Akuma vs Leopold Goenitz

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Yadda yadda.

Akuma also stalemated Gen and Adon in SFA3.

Actually, no. You see, Gen's ending indicated that he killed Akuma, which didn't happen. But either way, neither ending was confirmed, so we can't say wether or not that 2nd battle actually occured.

And Adon didn't get the chance to fight Akuma. Originally it was assumed that Adon was killed by Akuma, but his apperance in SSF4 dismisses that theory, so now we can only assume that Adon never found him, since there is no record of them fighting.

guys.... darkfart is just a sad and lonely fanboy....

no matter what you say, he is not gonna listen...and he has like 100 clones that he made to help him in the worshipping of all mighty akuma...

its simple
A.if akuma was so powerful he would have already beaten...ryu

B.he just relies on akuma's plot devices and ending movies that crapcom puts in the game to keep fanboys like him happy... 🙂

Goenitz win this hands down...

one more thing...

splitting a stationary island in half....

jumping out of still ocean... destroying a slow moving ship with a kick at the bottom...

hmmm how do they qualify him to beat someone in a one on one battle....

want examples...

do you think the worlds strongest man...(whoever he is) cant be defeated by someone like who simply knows how to fight... better than the world strongest man?

and who will in a fight between a good swimmer and good boxer..??

swimming out of the ocean....destroying large strong structures does not assure a victory in FIGHT...get it a FIGHT!!....

it can get you olympic medals....but not assure a victory... so far you have only proven akuma's strength through plot devices....

in which he is only fighting ryu and destroying 'objects'

not enuff... come back with better stuff dude...

see ya

Does anyone else have a post to make? since the one above does not exist as far as anything is concerned...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Does anyone else have a post to make? since the one above does not exist as far as anything is concerned...

Originally posted by vavavoom
i do,.. yeah those endings unless he pulls those really lame and over the top moves off in a fight i'll just go ahead and say they're irrelevant. takes him too much time to pull off and against goenitz, who can creat a hurricane out of nowhere, he wouldn't stand a chance. hey way i see it shin akuma can stand up to goenitz, but just akuma akuma, no chance. ya know addy points out a lot of logic in his posts but you dismiss them becasue he's "trolling" and "doesn't exist" wth????
really no reason for me to post anything since what i'm writing goes in hand with what he's saying

but i did and to reply to your biased grubble, i figure i'd write this before you say "then why did you post??" like the predictable monkey you are,.. wow just like how predictable akuma is

Originally posted by vavavoom
i do,.. yeah those endings unless he pulls those really lame and over the top moves off in a fight i'll just go ahead and say they're irrelevant.

Umm, there was no charge time on the Island Buster or the Seikya Kuretsu Ha. The Uluru splitter may have a little, but it's an accessible supermove anyway so thats beyond refute, and as for Tenshou Kaireki Jin. Well that move proves his speed and jumping capability as much as it does anything else.

Originally posted by vavavoom
takes him too much time to pull off and against goenitz, who can creat a hurricane out of nowhere, he wouldn't stand a chance.

No it doesn't... Watch the videos, Where was the gathering of energy done in any one besides Kongou Kokuretsu Zan? Besides, Goenitz's hurricanes are blockable, and penetratable by projectiles that do more than single hits. Shankunetsu Gou Hadouken, EX Gou Hadouken, Tenma Gou Zankuu and Messatsu Gou Hadou all tear right through his wind funnels.

Originally posted by vavavoom
hey way i see it shin akuma can stand up to goenitz, but just akuma akuma, no chance.

The problem being that Akuma has better feats, better win/loss records, and better actual combat skill.

Originally posted by vavavoom
ya know addy points out a lot of logic in his posts but you dismiss them becasue he's "trolling" and "doesn't exist" wth????
really no reason for me to post anything since what i'm writing goes in hand with what he's saying

Addy points out logic? Do tell! Since I cannot see his posts anymore, and I'm not allowed to respond or interact with him in any way... Yes Vavavoom, trolling... Meaning he is a banned member who keeps socking and coming back for no reason, openly defying moderators and flaming. I'm not taking him off my ignore list, and I am not reading the snot your praising. If you want to utilise any of that drivel in your argument, then rewrite it in your own words.

Originally posted by vavavoom
but i did and to reply to your biased grubble, i figure i'd write this before you say "then why did you post??" like the predictable monkey you are,.. wow just like how predictable akuma is

You cannot prove bias, you have no ground to stand on to make such an accusation. Addy IS a troll who deserves no attention or respect from anyone, the only reason your praising him is because he is your only supporter, which is really very sad. Predictable? HA! righto, just like your hypocriticism?

