Originally posted by Soljer
Lest he comes and auto-bans him first.Thus far, the only bans that have been handed out have been auto-bans due to a clear rule violation - I don't think anyone's been banned on the basis of votes.
Hmm...
Nightcrawler is a gray area. On his own he would never OHK a living being, just as Gambit wouldn't charge a living being and blow them up, and banning a character due to a possible outcome from amalgamation (mixing Kurt with a villain's mindset) isn't an avenue I'd like to go down because I don't want to start banning possible amalgamation outcomes.
Blink was banned due to the fact that on panel, of her own volition, she has used he powers to surgically slice up a living person, and no one at this level has a defense for it. 616 Nightcrawler has never done that to my knowledeg. That's the distinction between the two. However, the rule is no neutering, even self imposed neutering. If evidence can be shown of 616 Kurt purposely dismembering an organic being via his teleportation he'd be banned instantly. Period. Otherwise, we'll assume that 616 Kurt (and Spot) simply doesn't have the ability (to dismember organic beings) due to lack of evidence, and that ability is formally, of course, banned anyway via The OHK Rule. This isn't neutering of Kurt (or Spot), if any of you find a scan of 616 Nightcrawler (or Spot) severing off a body part from a living being he'll be removed.
Originally posted by SoljerThat's why I said that the votes are like impeaching the president. Most people think its an auto-kick but its not. It just brings them up on charges. Venom is a clear example of this. he finally got the 12 votes. but with insufficianet evidence he was cleared to stay in the tourny.
Lest he comes and auto-bans him first.Thus far, the only bans that have been handed out have been auto-bans due to a clear rule violation - I don't think anyone's been banned on the basis of votes.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's why I said that the votes are like impeaching the president. Most people think its an auto-kick but its not. It just brings them up on charges. Venom is a clear example of this. he finally got the 12 votes. but with insufficianet evidence he was cleared to stay in the tourny.
He got the twelve votes? Why did Jason, Ill, and myself not then consider him? I certainly would have given him the boot from a Spidey-level tourney.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm...Nightcrawler is a gray area. On his own he would never OHK a living being, just as Gambit wouldn't charge a living being and blow them up, and banning a character due to a possible outcome from amalgamation (mixing Kurt with a villain's mindset) isn't an avenue I'd like to go down because I don't want to start banning possible amalgamation outcomes.
Blink was banned due to the fact that on panel, of her own volition, she has used he powers to surgically slice up a living person, and no one at this level has a defense for it. 616 Nightcrawler has never done that to my knowledeg. That's the distinction between the two. However, the rule is no neutering, even self imposed neutering. If evidence can be shown of 616 Kurt purposely dismembering an organic being via his teleportation he'd be banned instantly. Period. Otherwise, we'll assume that 616 Kurt (and Spot) simply doesn't have the ability (to dismember [b]organic
beings) due to lack of evidence, and that ability is formally, of course, banned anyway via The OHK Rule. This isn't neutering of Kurt (or Spot), if any of you find a scan of 616 Nightcrawler (or Spot) severing off a body part from a living being he'll be removed. [/B]
OK, kurt has never severed a part of a living being, he can do it, but ok, I'm sure you judges will catch any thing like that.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's why I said that the votes are like impeaching the president. Most people think its an auto-kick but its not. It just brings them up on charges. Venom is a clear example of this. he finally got the 12 votes. but with insufficianet evidence he was cleared to stay in the tourny.
Evidence of what exactly?
Originally posted by Akuki
[b]Venom: Akuki, Badabing, Blair, Bran, Charlotte Debel, Citizen V, DarkCrawler, Digi, Fox, King Kandy, Nver, Smurph
Reason: One hit K.O. and mind control abilities via symbiote.Venom has 12 and can be sent to the judges. [/B]
Originally posted by illadelph12
We're going to need more evidence against Venom. The evidence presented as "OHKO" and "mind control" do not help the case against the character. In the scans, the victim of the supposed OHK and mind control abilities had Eddie Brock bound to an operating table and connected to a device which would remove the symbiote, and he states that he's attempting to forcibly extract the symbiote from Brock and bond with it himself thinking the resultant merger will make him immortal, and then in so doing becomes overwhelmed by the mental effects of the merger. That does not show Venom using telepathic attacks as the victim purposely merged himself with the symbiote and caused the effect by merging minds with the lifeform, and it also doesn't display a OHK ability because this was not an attack and there's no evidence that Brock can simply have the symbiote merge with whoever he wants. .As for the other "feats", bringing down an already burning building via breaking the support beams of the foundation is an empty feat, and also, while catching bullets in your mouth and then spitting the bullets, at point blank range, into the human shooter and apparently killing him is impressive, it's not necessarily an "over the caps" feat. Sabrertooth could have a mini gun emptied on him or a building explode around him and keep going, and many of the combatants in this tourney, and the low meta tier, can deal with gunshots and fire pretty easily.
I need a little something more that puts Venom out. You have the necessary votes, but the case and the evidence levied against Venom at this point is weak.
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Looks like all the rosters are complete. The Confirmation process ends on 12/7, so you still have time to gather evidence against disputed characters and have them removed.
Venom has been allowed thus far due to lack of evidence which puts him beyond the low meta cap. Again, Spider-Man himself is not the cap, he's simply the figure head/mascot for this tier (akin to a Street/"Batman" level), and the ability to beat Spider-man down does not automatically disqualify you from the tournament. Nothing I've seen as evidence against Venom puts him beyond the caps, particularly when you consider some of the other characters in this tier.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Venom has been allowed thus far due to lack of evidence which puts him beyond the low meta cap. Again, Spider-Man himself is [b]not the cap, he's simply the figure head/mascot for this tier (akin to a Street/"Batman" level), and the ability to beat Spider-man down does not automatically disqualify you from the tournament. Nothing I've seen as evidence against Venom puts him beyond the caps, particularly when you consider some of the other characters in this tier. [/B]
I have nothing in personal against Venom, he's much more convinient opponent than say Grey Fox team. I've just posted the scans I believed to be the evidence of mind control- though he's not as frequent in that as Carnage.
But if judges think he's normal, I drop my objections.