Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, MAYBE, because my country{as far as the government and state media goes} ADORES america. maybe because its openly letting america use it as a base to bomb the crap out of afghani civilians{actually been there and seen it} maybe because its rather happy calling all poor humans living in certain regions as terrorists, maybe because its media is very much pro america? maybe because my country's propaganda is PRO west. its only private news channels which report this stuff. fortunately i happen to be living in/going to a lot of the places where i can verify it first hand{or maybe because as luck wud have it, i happen to find myself in situations at the time when its actually HAPPENING, so no verification is required}
Originally posted by Nellinator
Ermm, I find it hard to loathe myself for being an American.
(What a **** he be.)
that is how much attention youve been paying while actually READING my posts.{explains a lot as i can see that u werent reading my previous posts at all}.
if you were reading, youd hear the word "musharraf" in ther sumwhere wudnt u zeal? theres also the word "president" in there sumwhere, now piece it all together.{god help u if u havent gotten it}
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
How do you know that you're not a victim of your country's own propaganda?
That's the pot calling the kettle...
Originally posted by Devil King
Okay. That's pretty weak. If you want to discuss god changing his mind, it can only be viable in regards to what he last said. I don't recall the verse where Jesus supported war...or murder. Your logic that god does/did change his mind doesn't speak very well to the claim that he is all-knowing and timeless. If god says one thing to one group of people, and means it at the time, and says another thing to another group of people, and means it at the time, then it's prefectly logical to assume that all religous disagreements are baseless. (Which they are) That would mean that god is to those people what they need him to be. And if God changes based on the needs of the people with which he's communicating, then god would be all things to all people. So, the concept of god is either flawed, or the fictional work of the people who worship him.and let's get to the real subject of what I said: The number of christians in positions of power that abandon their religious "principles" when no one is looking or no one finds out about it. There is nothing erroneous about that.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no. i have a lot. but you will simply deny it based on that fact that these things do not happen in front of YOU, and based on the western medias{reguardless if its fox or bbc} version of the incidents which are taken as authentic. the things i have are hidden well on the international level, even if it is blatant truth at the national level.right now, i am living in a country under martial law. where the right of gathering as well as all human rights are suspnded. where all of the opposition{thousands of people in high political posts} is in jails along with a few other family memebers. the courts have been dismissed as has the constitution. lawers are beaten up and jailed, human rights activists are beaten up and jailed{all by the police/rangers}.
telephones/cell phones/internet was completely cut for a day. ALL private news channels are unable to show. their owners/employees are threatened by kidnapping etc as well as laws which STOP them from reporting anyuthing detrimental to the government{among many MNAY other thigns}
all so that america's *****, musharraf can stay in power and slaughter thousands uponm thousands of his country men{men women and children} under the name of taking actions against TERRORISTS, in the war against terror. not to mention slaughter his army men too in the cross fire. remember the red mosque mister know it all, i live right infront of it. and if you had seen the things governments do to little children and teachers just to please america and kill "TERRORISTS" , youd loathe yourself for being an american{that i can ASSURE you}.
but ocourse, how can i make you beleive any of that, when the western media reports the number of deaths as between 108/180 when infact over 1800 children are OFFICIALLY confirmed dead here? as you can see, i shall have very little to offer you since you simply do not KNOW what the world is going through.
americas controls/manipulates half the world with corrupt politicians/puppet governments. {last time i checked, musharraf was given an over 4 billion dollar payoff in cash in his swiss bank acocunt. and that is just ONE which was found out among manty MANY other things. same with our other dear lady, benazir, 1.7 billions dollar payoff in her swiss bank account. ofcourse, the means of knowledge that you have will never state these facts}.
so keep living in your nice little world calling other people's claims false. your country is NOT going down anything yet, it is surviving pretty well economically on all the resources it drains from the rest of the world.{ofcourse, SOCIALLY its another thing}
{now be a nice american and call me a deluded conspiracy theorist who does not have the statistics/figures to back up his claims and go n have a nice self righteous nap}
You know, many Americans don't like how America is handling itself either.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Okay. That's pretty weak. If you want to discuss god changing his mind, it can only be viable in regards to what he last said. I don't recall the verse where Jesus supported war...or murder.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'"
Your logic that god does/did change his mind doesn't speak very well to the claim that he is all-knowing and timeless. If god says one thing to one group of people, and means it at the time, and says another thing to another group of people, and means it at the time, then it's prefectly logical to assume that all religous disagreements are baseless. (Which they are) That would mean that god is to those people what they need him to be. And if God changes based on the needs of the people with which he's communicating, then god would be all things to all people. So, the concept of god is either flawed, or the fictional work of the people who worship him.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
and let's get to the real subject of what I said: The number of christians in positions of power that abandon their religious "principles" when no one is looking or no one finds out about it. There is nothing erroneous about that.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
You know, I was actually thinking on how you gave up that schtick...but then you posted the picture of the sock again.God has not changed His mind, and God has not changed what He has said. Rather, God has planned everything in order to save man from his sins; the Law was for atonement until the perfect sacrifice was made. At the time of this perfect sacrifice, humans were released from the Law's strict regulations and under the grace of God.
That's probably true.
May I have specific chapters and verses, please?
Originally posted by Devil King
May I have specific chapters and verses, please?
You would just interpret it wrong. 😛 You have to have the holly spirit in you in order to understand the bible. A satan follower, like your self, could never understand the bible.
At least that is what "they" think, but they will never tell you. 😄
Originally posted by Devil King
May I have specific chapters and verses, please?
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
-Jeremiah 31:31-34
"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
-Hebrews 9:15
"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
— Romans 9:6-8
Originally posted by Nellinator
Probably something like:"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
-Jeremiah 31:31-34"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
-Hebrews 9:15"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
— Romans 9:6-8
Probably not.
I asked for the specific chapters and verses where -->Jesus<-- called for war and murder. If you don't have those specific chapters and verses, there's no need to post a response. Given the fact that there's not one single word or verse or rule or suggestion written by Jesus, the likes of Paul and other followers will have to suffice. However, the only New Testament verses you list are from Romans and Hebrews, and doesn't address the opinion of Jesus, at all...only Jewish entitlement.
Originally posted by Devil King
Probably not.I asked for the specific chapters and verses where -->Jesus<-- called for war and murder. If you don't have those specific chapters and verses, there's no need to post a response. Given the fact that there's not one single word or verse or rule or suggestion written by Jesus, the likes of Paul and other followers will have to suffice. However, the only New Testament verses you list are from Romans and Hebrews, and doesn't address the opinion of Jesus, at all...only Jewish entitlement.
Jesus could not write, at least that is how it looks. Because nothing he wrote has survived.
Originally posted by Devil KingIt really sounded like you were asking for a reasoning for:
Probably not.I asked for the specific chapters and verses where -->Jesus<-- called for war and murder. If you don't have those specific chapters and verses, there's no need to post a response. Given the fact that there's not one single word or verse or rule or suggestion written by Jesus, the likes of Paul and other followers will have to suffice. However, the only New Testament verses you list are from Romans and Hebrews, and doesn't address the opinion of Jesus, at all...only Jewish entitlement.
Rather, God has planned everything in order to save man from his sins; the Law was for atonement until the perfect sacrifice was made. At the time of this perfect sacrifice, humans were released from the Law's strict regulations and under the grace of God.
The closest Jesus said would be :
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."
-Luke 12:51-53