Illadelph's Multi Genre Team Tournament Confirmation Thread

Originally posted by Newjak
Yep but Wolverine with two healing factors not greater than Wolverine and 1 healing Factor Plus Admantium Claws.

Plus once agian you guys are missing the point you have to prove that at base levles Gideon is too much for this tier and he isn't.

His Power Copying is soley Power Meshing therefore has no limits. the only way to get rid of him is to prove that at Base Levels he is too high which he isn't.

Gideon = His Opponent + Insane Healing Factor/Durability.

Gideon = Over the cap.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
His ability at base is too be able to copy powers. So that argument is pointless.

If Invisible Woman never used her powers in a fight against Batman, I'd give the odds to Bruce.

And we have him at base levels therefore yes you do have to prove that base abilities he is to powerful for this level. Which nothing you have said does.

Without power copying at base levels most if not all the people taken would beat Gideon for a majority. Even if he did Copy them one n one most would still give him a huge fight and there are quite a few who would take a split or majority against him.

Once again this doesn't put him over the levels with what has been established.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Actually, I'd give Wolverine with bone claws and 2 healing factors the odds against Wolverine with adamantium and 1 HF...

Gideon = His Opponent + Insane Healing Factor/Durability.

Gideon = Over the cap.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except once again Power copying is Power meshing and Invisible Woman's power are once again stationary. Gideon would only have Low-Meta people to copy from therefore it isn't the same thing. He can only be low-meta going into this tourney no matter which way you dice it. What happens in match is Power Meshing.

Originally posted by Newjak
And we have him at base levels therefore yes you do have to prove that base abilities he is to powerful for this level. Which nothing you have said does.

Originally posted by Newjak
Without power copying at base levels most if not all the people taken would beat Gideon for a majority. Even if he did Copy them one n one most would still give him a huge fight and there are quite a few who would take a split or majority against him.

Once again this doesn't put him over the levels with what has been established.

And, actually, it does... because, one on one, he can copy his opponents, and add their powers to his healing factor and durability, which is insane.

Originally posted by Newjak
I wouldn't seeing as Admantium Wolverine could dice up Wolverine with two healing factors into Ribbons 😕

Addy Wolves would deal more damage... but we all know how powerful Logan's HF is. Imagine if he had Gideon's as well?

Pretty shweet. Especially taking into account Nvr's evidence that powers like those multiply and not stack.

Bone Claw Wolves would decimate him.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Bruce Banner turning into the Hulk is Power Meshing then, eh?

Again, can I draft Bruce Banner?

"Without power copying...", again "If Invisible Woman doesn't use her powers..." same thing.

And, actually, it does... because, one on one, he can copy his opponents, and add their powers to his healing factor and durability, which is insane.

Gideon is only as strong as the people around him maybe a little more but nothing really Dramatic and needs other people to push him past the limits.

Like I've been saying Power Meshing.

Which has been the whole point without outside help Gideon is in fact low-meta. Once he gets outside help though it becomes power meshing, so base Gideon is legal. Gideon taking powers from other people in prep and in match is legal.

He is legal in every aspect of this tourney that has been established with Power copiers.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
No... Bone Claw Wolves is faster and more agile, and would more likely be the one doing the cutting.

Addy Wolves would deal more damage... but we all know how powerful Logan's HF is. Imagine if he had Gideon's as well?

Pretty shweet. Especially taking into account Nvr's evidence that powers like those multiply and not stack.

Bone Claw Wolves would decimate him.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except Banner doesn't need outside help to make him stronger. Same thing with Invisible Woman.

Invisible Woman is a completely separate analogy...

Originally posted by Newjak
Gideon is only as strong as the people around him maybe a little more but nothing really Dramatic and needs other people to push him past the limits.

Six on One:
Gideon = ALL his opponents + Insane Durability/Healing Factor

It doesn't matter whether they're mutants, super humans, or even machines.

Originally posted by Newjak
Like I've been saying Power Meshing.

It's asinine to say "Well, he hasn't used his power yet, so he's still low meta".

Again, Bruce hasn't turned into Hulk yet.

Which has been the whole point without outside help Gideon is in fact low-meta. Once he gets outside help though it becomes power meshing, so base Gideon is legal. Gideon taking powers from other people in prep and in match is legal.

Originally posted by Newjak
He is legal in every aspect of this tourney that has been established with Power copiers.

Could I draft base Amazo?

Originally posted by Newjak
Not very much difference though and Wolverine's Healing factor is still amazing. Also unlike Admantium Wolverine Bone-Claw could be cut in half decapitated, have vital organs pierced, and have limbs cut off. All things Wolverine takes a lot longer to heal from while all gideon Wolverine would be able to do is cut muscle which Wolverine has always healed incredibly fast.

He'd overload Logan long before the that happens to him.

Gideon could stalemate a team of Spider-Man, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Human Torch, Cyclops, and Mr. Fantastic.

