominate__1
so now i don't understand physics? Haha... Didn't know u knew me that well... Anyway, an actual physical human body wouldn't be able to do something akuma's done plus we don't know the exact measures of the island, the depth of the ocean he's in, etc., so i say it's tired that everyone keeps using it as ''concrete evidence'' of his power, by means of saying''look at the physics!! It would take this or that to do what he did..'' when it isn't stated how much the exact measurements are, leaving everyone to speculate that he can beat so and so... That's what i find tiring..
Nice strawman.
Look, what you are not understanding is that to sink an island requires a minimum of 25 megatonnes for Bishop Rock, the worlds smallest island with a building on it. Considering Goukentou had several MOUNTAINS on it as well as an underground cave system, I would say the figure is much higher. I was being VERY conservative with my estimate, so you trying to downplay it beyond minimum point is ludicrous. I could have a figure easily in the triple digit megatonnes depending on how big Goukentou actually is, and considering volcanic activity, thats a huge multiplier.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
i didn't see him after the island sank only while it shook... Maybe he did bounce upwards, it's not stated, it's not shown, so we cannot make a direct claim if he did or did not bounce or sink or whatever.. We can only speculate
"As Akuma's island dissapears, so does Akuma, leaving behind the feeling of his presence." - Quote from the ending. Anything else you would like to claim as speculation while we are here?
The dude had an entire monologue with Ryu after striking the ground, Yep, he was having a speech whilst 250,000 meters in orbit... dude, do not try this with me. I have been debating this ending for years, and you have not offered anything new. There is no speculation involved.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
bison? I'd say he'd be more in rugla's level than goenitz, gill maybe, oro probably though he and gouken are human aren't they? Or are they ''metahumans'' whichever they are, im willing to admit he's on goenitz's level if you admit they're at akuma's, which i think they are...
Bison as of SFA3, as in Final Bison, or Shin Bison if you prefer, is on the same tier is current Akuma, Gill, Gouken, and Oro. The only one higher than them is Ingrid. And this is not accounting Shin Akuma or Oni.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
yes of course he can... ''He can do anything'' haha!! But see, all kidding aside, when does he teleport? In the game he does this shadow glide type thing and glides behind you clearly visible... Goenitz disappears and reappears..behing u as well, sometimes towards u when further away..
You've got a really nasty habbit of putting words in people's mouths Innom. Stop doing that, it's against forum rules under trolling.
Define Teleportation then. Here is one :"a hypothetical mode of instantaneous transportation; matter is dematerialized at one place and recreated at another" - from the dictionary. It says nothing about becoming invisible.
The Ashura Senku is a method of moving from one location to another with impunity.
However, then we have the Misogi and Tenma Shurettou. Both of which are pretty much instantaneous movement, which more fits your description of a Teleport, so yes, Akuma can do both.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
i think he can teleport via his wind power his range is unknown... Oh and the dashes? Really? that's what you went with? Hahahaha!! I suppose his little glide to and from the stage at times looks ever so gay, but that shows he can use the wind to glide/fly.. Cause... Why the heck not?
Yep... Unknown range is such a good methodology to utilise... Brilliant.
Your oppinion on what it looks like is irrelevant, what matters is what it can do.
Thats not how burden of proof works Innom, the question is "Why?", not "why not?" and never has been.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
dude i know...But hey, snk was probably on a budget(or time deadline) and didn't have time program in and design great freakng tornadoes.. Plus, those are all for the purpose of the game, no point in making him a bigger pain in the ass..
Then thats his demonstrated limitation then. Not my problem.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
solid facts... From a video game story..?? Rrriigghhtt..
like all of what u provided was solid facts? What i see you do is take feats calculate/measure them with actual physics to further attempt to enforce your claim and trying to justify it by sayIng, ''who else can do that? If so prove it, with facts!!''
And is it wrong for me to do that? All I've seen you do is make asertations and claims, and have provided not an iota of anything resembling proof. I have Akuma's ending demonstrating what he has done, and that ending being an official event within Street fighters story means it is irrefutable.
You on the otherhand have provided not one vid, not one screencapture, not even a logical point of view... What do you expect me to do? Hold your hand and prove your case for you? Please man.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
your right it is faulty (and i tremble at ur gameplay abusing powers).. either way, while it cannot defend against all projectiles in the game i stated it was more of an ability he'd possesto his advantage..
Which still gets trumped by Akuma's energy projection capability. If Goenitz goes for long-range stall tactics like this, Akuma would break through with several Shankunetsu Gou Hadoukens and maybe a Messatsu Gou Hadou, or even the dreaded Sekia Kuretsu Ha... Goenitz has no defence against something that enormous.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
What's a shame is theres no pics or anything see he is.
*Shrugs* again, thats not my problem.
See, SNK has a really bad habbit of creating one-time use throwaway boss characters that they fail to develop effectively. Almost every boss is like that. One exeption was Rugal who appeared as a boss twice officially, and another 2 times in the dream matches. Thats why Rugal is slightly more developed. But even he is overshadowed due to lack of on-screen evidence.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Dude, once again, quote properly, or do not use it....
