Illadelph's Multi Genre Team Tournament Confirmation Thread

Started by Charlotte DeBel153 pages

Not hidden potehntial in general (that's quite normal)- but the powers\abilities which are banned from the tourney normally (true mind-affecting active telepathy) and can be achieved via certain combos are suspectable to ban.
That's much more serious case than all the mess Trickster tries to create about Spot. In that context self imposed mental plocks basically turn into neutering.

And, can't she just remove the mental block whenever she wishes?

It' just training to shut out other telepaths, but it's something that (iirc), she has to actively impose on herself.

What I am claiming about Spot is serious. He has a mid meta or higher ability to avoid damage and the only thing that restricted him is CIS, which is not applicable for this tournament. And I already showed how he can immobilize people with them having no way of getting out.

2nd, Sage can easily restore her TP and via Synch, give everyone on your team high end TP. Yet ANOTHER reason to ban her. 👇

I think it isn't she who should be banned but Synch. And not to everyone- what BS you're talking here? Synch can just "synch" her ability- but without mental block AND using it at higher level than Sage herself. That's tricky case. Also I can provide you with more stuff that can be done by using Synch. Jubilee and Sage weren't chosen by them without reason.

There were no bans on immobilization (Venom can immobilize people with his "webbing" just as well and very little of them would have a way of getting out of them) neither there were bans on dodging\redirecting stuff or teleportation.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
And, can't she just remove the mental block whenever she wishes?

It' just training to shut out other telepaths, but it's something that (iirc), she has to actively impose on herself.

That's conscious mental block so theoretically it's removable. Too bad with Synch they can get a Psylocke-level active telepath (or in worst case 4 telepaths at said level+portable Cerebra if using prep at X-Mansion). Also Synch was showm using Jubilee's powers more accurate than Jubilee herself- he doesn't just use other chars' abilities, he uses them sometimes better than they themselves use them.

For example, "spot bubbles" is something that theoretically can be done but not with Spot's knowledge. Spot by himself has no computer mind neither he has ideal memory to do the stuff Blair Wind did with amalgam.

The only combo I'm worried about is Synch+Sage since it can result in cheating agaist the rules and makes Sage's presence here basically violating no neutering rule.

Damn. Can't find stuff about Synch, Jubilee and TP guiding- that's from Phalanx arc and was somewhere in Emma's RT.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
For example, "spot bubbles" is something that theoretically can be done but not with Spot's knowledge. Spot by himself has no computer mind neither he has ideal memory to do the stuff Blair Wind did with amalgam.

The only combo I'm worried about is Synch+Sage since it can result in cheating agaist the rules and makes Sage's presence here basically violating no neutering rule.

Spot's gotten a lot better at using his portals. Or did you not read Modok's 11?

Sage's 'mental block' is a self-imposed defense screen. She can remove it at any time.

Originally posted by llagrok
I agree on banning any power that can unlock hidden potential within any character.

Amalgam tourneys are about power meshing. Character A is Spiderman level, Character B is Spiderman level, it doesn't matter if character AB is Thanos level - that's just smart picking.

But Spot isn't spiderman level if CIS is thrown out. That's the point.

Haven't read his latest appearances yet, mea culpa. But still can't completely encage himself into "spot bubble" or whatever the hell BW called that.

She had little to no offencive feats, Synch worries me a lot more. It seems that their team are basically prepared for legal cheating. A simple 2 chars amalgam and voilia- at least 4 Psylocke-level TP users at their service.

And Synch can turn Sage's powers active not via amalgamation but simply by using his normal powerset at her.

CIS thrown out doesn't give him computer mind or ability to model 3D constructs with perfect accuracy. By the way, the same stuff you say abot Spot can be said about Venom. Venom even has sort of TP himself (ask Jinzin for proof and there were Brock Venom feats).

Mirror Master has offensive organic matter manip. He can turn an opponent into a mirror with his gun. Here's an example:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Scangstas-SR1-p07.jpg

And about amping via amalgamation- that's good, wonderful stuff- but not when trying to legalize banned powers.

Also let's clear that affecting opponent's body physically via chi to make it (body) to do some movements isn't a TP.
1. It requires close range and possibly even contact or being less than 10 metres from your opponent.
2. Mind stays fully aware of what's happening with your body so it's possible to counteract that even if it means severing your body.

I'm talking about that since both Kenshiro from our pick and Iron Fist from Smurph's have said ability- to clarify that it's no TP under any sause.

Originally posted by Akuki
Mirror Master has offensive organic matter manip. He can turn an opponent into a mirror with his gun. Here's an example:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/hitokiri7303/Scangstas-SR1-p07.jpg

Those things were made of mirror already.

Obviously. 🙄

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But Spot isn't spiderman level if CIS is thrown out. That's the point.

Prove.

It.

That's the point of this thread. I've heard a lot of "OH NOEZ" thrown around, but very little concrete proof.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Jubilee and Sage weren't chosen by them without reason.

You think you know...but you have no idea. 😖hifty:

On the Spot issue, he is just a different version of Blink basically. He is a smart pick, one I even mentioned, but darth had originally thought he was too much. Props 👆

Soljer, I want your opinion as a judge on some stuff I presented at previous page regarding Synch and Sage. I see that not as honest amalgam, but as a cheating- if character has self-imposed mental block on banned ability (active offencive TP) and another character can not only remove that block but use that ability AMPLIFYING it, it sounds like something illegal and doesn't fulfilling the rules of amalgamation.

For example, if we amalgam character who can amp his stats via chi with character with superhuman physical stats, we get perfectly legal amalgam- even if the physical stats of amalgam would be at Wonder Woman level (for example).
But an amalgam (and not even an amalgam but a char using his powers on his teammate during prep time) which grants you an ability banned from the tourney sounds like cheating.

I have to look up stuff on that alternate reality future version of Jubilee (called Vertigo or somewhat)😉
Also I'm not sure whether Sage's "jumpstart" powers can result in that.

But thought of legally getting 4 Psylocke-level telepaths using offensive telepathy and stuff in your team via simple 2 characters amalgam is terrifying.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Soljer, I want your opinion as a judge on some stuff I presented at previous page regarding Synch and Sage. I see that not as honest amalgam, but as a cheating- if character has self-imposed mental block on banned ability (active offencive TP) and another character can not only remove that block but use that ability AMPLIFYING it, it sounds like something illegal and doesn't fulfilling the rules of amalgamation.

The rule is no offensive telepathy - not no characters with offensive telepathy. I believe this is a clear distinction from the matter manipulation rule which SPECIFICALLY says "No character capable of offensive, organic matter manipulation will be allowed."

For example, let us say that Emma Frost was within the cap limits. You could draft emma and use her diamond form, but would be disallowed from using any offensive telepathy during the tournament - still being granted full access to whatever 'passive' telepathic abilities you'd glean from her use.

If an amalgam is a telepathic powerhouse in an amalgam - cool - but the use of that power directly on the opposition is banned. Ill can feel free to overturn my interpretation, but that's how I read the rules.