Originally posted by BransoluteI have to many battlezones already planned. I may even accept the mexicans challenge and debate against his precious genis using Darkseid. But I also have a battlezone with llagorok lined up and next month a battlezone with Desaad.
Trickster vs quan battlezone?
One last thing I have Genis's entire run on a disk but have yet to read more than two issues becuz it dulle dthe shit outta me. I think genis sucks as a character.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The same might be said of the Mageddon feat depending who you ask...
Exactly.
First off, let's use logic to the two sides of the argument here, since we have certain posters that like to pick and choose.
1) All Star Superman's strength was measured at baseline 65 quintillion tons. Hulk's strength was immeasurable by human or even scientific mutant instruments (and this is more than once).
Who is stronger? According to certain KMC members, Superman would be.
2) Superman's heat vision was immeasurable by human instruments. Hulk's heat resistance has been shown to resist casually 35 million degrees temperature.
Does Hulk's heat resistance exceed the Heat Vision? According to certain KMC members, no.
Now what gives you guys the right to pick and choose which logic you follow?
Logic path A: Superman is stronger than Hulk, because he was measured at 65 quintillion tons strength in an alternate universe. Since measured strength exceeds immeasurable, then Hulk would have no problem resisting Superman's heat vision. He would also be at the very least on part with his strength level, as the tectonic plates he held together weighed 1,000 quintillion tons. Superman loses.
Logic path B: Superman is weaker than the Hulk, since immeasurable is greater than a measured amount. Therefore his heat vision would burn the Hulk, since it is immeasurable, even though there exists no case of WWH being affected by flames, or heat in the least. If you go by this logic path, Superman is still the same speed as the Hulk, therefore Hulk would have time to grab him and beat the daylights out of him in close range like he did when he fought the Asgardian Destroyer when the Destroyer tried it's disintigration beams on him. Superman Loses.
Logic path C: Superman fanboys take the best of both worlds; they say immeasurable is best when it applies to Superman, and take measured over immeasurable when it benefits Superman. Sorry to those that have said this, but you lose on account of logic alone.
The thunderclap of the cosmos is an on-panel feat and is canon. If you claim the mageddon feat, the Hulk side can easily claim the thunderclapping the dark cosmos as canon. Once again, superman without his speed loses.
To sum up my arguments for those that fail to saw them:
a) 3.6 billion figure is bullshit. If you say that Superman's heat vision is that hot, then by the same logic you have to say that Hulk is strong enough to bust a galaxy, since we can measure the weight of a sun or a planet. Or you can take that 3.6 billion figure as hyperbole, and stick with what on-panel evidence there is, and stick with "hotter than the core of the sun", which value is 15 million, and which value Hulk has already resisted like nothing. Superman's heat vision will do jack-shit.
b) If you want to show the megaddon wheel feat, I can show the dark galaxy feat. Hulk wins. PIS rules the day.
c) IF you want to quote the 65 quintillion tons number. I will show the 1,000 quintillion tons figure of the weight of a tectonic plate. It would take far in excess of 65 quintillion tons to hold tectonic plates together from ripping apart.
d) Hulk has never been shown to be strong enough NOT to do something. There is no measurement of strength in which he cannot overcome when angry enough. WWH is stronger, will regenerate faster, and cannot be knocked out with Superman level strength.
The ONLY and I mean ONLY major advantages that Superman has over Hulk are insane speed and flight. Take away the speed and his advantage disappears against WWH, who's base strength is far far above any other hero to be shown on Marvel Earth, and who can amplify it even further. The Beyonder himself said that there was an infinite potential in his strength. Hulk was able to keep up with Drax who had the power gem (Drax who was given the same base level strength as Thanos when he was resurrected).
WWH, in this scenario, wins. End of story.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Exactly.First off, let's use logic to the two sides of the argument here, since we have certain posters that like to pick and choose.
1) All Star Superman's strength was [b]measured
at baseline 65 quintillion tons. Hulk's strength was immeasurable by human or even scientific mutant instruments (and this is more than once).Who is stronger? According to certain KMC members, Superman would be.
