Originally posted by DigiMark007You mean that no one listened to the boy before, and now when the boy has an actual problem, no one listens to him?
Has Trick read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" yet? Because I think he just got eaten.Oh SNAP!
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Signifying that Gideon is a real problem, and no one is listening to Trick about him?
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Originally posted by Newjak
Not really. Gideon can take multiple powers so can Synch. The only real limits Synch has over Gideon is that Synch can only take Mutant powers right.Anyways Power Copying isn't illegal so once again as long as Gideon is under the caps at base there is no reason to ban him.
And before someone says oh we could stalemate Superman, once again Synch could fight and stalemate any other mutant like Magneto.
The thing is Gideon can copy everyone else in the tournament, except for maybe 2 or 3 people, and he doesn't have the range issue that Synch does. Due to the restrictions on powers there is hardly anyone with magically induced powers.
Originally posted by Creshosk
[b]*~-._Objections_.-~*Black Knight: Akuki, Blair, Bransolute, Citizen V, Fox, King Kandy, Nvr
Reason: He can absorb any energy or physical attack. This includes even beings like the Uni-Mind.Deathlok: Akuki, Blair, Citizen V, DarkCrawler, Fox, King Kandy, Trickster
Reasons: Partial Class 100 strength (Class 85 when he is not amping for a moment), reaction speeds roughly equal to Spider-Man, durability far beyond Spider-Man, healing factor, and all his tech gadgets.Dupli-Kate: Citizen V, Digi, Fox, King Kandy, Leonidas, Trickster
Reason: MultiplierGideon: Akuki, Blair, Bran, Charlotte Debel, Red, King Kandy, Nvr(not sure his posts weren't all that clear), Smurph, Trickster
Reason: External copier who can copy any six superpowered beings without them being present, can also copy abilities and powers of mechanical beingsJotaro:Akuki, Blair, Bransolute, Citizen V, Digimark 007, King Kandy, Leonidas, Newjak, nvrbeenwthagirl, Smurph
Reason: Stand cannot be damaged in any way, unless via the human itself.Kira: Bran, Smurph, Trickster
Reason: Suspected organic matter manipMulti-Paul: Citizen V, Digi, Fox
Reason: MultiplierMultiple Man Citizen V, Digi, Fox, King Kandy, Leonidas, Trickster
Reason: MultplierSebastion Shaw: Nvr, Trickster
Reason: Can absorb all kinetic energySeras Victoria: Blair, Red
Reason: Vampire with Alucard's powers, tactile telekinisis, can outrun bullets (not dodge...outrun)Shenobi Shaw: Akuki, Bransolute, King Kandy, Leonidas, Red, Smurf, Citizen V, Fox
Reason: Density Control (intangibility and hard form)Spot: Trickster
Reason: CIS taken away he is too powerfulSynch: Fox, Red, Trickster
Reason: Power CopierVenom: Akuki, Blair, Bran, Citizen V, Digi, Fox, King Kandy, Smurph
Reason: Beats spiderman on-panel like a red headed step child. [/B]
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
I was pointing out that like the boy, we had mostly stopped listening to Trick because he's complained about literally everyone.
There has to be a better parable, then?
Because, just as Bran pointed out, people stopped listening to the 'Boy' right around the time he was actually telling the truth.
Originally posted by Soljer
There has to be a better parable, then?Because, just as Bran pointed out, people stopped listening to the 'Boy' right around the time he was actually telling the truth.
Right right. Thus my idiocy and the 😮 smilie.
Parable rescinded.
And I've voted against everyone I've seen a convincing argument against. There mightbe 1-2 more, but I've done my part to try to be fair with my voting.
...anyway.
New parable:
This is just like that one scene from Bukkake Avengers 7 where Nurse Janet is waxing her....
Originally posted by NewjakLogan's Fighting Skills > Logan's Fighting Skills + Gideon's Skills and Tactics?
Better fighter than Logan I think not.
Originally posted by NewjakIf Addy Wolves blocks every attack, it'll wear out his HF... and, with two insane HF's, he doesn't need to dodge. Just not stand there so Addy Wolves doesn't his anything vital.
Faster more agile yes. But then again he also has a trade off becauseA) he can not block anything he can only dodge. Adamntium Wolverine could block every attack Bone-Claw Wolverine could muster and break his defenses. Sp it is a trade off.
It wouldn't even be a contest.
