Originally posted by Kento
No All-Star started out at what level they wanted that has no bearing on any other Superman at all.
That still doesn't change the fact that superman has lifted about as much as sixty five quintillion or over.
Originally posted by Kento
When did Superman throw a moon-sized ship out of the solar system? I know he threw one out of Earth's atmosphere when fighting Lobo but Lobo saying that he would be circling Earth for what was it a century or something I can't remember if he didn't stop himself was more impressive because just because it's moon-sized doesn't mean it was as heavy as the moon or even how heavy it was.
Well, either way, here it is, and if it is the size of the moon, and made of a heavier element (steel, whatever, which is heavier than moon rocks) then it makes sense that it would either be the same weight as the moon or heavier.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/week05-1994-SupesMOS-30-16.jpg
Originally posted by Kento
Sure three billion degrees is a big leap from fifteen million but wasn't the Hulk that Gladiator fought weaker in healing and durability?
WWH is alot more durable than he used to be, but not 102.85 times more durable... thats what he would have to be. You would have to take the hulk that fought gladiator and multiply his durability 102.85 times by
itsself in order for him to "only" be incinerated... ands wwh is not that durable... Gladiator did not widen his hv, consequentally, only the middle of hulks chest was vaporized... if he had widened his hv, hulk would have been vaporized just like the small hole in his chest. The difference here is that superman can widen his hv, to the size of a planet even... and in this case there really isn't any reason for him not to.
Originally posted by Kento
Hulk's taken reentry without having his skin burnt off, he's been put in the highest degrees Leader could do an he was fine, he survived just fine in lava. What proof is there Superman is going to incinerate him in just seconds?
Lava, reentry, "extreme temperatures" (which doesn't even have to be over 5,000 degrees) combined<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Three Billion degrees.
Originally posted by Sirius77
You would have to take the hulk that fought gladiator and multiply his durability 102.85 times by
itsself in order for him to "only" be incinerated...
Originally posted by Sirius77
Lava, reentry, "extreme temperatures" (which doesn't even have to be over 5,000 degrees) combined<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Three Billion degrees.
Three Billion degrees is a made up figure. You, and any of your other superboy fanboys, have yet to show a single scan showing the figure of three billion degrees. Your arguments lie upon a flawed foundation that any of you have yet to prove even once over the course of 16 pages. Therefore the point is moot, as you are simply making up a figure out of the top of your head.
The only thing I have seen from you is re-iterations of points that were already countered. Fact remains if you lose logic that Hulk will not get burned. Period.
Originally posted by Accel
Not really hard to do. The Hulk that fought Gladiator was also the same Hulk whose durability was in such a decline that Deadpool could easily stab him with an ordinary knife.
If deadpool stabbed him with a knife, then gladiators blast wouldn't even have to touch him to incinerate him... the heat from a few inches away would do the job... 🙁
So with thatsaid, that version of hulk was jobbing pretty hard to deadpool...
Originally posted by Kutulu
Three Billion degrees is a [b]made up figure. You, and any of your other superboy fanboys, have yet to show a single scan showing the figure of three billion degrees. Your arguments lie upon a flawed foundation that any of you have yet to prove even once over the course of 16 pages. Therefore the point is moot, as you are simply making up a figure out of the top of your head.The only thing I have seen from you is re-iterations of points that were already countered. Fact remains if you lose logic that Hulk will not get burned. Period. [/B]
The figure was taken from real life measurements. That is the maximum temperature that has been recorded on Earth... As we all know comicbook tech is >>>> real world tech, so with that said, three billion is a generous lower estimate.
Originally posted by Sirius77
If deadpool stabbed him with a knife, then gladiators blast wouldn't even have to touch him to incinerate him... the heat from a few inches away would do the job... 🙁So with thatsaid, that version of hulk was jobbing pretty hard to deadpool...
Hulk's durability is more in his HF than in straight up durability (as Hulk pointed out to DP in that issue). Also I'm pretty sure it was DP's usual sword.
Originally posted by Sirius77
The figure was taken from real life measurements. That is the maximum temperature that has been recorded on Earth... As we all know comicbook tech is >>>> real world tech, so with that said, three billion is a generous lower estimate.
Continuing your logic Leader must have been using temperatures above 3billion.
Originally posted by Kutulu👆
Exactly.First off, let's use logic to the two sides of the argument here, since we have certain posters that like to pick and choose.
1) All Star Superman's strength was [b]measured
at baseline 65 quintillion tons. Hulk's strength was immeasurable by human or even scientific mutant instruments (and this is more than once).Who is stronger? According to certain KMC members, Superman would be.
2) Superman's heat vision was immeasurable by human instruments. Hulk's heat resistance has been shown to resist casually 35 million degrees temperature.