<calm down the only reason i quotes i because i forget what u posted..Nice strawman.
<are you calling me that? Or.. Idk
Look, what you are not understanding is that to sink an island requires a minimum of 25 megatonnes for Bishop Rock, the worlds smallest island with a building on it. Considering Goukentou had several MOUNTAINS on it as well as an underground cave system, I would say the figure is much higher. I was being VERY conservative with my estimate, so you trying to downplay it beyond minimum point is ludicrous. I could have a figure easily in the triple digit megatonnes depending on how big Goukentou actually is, and considering volcanic activity, thats a huge multiplier.
< with volcanic activity it counld de a magmatic hot spot, whose islands usually sink when the hot spot moves to make other islands, never heard of any being sunk from explosions or earthquakes ora punch 😄"As Akuma's island dissapears, so does Akuma, leaving behind the feeling of his presence." - Quote from the ending. Anything else you would like to claim as speculation while we are here?
<more importantly, it doesn't quote that the island sunk because of akuma's punch or how he disappears..The dude had an entire monologue with Ryu after striking the ground, Yep, he was having a speech whilst 250,000 meters in orbit... dude, do not try this with me. I have been debating this ending for years, and you have not offered anything new. There is no speculation involved.
<years? Wow... And their lips weren't moving how can webe sure it was after? Maybe the mon. before said punch..
it's only 3 pannelsBison as of SFA3, as in Final Bison, or Shin Bison if you prefer, is on the same tier is current Akuma, Gill, Gouken, and Oro. The only one higher than them is Ingrid. And this is not accounting Shin Akuma or Oni.
<good so they're all in the same tier but still goenitz is well above these guys IMOYou've got a really nasty habbit of putting words in people's mouths Innom. Stop doing that, it's against forum rules under trolling.
<what about name-calling? Is that also against forum rules under trolling? Plus, i was injecting humor into the situation i was not quoting YOU nor did i say ''this is what ur thinking RIGHT NOW DSZ..'' did i? So lighten up 🙂Define Teleportation then. Here is one :"a hypothetical mode of instantaneous transportation; matter is dematerialized at one place and recreated at another" - from the dictionary. It says nothing about becoming invisible.
The Ashura Senku is a method of moving from one location to another with impunity.
<dematerialize would mean he'd have to become apart, then hed have to materalize elswhere, so how would he retain his form? The other attacks i'd have to see again forgot what they look like, as for the last what's the durabilty of the attack, range, speed?However, then we have the Misogi and Tenma Shurettou. Both of which are pretty much instantaneous movement, which more fits your description of a Teleport, so yes, Akuma can do both.
<was actually going for the first def. U posted but whatever wrks 😄Yep... Unknown range is such a good methodology to utilise... Brilliant.
<unknown, untested.. Same usually goes for anyone else who teleports in a video game.. Specifications aren't defined as of yet..Your oppinion on what it looks like is irrelevant, what matters is what it can do.
<The dash? It's just a dash... The levatation goenitz does is what i was referring to..Thats not how burden of proof works Innom, the question is "Why?", not "why not?" and never has been.
<was being humorus yet again DSZ gees... 😛Then thats his demonstrated limitation then. Not my problem.
<that or they don't worry about demonstrating their feats during the game.. Not my prob if u opt for 2 or 3 pannels of ''feats'' rather than story..And is it wrong for me to do that? All I've seen you do is make asertations and claims, and have provided not an iota of anything resembling proof. I have Akuma's ending demonstrating what he has done, and that ending being an official event within Street fighters story means it is irrefutable.
You on the otherhand have provided not one vid, not one screencapture, not even a logical point of view... What do you expect me to do? Hold your hand and prove your case for you? Please man.
<u seem to define proof by over embelishing on details in a few pannles worth of info and bring in other irrelevant topics repeat that again and again, i use story,
context clues, character info, common sense..Which still gets trumped by Akuma's energy projection capability. If Goenitz goes for long-range stall tactics like this, Akuma would break through with several Shankunetsu Gou Hadoukens and maybe a Messatsu Gou Hadou, or even the dreaded Sekia Kuretsu Ha... Goenitz has no defence against something that enormous.
<unless he used it for attack instead of defense, hit and interrupt akuma's attacks
Originally posted by Innominate__1
calm down the only reason i quotes i because i forget what u posted..
Dude, it's not hard to separate my text from yours! If I can do it, so can you. Now I have to, once again dismantle your post from my quotes so I can reply properly, another 10 minutes down the toilet...
Originally posted by Innominate__1
are you calling me that? Or.. Idk
The definition of a strawman argument, read it.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
with volcanic activity it counld de a magmatic hot spot, whose islands usually sink when the hot spot moves to make other islands, never heard of any being sunk from explosions or earthquakes ora punch
What?