Originally posted by Newjak
And Gideon can only do that after taking their powers into himself.And the flip side is that Spider-man, Wolverine, Slade could all beat him separate or at least make Gideon work for every victory.
Which... is his power, correct?
They could all make Thing work for every victory. Even beat him.
Does that mean that Thing should be allowed in this tournament?
Originally posted by NewjakDarwin's power to adapt wasn't banned. In fact, it was cleared, with a warning.
Once again it falls under what powers he has access to.But just to drill this point home let's look at this as linear prospect.
When drafted Gideon has no other abilities except those he always has including his Power Copying which wasn't banned. Ok in this state he obviously Meta level without outside power influences to draw from.
we then go to prep and he get Amalgamated. Ok so now he is getting extra power from other characters he was combined with once again nothing wrong nothing beaking the rules.
Ok last bit of prep/in match. He Power copies other characters which as established by Synch means as long as he is getting it from an outside source other than his own it is Power Meshing and therefore has no limits and is legal.
Ok that is a step by step of Gideon walking through the tourney process. At no point did he break the rules set forth by the tourney.
So once again the only way you are getting Gideon banned is if you prove base-Gideon is over the limits.
Then, when everyone raised a bitchfest, it was banned. So whether "power copying" (an extremely broad topic/power) was banned or OK'd, is irrelevant.
The ONLY relevant topic is the question about whether Gideon's drastically high level of power copying, in combination with his insane healing factor/durability, is over the top or not. Which would be what your "linear process" relies on.
So, if the vote is that Gideon is > limits, after taking his sheer level of power copying and HF/durability into account, then the whole quote above is moot.
Actually Ill while you're here I would like your ruling on the power copying question. What exactly makes a power copier above the limits and what are they allowed to copy. Are they permitted to copy the entire other team if they have the power to do so, and would they copy the individual powers of members or the amalgams they form.
External's Healing Factor / Durability:
We are pouring it on. How much more punishment can he take?
Who or what could weaken them so that we could hold our own agin' them?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/externalHF.jpg
Now, if someone who could take this (and more), had the power to have any powers and skills of ANY Superhuman or humanoid machinery in his vicinity?
Low meta? I think not...
Question about Black Knight.
ill informed me that his horse is an independent construct, which is cool and all. But does BK literally summon the horse when he wants, or is it always there?
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
External (Gideon) Healing Factor / Durability:We are [b]pouring
it on. How much more punishment can he take?Who or what could weaken them so that we could hold our own agin' them?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/externalHF.jpg
Now, if someone who could take this (and more), had the power to have any powers and skills of ANY Superhuman or humanoid machinery in his vicinity?
Low meta? I think not... [/B]
Any power copier could do similar....that scan was in the presence of >> low metas, so it's not exactly a fair scan for our purposes.
Originally posted by DigiMark007He says the word, and the horse comes from another dimension whenever he wants.
Question about Black Knight.ill informed me that his horse is an independent construct, which is cool and all. But does BK literally summon the horse when he wants, or is it always there?
Originally posted by NewjakGideon carries the power to be better than his opponent, if he is given a vital few seconds.
Ok let me simply put it to you this way.Does Bruce Banner even Classic Bruce Banner always carry herald level power with?
Does Gideon always carry Herald level power inside of him?
I'll save you time first answer is yes second one is no doped
And, that has nothing to do with the original analogy.
"I don't like eating apples because they're a fruit"
"But you like eating bananas, and they're fruit"
"Yeah... but bananas are funnier looking!"
Irrelevant and avoiding the point.
Originally posted by NewjakIf Sebastian starts fighting Spidey, he is not automatically stronger. He will EVENTUALLY be, but in the mean time can be BFR'd, or taken out through more versatile attacks.
And thanks for bringing in Sebastien Shaw for me 😱Because I would like to point Sebastien Shaw fighting Colossus would be over the limits. Sebastien Shaw not fighting anyone isn't. Glad we can finally agree.
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Gideon is AUTOMATICALLY BETTER than whoever he's facing... that is his power.
Originally posted by Akuki
Actually Ill while you're here I would like your ruling on the power copying question. What exactly makes a power copier above the limits and what are they allowed to copy. Are they permitted to copy the entire other team if they have the power to do so, and would they copy the individual powers of members or the amalgams they form.
Power copiers can copy individual characters, not amalgams (since the amalgams aren't actual characters). So, if you go into battle amalgamated, they wouldn't be able to copy you.