Does Hulk's heat resistance exceed the Heat Vision? According to certain KMC members, no.
Now what gives you guys the right to pick and choose which logic you follow?
Logic path A: Superman is stronger than Hulk, because he was measured at 65 quintillion tons strength in an alternate universe. Since measured strength exceeds immeasurable, then Hulk would have no problem resisting Superman's heat vision. He would also be at the very least on part with his strength level, as the tectonic plates he held together weighed 1,000 quintillion tons. Superman loses.
Logic path B: Superman is weaker than the Hulk, since immeasurable is greater than a measured amount. Therefore his heat vision would burn the Hulk, since it is immeasurable, even though there exists no case of WWH being affected by flames, or heat in the least. If you go by this logic path, Superman is still the same speed as the Hulk, therefore Hulk would have time to grab him and beat the daylights out of him in close range like he did when he fought the Asgardian Destroyer when the Destroyer tried it's disintigration beams on him. Superman Loses.
Logic path C: Superman fanboys take the best of both worlds; they say immeasurable is best when it applies to Superman, and take measured over immeasurable when it benefits Superman. Sorry to those that have said this, but you lose on account of logic alone.
The thunderclap of the cosmos is an on-panel feat and is canon. If you claim the mageddon feat, the Hulk side can easily claim the thunderclapping the dark cosmos as canon. Once again, superman without his speed loses.
To sum up my arguments for those that fail to saw them:
a) 3.6 billion figure is bullshit. If you say that Superman's heat vision is that hot, then by the same logic you have to say that Hulk is strong enough to bust a galaxy, since we can measure the weight of a sun or a planet. Or you can take that 3.6 billion figure as hyperbole, and stick with what on-panel evidence there is, and stick with "hotter than the core of the sun", which value is 15 million, and which value Hulk has already resisted like nothing. Superman's heat vision will do jack-shit.b) If you want to show the megaddon wheel feat, I can show the dark galaxy feat. Hulk wins. PIS rules the day.
c) IF you want to quote the 65 quintillion tons number. I will show the 1,000 quintillion tons figure of the weight of a tectonic plate. It would take far in excess of 65 quintillion tons to hold tectonic plates together from ripping apart.
d) Hulk has never been shown to be strong enough NOT to do something. There is no measurement of strength in which he cannot overcome when angry enough. WWH is stronger, will regenerate faster, and cannot be knocked out with Superman level strength.
The ONLY and I mean ONLY major advantages that Superman has over Hulk are insane speed and flight. Take away the speed and his advantage disappears against WWH, who's base strength is far far above any other hero to be shown on Marvel Earth, and who can amplify it even further. The Beyonder himself said that there was an infinite potential in his strength. Hulk was able to keep up with Drax who had the power gem (Drax who was given the same base level strength as Thanos when he was resurrected).
WWH, in this scenario, wins. End of story. [/B]
Originally posted by Gecko4lifHere we go again with the dc is way more advanced than marvel. This is absurd to say the least.
couple of things1. dc is WAY more advanced technologically then marvel
2. superman's hv WAS measured. It was over 3 billion degrees. That mean hulk get f*cked up bad.
3. hulk has been shown to be hurt by fire. Read planet hulk
4. Hulk has been shown as not strong enough tons of time so stfu
5. Both character has PIS showings but the fact is that hulktards argue FOR the PIS. At least superfan know when a feat is PIS or not. Ex. Beating Ds. PIS Beating WW Not PIS Holding up eternity =PIS towing planet Not PIS
So you are saying only the superman fans know what is pis and what isnt. You are the same guy who claimed Ds could take out a celestial.
Hulk has beaten Thor before and this hulk is more pissed off and therofre more powerful than any previous version.
Who cares what happend to hulk in plent hulk. THIS IS WW HULK.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345WW Hulk went through mutant after mutant and dismissed Juggernaut when he wanted to. He even held his ground. WW Hulk>Juggernaut.
Dont feel like digging up a bunch of scans,hulk has never beat juggernaut without a power up(war hulk)juggernaut has always been on the winning side,even wwh had to bfr.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Actually, all that was stated was extreme temperatures.The comic that I was referring to said that it was higher than
what could be recorded, which is three billion degrees.
Since humans can measure the weight of the sun, and Hulk can lift more than they can measure, going by your logic then he can easily lift the weight of the sun.
Correct?
Originally posted by Sirius77Where did you get this number from. Oh thats right you are speculating and trying to pass it off as a fact. Some things dont ever change.
Speculation. All that we know is that he was exposed to extreme temperatures. As I said, that can mean anything from eight hundred
to six thousand degrees.