Are you now disagreeing with onscreen evidence? Dude, he did it, it happened, capcom confirmed it multiple times... You cannot argue that he didn't do it.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
more importantly, it doesn't quote that the island sunk because of akuma's punch or how he disappears..
Which doesn't detract from it actually happening, unless you want to claim it is more outlandish that he BLEW THE ISLAND UP, or even worse, ERASED IT FROM EXISTANCE. Are you sure you want to play this scemantic game dude?
Originally posted by Innominate__1
years? Wow... And their lips weren't moving how can webe sure it was after? Maybe the mon. before said punch..
it's only 3 pannels
Because the scene involved was already playing before he was talking. Simple really.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
good so they're all in the same tier but still goenitz is well above these guys IMO
Thats your personal speculative oppinion. it's a shame you cannot prove it tho. So please, don't try to pass your oppinion as fact.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
what about name-calling? Is that also against forum rules under trolling? Plus, i was injecting humor into the situation i was not quoting YOU nor did i say ''this is what ur thinking RIGHT NOW DSZ..'' did i? So lighten up
No, name calling (Which I have not done, nice try) comes under Flaming, also against the rules.
What you did was far from humorous. More of a snide remark. And I would lighten up if you'd stop running these debates in circles...
Originally posted by Innominate__1
dematerialize would mean he'd have to become apart, then hed have to materalize elswhere, so how would he retain his form? The other attacks i'd have to see again forgot what they look like, as for the last what's the durabilty of the attack, range, speed?
No, it says dematerialise. Akuma becomes completely intangible during the move, that qualifies.
YouTube video 3rd fight.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
unknown, untested.. Same usually goes for anyone else who teleports in a video game.. Specifications aren't defined as of yet..
Usually not a good idea to use such things as your "debate winning trump card" mate, it'll get shot down faster than Richard Simmonds in a helicopter.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
The dash? It's just a dash... The levatation goenitz does is what i was referring to..
Goenitz doesn't have a levitation technique in any of the games he's in. so unless you plan on introducing those non-official HK comics into this )And beleive me when I say this, you dont wanna do that...) then no, he cannot fly either.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
was being humorus yet again DSZ gees...
I'm not laughing, and you failed to answer the point by trying to divert attention with your attempt.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
that or they don't worry about demonstrating their feats during the game.. Not my prob if u opt for 2 or 3 pannels of ''feats'' rather than story..
*Shakes head* Alright kid, listen up, cause I'm going over this with you only once.
First off, this is a vs debating forum, as in we DEBATE things here. To win a debate, one must provide EVIDENCE of their character winning.
Secondly: having good background story is nice and all, but when one relies on it as stand-alone, it doesn't weigh much. Stories and Backgrounds for characters are not only vague (sometimes non-existant), but are also open to interpretation, therefore, credibility of interpretations is wonky, since many people interprest the same things differently. Example: You mentioning Goenitz can fly, and is invulnerable to everything. These things are specific abilities right? if he had them, when and where did he use them officially? You should be able to at least explain these traits. And on top of this, the invulnerability has a set minimum limit. IE: he has not been tested by someone as powerful as his opponent, same goes for Orochi. You cannot claim a feat surpasses that of an opponent unless it has been demonstrated. Neither Goenitz nor Orochi have ever been hit by a force capable of sinking a landmass.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
u seem to define proof by over embelishing on details in a few pannles worth of info and bring in other irrelevant topics repeat that again and again, i use story,
context clues, character info, common sense..
And a complete disreguard for the rules of burden of proof apparently... Not to mention placing too much emphasis on titles and non defined abilities usually associated with such titles. Your arguments, in other words, are all fluff (as in story) and no substance (as in not a shred of evidence).
And as for going into in-depth analysis, what? Am I not supposed to figure out if a feat is what I'm saying it is? I'm sorry, but it beats blurting crap into existance without anything to back it up... Thats what it means to debate.
Originally posted by Innominate__1
unless he used it for attack instead of defense, hit and interrupt akuma's attacks
The whole point is that the Yonokaze CANNOT intercept multi hit projectiles, and it won't do a damn thing against an attack of the scale of the Sekia Kuretsuha.
And your the one who mentioned Goenitz going on the defence by using Yonokaze as a screen defence in the first place. you've done a goalpost shift in mid point, which is bad etiquette.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
That's the light from the sub, the sub is ABOVE and BEHIND him. Now please stop tryinr to argue against clear evidence. I mean, it's right there. You can CLEARLY see that there is no other light than the sub's in the very beginning of the video.LOL you can even see the light come down from behind him in the video.
Really? :v
So, you wanna say that, there are two subs there? Proof it.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Really? :vSo, you wanna say that, there are two subs there? Proof it.
No, he's saying that the light came from the one sub. there is only one light source in that whole scene. You see it turn on from the sub at 13 seconds in. Then you see the light pass Akuma overhead.
I'll admit, i never looked at it like that before, but it should have been obvious, the light was always coming from the sub, not the sun. If there was any substantial sunlight enough to light the ship like that did, the sub wouldn't need to turn on floodlights at all.