For instance.

How, exactly, is that low meta?

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Classic Banner would. Besides, that doesn't matter. If it happens mid-match, it's power meshing. 🙂

Invisible Woman is a completely separate analogy...
One on One:
Gideon = His opponents + Insane Durability/Healing factor

Six on One:
Gideon = ALL his opponents + Insane Durability/Healing Factor

It doesn't matter whether they're mutants, super humans, or even machines.

His power is to have the powers of everyone around him.

It's asinine to say "Well, he hasn't used his power yet, so he's still low meta".

Again, Bruce hasn't turned into Hulk yet.

Which has been the whole point without outside help Gideon is in fact low-meta. Once he gets outside help though it becomes power meshing, so base Gideon is legal. Gideon taking powers from other people in prep and in match is legal.

Seeing as we haven't established a limit to power copiers, that doesn't even matter.

Could I draft base Amazo?

Also Banner turning into Hulk mid Match is not Power Meshing it unleashing the power he already had. Gideon's power is to get other powers. Without outside help he gets no extra power from that. Once again bad Analogy.

Gideon=Gideon over the limits is what you have to prove because we are taking him without any added powers. There what is Gideon without outside help but Low-Meta.

It has nothing to do about him not using his power but without other powers, which he doesn't have, because only low-meta power is floating around here.

Unlike Banner or Invisible girl you have low-herald level power at all times even if Banner is in human form his power is still inside him. And that power is Herald Level.

Once again Gideon doesn't have access to powers over the limit in this match and can only go past the limit by stacking multiple powers together which is power meshing. Because he needs outside power sources to get there.

Banner doesn't he always has that.

So just to repeat it bad Analogy all around.

Also if you could prove that Base Amazo without the Powers of the JLA is low-meta than yes you could pick him. the problem is that amazo's base level without powers isn't know. gideon's is and it is low-meta.

Once agai nhe is legal in every aspect that has been discussed i nthis tourney. From Power Meshing to limits.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
No, Gideon Wolverine wouldn't, because he's faster, more agile, and a better fighter.

He'd overload Logan long before the that happens to him.

Gideon could stalemate a team of Spider-Man, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Human Torch, Cyclops, and Mr. Fantastic.

For instance.

How, exactly, is that low meta?

Faster more agile yes. But then again he also has a trade off because

A) he can not block anything he can only dodge. Adamntium Wolverine could block every attack Bone-Claw Wolverine could muster and break his defenses. Sp it is a trade off.

And Gideon can only do that after taking their powers into himself.

And the flip side is that Spider-man, Wolverine, Slade could all beat him separate or at least make Gideon work for every victory.

Once again it falls under what powers he has access to.

But just to drill this point home let's look at this as linear prospect.

When drafted Gideon has no other abilities except those he always has including his Power Copying which wasn't banned. Ok in this state he obviously Meta level without outside power influences to draw from.

we then go to prep and he get Amalgamated. Ok so now he is getting extra power from other characters he was combined with once again nothing wrong nothing beaking the rules.

Ok last bit of prep/in match. He Power copies other characters which as established by Synch means as long as he is getting it from an outside source other than his own it is Power Meshing and therefore has no limits and is legal.

Ok that is a step by step of Gideon walking through the tourney process. At no point did he break the rules set forth by the tourney.

So once again the only way you are getting Gideon banned is if you prove base-Gideon is over the limits.

Originally posted by Newjak
Classic Banner still has the power inside of him. It is part of him. There is no outside power gain. Your analogies are faulty.

Also Banner turning into Hulk mid Match is not Power Meshing it unleashing the power he already had. Gideon's power is to get other powers. Without outside help he gets no extra power from that. Once again bad Analogy.

And Classic Bruce Banner requires other people to activate that power. So still, not an inaccurate analogy.

Originally posted by Newjak
Gideon=Gideon over the limits is what you have to prove because we are taking him without any added powers. There what is Gideon without outside help but Low-Meta.

Gideon = His opponent + Insane Durability and HF.

This is a Spider-Man level tournament. Spider-Man with Wolvie-level durability and HF isn't within the limits.

Hell, I STILL haven't heard of a low meta character that can take Gideon. Which, to me, implies he isn't Low Meta.

Originally posted by Newjak
It has nothing to do about him not using his power but without other powers, which he doesn't have, because only low-meta power is floating around here.

It's incredibly dumb to say that just because he hasn't met anyone yet, that he isn't over the top.

Just because nobody has angered Bruce yet, doesn't mean he's over the limits yet, correct?

Originally posted by Newjak
Unlike Banner or Invisible girl you have low-herald level power at all times even if Banner is in human form his power is still inside him. And that power is Herald Level.

Which, apparently, is power meshing... hmm

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again Gideon doesn't have access to powers over the limit in this match and can only go past the limit by stacking multiple powers together which is power meshing.

