When I said your last post don't add anything to the thread it's because you kept repeating those very same arguments since you brought this old thread back to life.
In essence, feats aren't what makes a character powerful... but they are the EVIDENCE we can look at to deduce how powerful a certain character is. In these forums where fictional characters are compared to each other we work with the evidence we have at hand to determine, or at least ASSUME, who's the more likely to win. This system (which you referred to as ''feats or GTFO''😉 works fine doing many fictions a lot of justice preventing that things get out of control with fanboysm and wank.
Oro and Gouken going toe to toe with Akuma is a way Capcom found to show how powerful they are... without depicting them sinking an island or razing a forest.
Characters on the levels of Akuma and Gouken don't have their whole fights against each other restricted to small enclosures like a dojo even though the battle may have started there. Also for reference that same video you can see as well in the opening sequence of vanilla Street Fighter IV.
And what the fact that Gouken was able to block a punch from Akuma proves actually is that his strenght is on the same level or at least comparable to Akuma's, and that his body is durable enough to withstand mountain-spliting force, given the fact Akuma wasn't holding back.
Nice, you don't see it getting physical. Again, the argument ''I don't see'' doesn't carry much weight in versus threads unless you can back it up with evidence. The opponent Goenitz's been pitted against here is the same man that leaped from the bottom of the ocean to the surface in a time frame of about ten seconds wrecking a ship in the process. Mere wind gusts won't stop that sort of momentum plus Akuma has a move that gives him momentary intangibility making it even easier for an approach. More than likely he'd be able of connecting his punch here in case he goes for it.
Yes, in a close combat Goenitz is just as defenseless as a sheep in front of a wolf, and that eye-ripping move wouldn't work on someone evidenced as having island level durability.
Now as for Kyo, Iori and Chizuru. I never meant to say they would stay there waiting for Akuma to kills them, it's more like they can't avoid him since he is a good deal faster than any of them. Also their bodies aren't durable enough for them to survive Akuma's onslaught. Chizuru's ability of sealing away other's powers may work on Akuma actually, tough his sheer amount of power which far surpasses the likes of Ryo and Terry as well as Goenitz and Orochi may prove too much for her. No that she'd have the chance to pull that off before getting stomped dead in the ground along with her allies, which aren't much of a factor either.
So you're sure any character including Goenitz can block the forest buster, not relevant if you can't provide durability feats as evidence for that claim. The 4 seconds charging time isn't a problem either, there's nothing Goenitz could do to throw him out of it, he'd be unable to faze Akuma. He wasn't even fazed by the recoil of his blast which completely wiped out everything in a radius of at least 150 meters and he was in the mid of all this devastation, his body being the focal point of it. And I'm not implying Goenitz will stay there waiting the attack hit him, he wouldn't even know what's Akuma going to pull off to beggin with. And said blast travels at hypersonic speeds, somewhere in the double digit figure at minimun seeing how it reached space in less than 5 seconds. That's way too fast for Goenitz to dodge if it's fired in his direction, and even if he manages to avoid a direct hit via aim-dodging, still he'd be taken down by the shockwaves. Either way he can't escape.
The glimpse argument is flawed, you can't really quantify how much more destructive Goenitz could be in relation to his stadium wrecking feat. That's the same case for Akuma, his best feat was accomplished in his base form (Shin is characterized with a purple gi, and Oni is a complete monster, so yea that was his base form) and it was back in Alpha which takes place at least 10 years before the latest installment in the series which is Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike (yes 3 takes place after 4). With that said it's probable Akuma has gotten even stronger since then, but still we cannot quantify by how much until or unless he does something greater. In versus forums we have to limit Akuma to island destroying level, as for Goenitz his best feat would be his limit in this case, that's the general assumption in vs. forums.
Beating up a younger version of Rugal doesn't tell us anything really. It was Goenitz if I recall correctly that gave him a fraction of Orochi's power which obviously grew within him over the years until the guy appears as a boss in 94, and even later in 95 in his most powerful incarnation called Omega he still hasn't displayed any feats that would make him a viable standard for comparision with Akuma.
About the Goenitz powers being more ''supernatural'', well it means nothing, really. It's not quantifiable and it doesn't give him any extra ability outside his showings.
And story doesn't override the feats, context of story can only help if there are feats at some point backing it up as precedent. If the thread were Akuma vs. Oro or Gouken we would know they could cause problems to him by the simple fact they DID it in canon.
Akuma and Goenitz will never face each other in a canon battle since they aren't part of the same story. And since Goenitz lacks the direct quantifiable feats to say he can stand to Akuma and give him a good fight the only way to even argue he could do that would be addressing to a sample where Goenitz dealt with someone on those levels, which he didn't. Goenitz simply lacks such precedent going for him, which leads to a direct comparision of feats as the only way to compare him to Akuma in a versus thread. Featwise Akuma beats him in every conceivable way and not only in the strenght department.