2) Superman's heat vision was immeasurable by human instruments. Hulk's heat resistance has been shown to resist casually 35 million degrees temperature.
Does Hulk's heat resistance exceed the Heat Vision? According to certain KMC members, no.
Now what gives you guys the right to pick and choose which logic you follow?
Logic path A: Superman is stronger than Hulk, because he was measured at 65 quintillion tons strength in an alternate universe. Since measured strength exceeds immeasurable, then Hulk would have no problem resisting Superman's heat vision. He would also be at the very least on part with his strength level, as the tectonic plates he held together weighed 1,000 quintillion tons. Superman loses.
Logic path B: Superman is weaker than the Hulk, since immeasurable is greater than a measured amount. Therefore his heat vision would burn the Hulk, since it is immeasurable, even though there exists no case of WWH being affected by flames, or heat in the least. If you go by this logic path, Superman is still the same speed as the Hulk, therefore Hulk would have time to grab him and beat the daylights out of him in close range like he did when he fought the Asgardian Destroyer when the Destroyer tried it's disintigration beams on him. Superman Loses.
Logic path C: Superman fanboys take the best of both worlds; they say immeasurable is best when it applies to Superman, and take measured over immeasurable when it benefits Superman. Sorry to those that have said this, but you lose on account of logic alone.
The thunderclap of the cosmos is an on-panel feat and is canon. If you claim the mageddon feat, the Hulk side can easily claim the thunderclapping the dark cosmos as canon. Once again, superman without his speed loses.
To sum up my arguments for those that fail to saw them:
a) 3.6 billion figure is bullshit. If you say that Superman's heat vision is that hot, then by the same logic you have to say that Hulk is strong enough to bust a galaxy, since we can measure the weight of a sun or a planet. Or you can take that 3.6 billion figure as hyperbole, and stick with what on-panel evidence there is, and stick with "hotter than the core of the sun", which value is 15 million, and which value Hulk has already resisted like nothing. Superman's heat vision will do jack-shit.b) If you want to show the megaddon wheel feat, I can show the dark galaxy feat. Hulk wins. PIS rules the day.
c) IF you want to quote the 65 quintillion tons number. I will show the 1,000 quintillion tons figure of the weight of a tectonic plate. It would take far in excess of 65 quintillion tons to hold tectonic plates together from ripping apart.
d) Hulk has never been shown to be strong enough NOT to do something. There is no measurement of strength in which he cannot overcome when angry enough. WWH is stronger, will regenerate faster, and cannot be knocked out with Superman level strength.
The ONLY and I mean ONLY major advantages that Superman has over Hulk are insane speed and flight. Take away the speed and his advantage disappears against WWH, who's base strength is far far above any other hero to be shown on Marvel Earth, and who can amplify it even further. The Beyonder himself said that there was an infinite potential in his strength. Hulk was able to keep up with Drax who had the power gem (Drax who was given the same base level strength as Thanos when he was resurrected).
WWH, in this scenario, wins. End of story. [/B]
Originally posted by Kutulu
Exactly.First off, let's use logic to the two sides of the argument here, since we have certain posters that like to pick and choose.
1) All Star Superman's strength was [b]measured
at baseline 65 quintillion tons. Hulk's strength was immeasurable by human or even scientific mutant instruments (and this is more than once).Who is stronger? According to certain KMC members, Superman would be.
2) Superman's heat vision was immeasurable by human instruments. Hulk's heat resistance has been shown to resist casually 35 million degrees temperature.
Does Hulk's heat resistance exceed the Heat Vision? According to certain KMC members, no.
Now what gives you guys the right to pick and choose which logic you follow?
Logic path A: Superman is stronger than Hulk, because he was measured at 65 quintillion tons strength in an alternate universe. Since measured strength exceeds immeasurable, then Hulk would have no problem resisting Superman's heat vision. He would also be at the very least on part with his strength level, as the tectonic plates he held together weighed 1,000 quintillion tons. Superman loses.