He just stacks:

i) His ability to have every power in the vacinity
ii) His awesome healing factor

To be over the limits. 🙂

He's just using the powers that are already inside him... ZOMG, bruce baner, much, lolzorz ?!?

Originally posted by Newjak
Because he needs outside power sources to get there.

Banner doesn't he always has that.

And, unless we're assuming that Gideon's never fighting, he'll always have an outside power source. Just as he always has one in comics...

Nobody's hit Sebastian Shaw yet. Therefore, releasing kinetic energy isn't a power... yet. vin

Originally posted by Newjak
Also if you could prove that Base Amazo without the Powers of the JLA is low-meta than yes you could pick him. the problem is that amazo's base level without powers isn't know. gideon's is and it is low-meta.

Once agai nhe is legal in every aspect that has been discussed i nthis tourney. From Power Meshing to limits.

So long as they haven't yet?

Gideon's base is whatever his opponents is, in addition to some insane durability and healing abilities. 🙂

Once again, Classic Bruce Banner and Base Amazo are legal picks. stoned

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
And Gideon has the power inside of him that would allow him access to ANY power in his vicinity... unless we're assuming that Gideon ISN'T in a fight, then the analogy serves its purpose.

And Classic Bruce Banner requires other people to activate that power. So still, not an inaccurate analogy.

Incorrect.

Gideon = His opponent + Insane Durability and HF.

This is a Spider-Man level tournament. Spider-Man with Wolvie-level durability and HF isn't within the limits.

Hell, I STILL haven't heard of a low meta character that can take Gideon. Which, to me, implies he isn't Low Meta.

He has the power to use other powers... that still HAS to be taken in to consideration.

It's incredibly dumb to say that just because he hasn't met anyone yet, that he isn't over the top.

Just because nobody has angered Bruce yet, doesn't mean he's over the limits yet, correct?

But, requires another person to activate.

Which, apparently, is power meshing... hmm

No.

He just stacks:

i) His ability to have every power in the vacinity
ii) His awesome healing factor

To be over the limits. 🙂

He's just using the powers that are already inside him... ZOMG, bruce baner, much, lolzorz ?!?

Banner still needs that though.

And, unless we're assuming that Gideon's never fighting, he'll always have an outside power source. Just as he always has one in comics...

Nobody's hit Sebastian Shaw yet. Therefore, releasing kinetic energy isn't a power... yet. vin

So, you'd allow a character that can copy any tech, powers, skills, magic items, etc.

So long as they haven't yet?

Gideon's base is whatever his opponents is, in addition to some insane durability and healing abilities. 🙂

Once again, Classic Bruce Banner and Base Amazo are legal picks. stoned

Does Bruce Banner even Classic Bruce Banner always carry herald level power with?

Does Gideon always carry Herald level power inside of him?

I'll save you time first answer is yes second one is no doped

And thanks for bringing in Sebastien Shaw for me 😱

Because I would like to point Sebastien Shaw fighting Colossus would be over the limits. Sebastien Shaw not fighting anyone isn't. Glad we can finally agree.

stoned

Either way, this all boils down to Venom, and Black Knight should be kicked out... way too high.

you just proved why Shaw needs to be banned, and you're being facetious, newjak. Gideon is a team-buster. Almost no one in the low meta tier can beat him in a fight. Thus, HE IS NOT LOW META.

Has Trick read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" yet? Because I think he just got eaten.

Oh SNAP!

😮

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
you just proved why Shaw needs to be banned, and you're being facetious, newjak. Gideon is a team-buster. Almost no one in the low meta tier can beat him in a fight. Thus, HE IS NOT LOW META.

And Midnighter has fought stronger people than Gideon has.

Anyone who can copy the powers of the entire other team and employ every single intelligent strategy we come up with against us should be banned.

Synch is ok because he has definite limits which would apply in this battle, while gideon does not.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
you just proved why Shaw needs to be banned, and you're being facetious, newjak. Gideon is a team-buster. Almost no one in the low meta tier can beat him in a fight. Thus, HE IS NOT LOW META.

One of your guys has staggered high level cosmics (among other things) without cis or pis, and the other guy beats the cap pretty consistently. Venom knocking around Juggernaut? Venom being unaffected by Wolverine's attacks?

That's why I find it pretty funny why you whine about every other character, and pay no mind to your own characters.
Right now, it's becoming extremely annoying, no matter who you try to get banned.

Originally posted by Akuki
Anyone who can copy the powers of the entire other team and employ every single intelligent strategy we come up with against us should be banned.

Synch is ok because he has definite limits which would apply in this battle, while gideon does not.

Anyways Power Copying isn't illegal so once again as long as Gideon is under the caps at base there is no reason to ban him.

And before someone says oh we could stalemate Superman, once again Synch could fight and stalemate any other mutant like Magneto.