And as for Akuma being predictable, dude, thats the lamest garbage ever seen... Hell every fighting game character in existance is predictable, there is no random pattern that they follow.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Umm, there was no charge time on the Island Buster or the Seikya Kuretsu Ha. The Uluru splitter may have a little, but it's an accessible supermove anyway so thats beyond refute, and as for Tenshou Kaireki Jin. Well that move proves his speed and jumping capability as much as it does anything else.

No it doesn't... Watch the videos, Where was the gathering of energy done in any one besides Kongou Kokuretsu Zan? Besides, Goenitz's hurricanes are blockable, and penetratable by projectiles that do more than single hits. Shankunetsu Gou Hadouken, EX Gou Hadouken, Tenma Gou Zankuu and Messatsu Gou Hadou all tear right through his wind funnels.

The problem being that Akuma has better feats, better win/loss records, and better actual combat skill.

Addy points out logic? Do tell! Since I cannot see his posts anymore, and I'm not allowed to respond or interact with him in any way... Yes Vavavoom, trolling... Meaning he is a banned member who keeps socking and coming back for no reason, openly defying moderators and flaming. I'm not taking him off my ignore list, and I am not reading the snot your praising. If you want to utilise any of that drivel in your argument, then rewrite it in your own words.

You cannot prove bias, you have no ground to stand on to make such an accusation. Addy IS a troll who deserves no attention or respect from anyone, the only reason your praising him is because he is your only supporter, which is really very sad. Predictable? HA! righto, just like your hypocriticism?

And as for Akuma being predictable, dude, thats the lamest garbage ever seen... Hell every fighting game character in existance is predictable, there is no random pattern that they follow.

calling his points snot is just like calling yours snot since he brings real back up just like you do, majority would rule in favour of akuma because he's more popular, i said the same in ryu vs kyo thread they are especially more popular in the states so people will root for them.
him splitting ayers rock (uluru, trying to sound cool?) is the same as a power geyser, that crap in the woods is like geese's raging storm, it's nothing new, and yes a power geyser would do the same to ayers rock if not worse and yes geese's raging storm would destroy an entire rainforest. skill wise as a fighter yeah he might have more skill than goenitz so with no powers akuma would have his ass, but goenitz relies on his power more and when i said hurricane, i wasn't talking about his yonokaze in the game i was referring to an actual hurricane u saying akuma can beat this guy is like saying he could beat thor or storm when it came to power, he can control the freaking wind, no matter how agile akuma is he cannot escape that or overpower it, he can fly, translocate, give orochi power to people. once again,... shin akuma stands a chance.... regular playable character akuma,.. no he shoulds stick to trying to defeat ryu which he hasn't!

is robert garcia predictable? nope, not one character in kof returns with the EXACT SAME movelist year to year, from chang to yuri, weather it's a new move/moves different stance they are NEVER the same, too bad you can't say the same for most of the sf roster ESPECIALLY akuma and the merry shoto crew capcom banks on year to year who do everything the same.. even yuri can do the raging demon by the way and the shin shoryuken! yuri dude, yuri

Originally posted by vavavoom
and yes a power geyser would do the same to ayers rock if not worse and yes geese's raging storm would destroy an entire rainforest.

Please proof this statement.

Originally posted by vavavoom
calling his points snot is just like calling yours snot since he brings real back up just like you do, majority would rule in favour of akuma because he's more popular, i said the same in ryu vs kyo thread they are especially more popular in the states so people will root for them.

Where was his real backup? All he stated was more moves = win. That is not proof, thats a statement of oppinion, not fact or proof of anything.

I don't particularly care how popular anything is. I speak for myself and only for myself. And just to make sure you understand, I don't reside in or anywhere near the US.

Originally posted by vavavoom
him splitting ayers rock (uluru, trying to sound cool?) is the same as a power geyser, that crap in the woods is like geese's raging storm, it's nothing new, and yes a power geyser would do the same to ayers rock if not worse and yes geese's raging storm would destroy an entire rainforest.

For your information, the name "Ayers Rock" is the tourist name, I happen to reside in Australia, so forgive me for using the propper term.

Exept 2 things, one the Power Geyser never "cut" anything, nor did it damage an area anywhere near the size of Uluru. And the Raging Storm may or may not wipe out a rainforest (This requires proof, since it's such a short ranged attack), but it didn't do it with just the recoil...

Originally posted by vavavoom
skill wise as a fighter yeah he might have more skill than goenitz so with no powers akuma would have his ass, but goenitz relies on his power more and when i said hurricane, i wasn't talking about his yonokaze in the game i was referring to an actual hurricane u saying akuma can beat this guy is like saying he could beat thor or storm when it came to power, he can control the freaking wind, no matter how agile akuma is he cannot escape that or overpower it, he can fly, translocate, give orochi power to people.