Logic path B: Superman is weaker than the Hulk, since immeasurable is greater than a measured amount. Therefore his heat vision would burn the Hulk, since it is immeasurable, even though there exists no case of WWH being affected by flames, or heat in the least. If you go by this logic path, Superman is still the same speed as the Hulk, therefore Hulk would have time to grab him and beat the daylights out of him in close range like he did when he fought the Asgardian Destroyer when the Destroyer tried it's disintigration beams on him. Superman Loses.
Logic path C: Superman fanboys take the best of both worlds; they say immeasurable is best when it applies to Superman, and take measured over immeasurable when it benefits Superman. Sorry to those that have said this, but you lose on account of logic alone.
The thunderclap of the cosmos is an on-panel feat and is canon. If you claim the mageddon feat, the Hulk side can easily claim the thunderclapping the dark cosmos as canon. Once again, superman without his speed loses.
To sum up my arguments for those that fail to saw them:
a) 3.6 billion figure is bullshit. If you say that Superman's heat vision is that hot, then by the same logic you have to say that Hulk is strong enough to bust a galaxy, since we can measure the weight of a sun or a planet. Or you can take that 3.6 billion figure as hyperbole, and stick with what on-panel evidence there is, and stick with "hotter than the core of the sun", which value is 15 million, and which value Hulk has already resisted like nothing. Superman's heat vision will do jack-shit.b) If you want to show the megaddon wheel feat, I can show the dark galaxy feat. Hulk wins. PIS rules the day.
c) IF you want to quote the 65 quintillion tons number. I will show the 1,000 quintillion tons figure of the weight of a tectonic plate. It would take far in excess of 65 quintillion tons to hold tectonic plates together from ripping apart.
d) Hulk has never been shown to be strong enough NOT to do something. There is no measurement of strength in which he cannot overcome when angry enough. WWH is stronger, will regenerate faster, and cannot be knocked out with Superman level strength.
The ONLY and I mean ONLY major advantages that Superman has over Hulk are insane speed and flight. Take away the speed and his advantage disappears against WWH, who's base strength is far far above any other hero to be shown on Marvel Earth, and who can amplify it even further. The Beyonder himself said that there was an infinite potential in his strength. Hulk was able to keep up with Drax who had the power gem (Drax who was given the same base level strength as Thanos when he was resurrected).
WWH, in this scenario, wins. End of story. [/B]
couple of things
1. dc is WAY more advanced technologically then marvel
2. superman's hv WAS measured. It was over 3 billion degrees. That mean hulk get f*cked up bad.
3. hulk has been shown to be hurt by fire. Read planet hulk
4. Hulk has been shown as not strong enough tons of time so stfu
5. Both character has PIS showings but the fact is that hulktards argue FOR the PIS. At least superfan know when a feat is PIS or not. Ex. Beating Ds. PIS Beating WW Not PIS Holding up eternity =PIS towing planet Not PIS
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
couple of things1. dc is WAY more advanced technologically then marvel
2. superman's hv WAS measured. It was over 3 billion degrees. That mean hulk get f*cked up bad.
3. hulk has been shown to be hurt by fire. Read planet hulk
4. Hulk has been shown as not strong enough tons of time so stfu
5. Both character has PIS showings but the fact is that hulktards argue FOR the PIS. At least superfan know when a feat is PIS or not. Ex. Beating Ds. PIS Beating WW Not PIS Holding up eternity =PIS towing planet Not PIS
Show me the scan where it states 3.6 billion degrees or STFU and GTFO. You have zero proof to back you up.
Originally posted by Kurash
someones get a little testy . . .
It's just the logic used for some of the people on this board are like this:
A=2
B=4
So for person X, A=2, and B=4, but because it's a DC character, A=2000 and B=4000, no matter what proof is shown. When people start saying that the technology is better at measuring weight in DC than it is in Marvel... then people are grasping at straws at best.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
3. hulk has been shown to be hurt by fire. Read planet hulk
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
juggernaut has always been on the winning side,
Originally posted by Accel
I recommend you do the same. Or did you miss the portal that depowered both Hulk and Surfer when they entered through it?
It was never speicifed how much they were weakened
The only part of hulk i would say was weakened was his healing factor
And surfer had been there a while before hulk and had regained a good portion of his strength