Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphYes it.
That's not the point.The only characters that could take an even split with Gideon in low meta are likely those who derive all of their powers from an external source (Venom), or those with healing factors themselves superior to his.
Combined with his potential, and the fact that he can have six powersets/skill sets at a time, derived from ANY superhuman or humanoid machine permanently (afaik), means that he'd wreck whole teams of low metas.
And who cares which low-metas can beat him the fact is that low-metas can. There are other Low-Metas that would wreck Spiderman but do well against other low-metas. Should they be banned. Heck there have been a number of different times venom has down right wrecked Spiderman.
And potential once again falls under Power Meshing he can only exceed that caps through Power meshing which has no limits.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphSeeing as Deathstroke cna fight Green Lantern, Hawkman, Atom, Zantanna, and Flash at the same time I could see him having a shot.
So you'd say that Deathstroke and Wolverine could take:Sunspot, Caliban, Warpath (pre-depowerment), Siryn, Meltdown, Shatterstar and Domino?
And Wolverine is Wolverine he has flat out hard to beat even for teams.
Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that this has already been established as Power Meshing as Power copiers must have other people help them achieve those levels and there are no limits with Power Meshing.So like I said the Basis is there Power Copying is solely Meshing so there is no limnit to what he can copy as long as it comes from someone else.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
On top of all that, Gideon could probably take Wolverine, Deathstroke, Deadpool, Sabertooth and the rest because he'd be able to copy their healing factors in addition to his own, so he'd have twice the healing, and all the same physical stats, and powers...
No. He'd have an exponential healing factor. As shown when the xbabies fought that guy who could steal thier powers with thier signatures. He would absorb thier powers and when they stacked, they would multiply, not add. He couldn't be hurt becuz he had rogues powers, added on top of wolvies, on top of collossus, and they were the kid versions. But becuz of the multiplying factor, they couldn't beat him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlMeh you don't want hi mto copy your guy's Amalgams the ndon't amalgam your characters 😛
Well just have to make sure that Gideon doesn't have any means of doing that wont' we. Nvr is about to get nasty on that ass. I still don't think he's fair at copying the amalgams themselves, but hey, do what you do and do it well.
and that was joke by the way.
And I'm not saying it is definitive just in line with what has been established with tourney doctrine so far. That once combined amalgams are one characters therefore they have one powerset.
Ill can still make a judgment call on it at any time of course.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphIts hard to really double Wolverine's and Sabertooth's Healing factors to noticeable degrees. For instance stack Sabertooth and Wolverine's healing factors on top of eachother than have them fight someone with just one of theirs. It would still be a very close match and would very hard to decide who would win.
On top of all that, Gideon could probably take Wolverine, Deathstroke, Deadpool, Sabertooth and the rest because he'd be able to copy their healing factors in addition to his own, so he'd have twice the healing, and all the same physical stats, and powers...
Originally posted by Newjak
Meh you don't want hi mto copy your guy's Amalgams the ndon't amalgam your characters 😛and that was joke by the way.
And I'm not saying it is definitive just in line with what has been established with tourney doctrine so far. That once combined amalgams are one characters therefore they have one powerset.
Ill can still make a judgment call on it at any time of course.
Dont' worry. I just remembered that more than two of my characters have the same nifty ability. Gideon wont' even be an eternal after i'm done with him. Have fun. toodles.
Originally posted by NewjakSeeing as Venom's NOT low meta and shouldn't be in this tournament, that's inconsequential.
Yes it.And who cares which low-metas can beat him the fact is that low-metas can. There are other Low-Metas that would wreck Spiderman but do well against other low-metas. Should they be banned. Heck there have been a number of different times venom has down right wrecked Spiderman.
And potential once again falls under Power Meshing he can only exceed that caps through Power meshing which has no limits.
Wolverine's a low meta. He could easily take wins, or even a majority against the Thing.
Does that make Thing a low meta? After all, he's getting matched by one...
And Nvr requested a rule about the caps for power copying for a reason...
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphConsidering everything Wolverine and Slade have done I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to give them a run for their moneys.
No... they really can't.Siryn takes out Wolverine
Meltdown, Sunspot, Shatterstar, Domino, Warpath and Caliban would just be overkill for Slade.Especially with weakened healing factors and all...
I mean seriously Slade can give a fight to the Teen Titans who would stomp all over that Roster.
And Wolverine in notorious for being hard for teams to put down.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI was thinking at the time about how Exiles Mimic had both Logan and Deadpool's HFs, and it stacked... srug
No. He'd have an exponential healing factor. As shown when the xbabies fought that guy who could steal thier powers with thier signatures. He would absorb thier powers and when they stacked, they would multiply, not add. He couldn't be hurt becuz he had rogues powers, added on top of wolvies, on top of collossus, and they were the kid versions. But becuz of the multiplying factor, they couldn't beat him.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Seeing as Venom's NOT low meta and shouldn't be in this tournament, that's inconsequential.Wolverine's a low meta. He could easily take wins, or even a majority against the Thing.
Does that make Thing a low meta? After all, he's getting matched by one...
And Nvr requested a rule about the caps for power copying for a reason...
I did. Becuz if He copies my amalgams, I'm done. I'm gonna have to fight them with no amalgams in order to even do ok. The amalgams I have would be ruined if they could be merged into one perfect being. Becuz that is what Gideon will be if he copies my characters. Just look at them. He will be able to pwn my entire line up in about two seconds flat.A nd I know becuz I wish I could mege my amalgams into one being LMAO.
Originally posted by NewjakYou know this... how?
Its hard to really double Wolverine's and Sabertooth's Healing factors to noticeable degrees. For instance stack Sabertooth and Wolverine's healing factors on top of eachother than have them fight someone with just one of theirs. It would still be a very close match and would very hard to decide who would win.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphExcept it would essentially be Wolverine against Wolverine not Wolverine against Thing so a bad comparison.
Seeing as Venom's NOT low meta and shouldn't be in this tournament, that's inconsequential.Wolverine's a low meta. He could easily take wins, or even a majority against the Thing.
Does that make Thing a low meta? After all, he's getting matched by one...
And Nvr requested a rule about the caps for power copying for a reason...
Gideon is only as powerful as who he is fighting unlike the Thing who is a set level.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
I was thinking at the time about how Exiles Mimic had both Logan and Deadpool's HFs, and it stacked... srug
Originally posted by NewjakWhich was PIS...
Seeing as Deathstroke cna fight Green Lantern, Hawkman, Atom, Zantanna, and Flash at the same time I could see him having a shot.And Wolverine is Wolverine he has flat out hard to beat even for teams.
Which isn't a reason...
Either way, I wouldn't have objected to Crule or Absolomon, who were the Externals that nearly beat that entire lineup.
But, we're talking somebody with the same healing factor/durability and fighting skills, along with being able to keep 6 powers or skill sets indefinitely (afaik), from ANY superhuman or machine?
Originally posted by NewjakYou made a comment that there was a low meta who could beat Gideon (though I still have yet to hear you mention one), I made the same comment about Thing. Just pointing out that a singular low meta beating a singular "> low meta" doesn't mean jack.
Except it would essentially be Wolverine against Wolverine not Wolverine against Thing so a bad comparison.Gideon is only as powerful as who he is fighting unlike the Thing who is a set level.
Gideon's more powerful than who he's fighting thanks to his External HF/durability.