How would a tornado, or even a cyclone stop someone who has the strength to do more damage? The physical strength Akuma can generate WAY overshadows the destructive force of a windstorm, no matter how large. A cyclone cannot sink an island, or split a rock the size of Uluru. Besides, Akuma can become completely intangible via Ashura Senkuu.

Originally posted by vavavoom
once again,... shin akuma stands a chance.... regular playable character akuma,.. no he shoulds stick to trying to defeat ryu which he hasn't!

Your forgetting that Ryu and Akuma have only fought once, and Akuma was holding well back during that fight, he was testing Ryu, and then, using just that fraction of his power, he sank Goukentou. Brilliant deduction of a loss, exept Gouki threw the fight, and went on to demonstrate a feat that has thusfar been unmatched by any street leveled fighting game character... Some loss...

Originally posted by vavavoom
is robert garcia predictable? nope, not one character in kof returns with the EXACT SAME movelist year to year, from chang to yuri, weather it's a new move/moves different stance they are NEVER the same, too bad you can't say the same for most of the sf roster ESPECIALLY akuma and the merry shoto crew capcom banks on year to year who do everything the same.. even yuri can do the raging demon by the way and the shin shoryuken! yuri dude, yuri

Hah! Clearly you stopped playing Street Fighter then. I mean seriously, a change of STANCE?! What the hell difference does that make... Akuma has had additional moves in each instalment since Alpha.

Yuri doing those moves is either A homage, or B a dig at Street Fighter in response to Dan's creation. Don't try to turn a mockery into anything more than what it is dude.

Akuma is strong but i have something to tell a bout Goenitz ,he did not die,he was taken into heaven in the game.I STILL CAN"T UNDERSTAND THAT.This is hard to tell.Both are really strong.DRAW mingt be the best word

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Where was his real backup? All he stated was more moves = win. That is not proof, thats a statement of oppinion, not fact or proof of anything.

I don't particularly care how popular anything is. I speak for myself and only for myself. And just to make sure you understand, I don't reside in or anywhere near the US.

For your information, the name "Ayers Rock" is the tourist name, I happen to reside in Australia, so forgive me for using the propper term.

Exept 2 things, one the Power Geyser never "cut" anything, nor did it damage an area anywhere near the size of Uluru. And the Raging Storm may or may not wipe out a rainforest (This requires proof, since it's such a short ranged attack), but it didn't do it with just the [B]recoil...

How would a tornado, or even a cyclone stop someone who has the strength to do more damage? The physical strength Akuma can generate WAY overshadows the destructive force of a windstorm, no matter how large. A cyclone cannot sink an island, or split a rock the size of Uluru. Besides, Akuma can become completely intangible via Ashura Senkuu.

Your forgetting that Ryu and Akuma have only fought once, and Akuma was holding well back during that fight, he was testing Ryu, and then, using just that fraction of his power, he sank Goukentou. Brilliant deduction of a loss, exept Gouki threw the fight, and went on to demonstrate a feat that has thusfar been unmatched by any street leveled fighting game character... Some loss...

Hah! Clearly you stopped playing Street Fighter then. I mean seriously, a change of STANCE?! What the hell difference does that make... Akuma has had additional moves in each instalment since Alpha.

Yuri doing those moves is either A homage, or B a dig at Street Fighter in response to Dan's creation. Don't try to turn a mockery into anything more than what it is dude. [/B]

*sighs* stance makes moves different, even gen does it.. who hasn't been playing sf? you'd know this if you ever chose a different character besides akuma or ryu. and i have all sf s up to the resent super turtle fest.
the balerina tricks you mean? does a front flip then either slides you or something else,.. rufus does the same doesn't he, just a different variation and so does another capcom character who i can't remember at the moment, yeah i give him that, he has more than ryu and ken but still the exact same to the core.

yeah it is a joke for her to do them, but unlike dan who half asses kyokugen mves, she does them "perfectly" you might say.

dude, let's just agree to disagree, orochi, igniz and SHIN akuma are the only people stronger than goenitz out of sf and kof not akuma. (who the hell made this thread anyways?) and you're too stuck up akuma's ass to realize this so this is going nowhere. akuma's soo powerful to you makes me wonder what was the point of capcom making shin akuma.

i guarantee if there were a kof vs sf thread most ppl would side with capcom again based on popularity rather than individual character skill, and you obviously being a sf muppet would be in that group of fanboys who just can't admit that sf has lesser characters when compared to kof

yup, he's the freaking hulk,or goku even once again with him around as a fighter what's the point of even fighting he'd automatically trounce everyone all at once. off your biased highhorse dude

DARKSTOM ZERO is not a lone.AKUMA WINS THIS !!! NO DOUBT!!

Originally posted by lordxalba
DARKSTOM ZERO is not a lone.AKUMA WINS THIS !!! NO DOUBT!!

....yeah, like i said most people would say this just because. besides who doesn't like akuma? he's a stronger ryu, lame.
least darkstorm puts up reasons why he thinks so

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Please proof this statement.

atemi nage, dude can summon lightning with this move

vavavoom do u know who defeated Geonitz

Originally posted by lordxalba
vavavoom do u know who defeated Geonitz

Originally posted by vavavoom
*sighs* stance makes moves different, even gen does it.. who hasn't been playing sf? you'd know this if you ever chose a different character besides akuma or ryu. and i have all sf s up to the resent super turtle fest.

Exept you don't get the chance to change the stances with KOF characters, a stance change means an entire style change, whereas in KOF, all it is is aesthetics and some new moves tacked in.

Originally posted by vavavoom
the balerina tricks you mean? does a front flip then either slides you or something else,.. rufus does the same doesn't he, just a different variation and so does another capcom character who i can't remember at the moment, yeah i give him that, he has more than ryu and ken but still the exact same to the core.

Huh? What balerina thing? I didn't even mention the Tatsumaki techniques...

Perhaps they are so similar because they practice the same fighting style? and perhaps it's discipline is more rigid than Kyokuken. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by vavavoom
yeah it is a joke for her to do them, but unlike dan who half asses kyokugen mves, she does them "perfectly" you might say.

Perfectly my foot... The damage values, the asthetic differences and the properties are all different...

Originally posted by vavavoom
dude, let's just agree to disagree, orochi, igniz and SHIN akuma are the only people stronger than goenitz out of sf and kof not akuma. (who the hell made this thread anyways?) and you're too stuck up akuma's ass to realize this so this is going nowhere. akuma's soo powerful to you makes me wonder what was the point of capcom making shin akuma.

I don't mind agreeing to disagree.

However, I will say this. Your fingerpointing and baseless assumptions are your own. i'm not saying anything without backing it up. but you've provided nothing. Goenitz's 2 victories don't hold up to the 5 plus victories Gouki has. Goenitz's feats don't hold up to Gouki's. and last but not least, Gouki still has far more battle experience and skill, plus all the raw power he needs.

If this sounds like I'm "stuck up Akuma's ass" then hear me out, I'm not stating anything I cannot and have not proven, I'm not wanking the feats, just stating what they are. And as I told you before, I admit, there are people who overrate and wank out Street figher characters (just have a look at the Ryu vs Megaman thread for a perfect example). I have no love for people who do this, and I make that point well known. So your continual use of the bias argument really holds no water, since it is a horribly inaccurate act of desperation for a losing argument.

Originally posted by vavavoom
i guarantee if there were a kof vs sf thread most ppl would side with capcom again based on popularity rather than individual character skill, and you obviously being a sf muppet would be in that group of fanboys who just can't admit that sf has lesser characters when compared to kof

I'm sure there would be people who would side with either side of an argument simply because of popularity, In debates reguarding characters from the entertainment industry there always will be illogical douchebags who argue for a particular side or character simply because they like those characters more, or have a hateful crusade against the opposition. No doubt. However, since I've debated both sides, for and against, I can happily state that I am failrly impartial to these matters, and as I stated before, company affiliation doesn't mean anything.

If you want, start up a thread, any thread you like, there are many times I would say KOF would win, and SF would lose. Just have a look at prior threads.

Originally posted by vavavoom
yup, he's the freaking hulk,or goku even once again with him around as a fighter what's the point of even fighting he'd automatically trounce everyone all at once. off your biased highhorse dude

What? whats this in response to? The island sinker? Dude, he did it, get over it. But he is no Hulk (infinite strength) nor Goku (Planet buster +)... Thats a horrid comparative.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsnk.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FGoenitz&ei=ejZuTN3NC4K88gaH7K3vCw&usg=AFQjCNE0w07sq4Po7X9jMTQ5-x5YnesnrQ

Geonitz was been defeated by Kyo or iori ,so what is Geonitz for Akuma ,A PEICE OF CAKE

Originally posted by lordxalba
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsnk.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FGoenitz&ei=ejZuTN3NC4K88gaH7K3vCw&usg=AFQjCNE0w07sq4Po7X9jMTQ5-x5YnesnrQ

Geonitz was been defeated by Kyo or iori ,so what is Geonitz for Akuma ,A PEICE OF CAKE

Originally posted by vavavoom
mmmm two top fighters beating you down isn't considered piece of cake little man. them together would do the same to akuma. OMG yeah i said it now roll in the akuma ass kissers to defend his honour

Hmm... I dunno, Kyo and Iori at once is a tough call, I mean they arn't slouches.

Does Iori get his flames back for this theory?