Nihilus vs. ROTS Sidious, TK battle.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Did i say that? Learn to read you fu*king idiot. I said for someone to cloak something that big it shows incredible power. Now obviously luke and sidious are considered "force gods" hence they could do that. And luke, being far superior to sidious could cloak a planet for 100 years means so what? Nothing at all indicates that sidious could have done what luke has done seeing luke surpasses sidious by miles in raw power alone.

I means that if they according to you are force gods then it is a possibility to cloak the SSD with the force, and 100 years wouldn't be required. Actually it does didn't you yourself state that he had archieved Jedi Holocrons and since it is a jedi technique...

Still it would take at the very least, tens and thousands of people to pilot the ship, it would not take mere a "few" as you tried to put it out.
And its word for word in wookiepedia. Again how is palpatine going to "execute" tens and thousands of engineers who piloted the ship without going it getting reported? How is he going to execute the thousands in total secrecy? Again the mind raping issue is brought in. Why would he kill thousands of imperial troops when he can easily mind trick all of them and not waste the lives of imperial personal when he can use them in future?[/B]

Because a Mind rape in Star wars isn't complete, certain experiences can bring the experiences back to live. Els I don't think numorous sources would mention the executing part...

Again the inhabitants of coruscant would have still seen the ship, it could not be cloaked forever and even if it was, how does it evade radar? How does it completely evade the trillions of people in coruscant? Some one is sure to have seen it considering the immense population[/B]

Seen a ship that is cloaked with the Force like Luke did to a planet... and someone is very different from millions of people, Evades radar, who controls the radar... Oh thats right the empire.

No ship that size in the 25 thousand years of star wars inuniverse history has it ever been shown that a 19 000 ship can be cloaked with a cloaking generator, neither has any sources stated the SSD clases can be cloaked. Seeing that the lesser smaller star destoryers has never been shown to cloak, I don't see why the bigger ones like the lusankya and executor can[/B]

It was a suggestion, and you are incorrect in the Thrawn Trilogy where Mara and Luke destroyed Thrawns clone, three star destroyers was hiding at near by astroids with cloaking fields. So you assesment isn't true.

Wow so he executed the thousands who piloted the ship and the inhabitants of coruscant, i guess its no wonder why advent called you one of the most idiotic posters in KMC[/B]

Again you totally misunderstood my post, I merely stated that I found it most likely that he executed those who knew of the work that was preformed by

Well maybe I am and so what??? are it illegal to make a mistake???

Advice: Shut the hell up [/B]

My last post to you GahLakTus.

Last thing you asked about how he could kill all the people without the families getting suspecious, The fair easiest way would be to say they where killed in action.

I'm confused as to the point you're attempting to make, Utrigita. TEGC makes it explicitly clear that Palpatine used his mind fogging powers to command Coruscant to forget the burying of the Lusyanka. There is nothing but supposition from Wedge Antilles that Palpatine executed personnel. Canon sources > supposition.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm confused as to the point you're attempting to make, Utrigita. TEGC makes it explicitly clear that Palpatine used his mind fogging powers to command Coruscant to forget the burying of the Lusyanka. There is nothing but supposition from Wedge Antilles that Palpatine executed personnel. Canon sources > supposition.

Okaay thanks Gideon I was under the impression that GahLakTus was making a assesment on what happend, without having on concrete to use...

Sorry GahLakTus I misunderstood you... 😮

And luke, being far superior to sidious could cloak a planet for 100 years means so what? Nothing at all indicates that sidious could have done what luke has done seeing luke surpasses sidious by miles in raw power alone.

I've been meaning to address this issue for some time and I'm rather glad you've brought it up. The notion that Luke Skywalker (and to a lesser extent, Darth Sidious) is somehow miles and miles ahead of everyone is a delusion that we have all (myself included) seemed to indulge at times. Sadly, this notion is not supported by canon fact and events. Furthermore, it is an extreme and gross exaggeration to pretend otherwise.

We have had circumstances in which Luke Skywalker has been disarmed and hard-pressed to defeat certain opponents -- Lumiya, for example -- who are not supergods themselves. Lumiya is mostly a cyborg, with her only true power coming from her relatively impressive knowledge of the Force, her "Force phantoms", things that are highly taxing and ritualistic in nature. Is she a skilled duelist? Certainly, though roughly in the same regard that General Grievous was: her robotic implants give her a certain inhuman stamina and reflexes. The point is that she is not "upper tier" when it comes to characters from the mythos. Skywalker is fallible as a duelist and as a character in general. For all of his unrivaled power and potential, Lumiya put him to the test because she fought smarter than him and used the circumstances to compensate for a disadvantage. However, if Skywalker were truly a "god", it wouldn't have mattered. So the notion that he could take on the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Revan, and Bane all at the same time is simply stupid and without merit at all.

Likewise, the same applies for DE Sidious. In a "pure lightsaber contest", no, I don't fancy him blitzing through upper tier Jedi or Sith. Beating most of them in single confrontations? Yes, much like Luke. But owning them all? No.

And the notion that Luke's raw power is a substitute for years of training and expertise is ridiculous. While I have no problem conceding the fact that Luke is more powerful than Yoda, do you really think he compares -- even remotely -- to the Jedi Master in terms of knowledge or finesse or expertise? No. I'd probably even speculate that Luke might be a novice when it comes to the traditional forms because of how poor his knowledge base was. In a single confrontation, yes, he'd best Yoda. Though when we really stop to put it in perspective, it could be a hard duel.

Even DE Sidious vs. Yoda. In a single confrontation? I'm sure Sidious would win. But it wouldn't be ownage.

Likewise, I don't see any true example of Luke being "far superior" to DE Sidious. Lest we forget folks, Skywalker's most devastating moments still pale in comparison to Sidious's Force Storms which are, according to the narration, but a fraction of Sidious's power.

Luke'd probably best Sidious in a duel and an all out fight and both of them are more powerful than any other SW character. But really, there are combinations of foes who could do them in and who could overwhelm them.

Originally posted by Gideon
I've been meaning to address this issue for some time and I'm rather glad you've brought it up. The notion that Luke Skywalker (and to a lesser extent, Darth Sidious) is somehow miles and miles ahead of everyone is a delusion that we have all (myself included) seemed to indulge at times. Sadly, this notion is not supported by canon fact and events. Furthermore, it is an extreme and gross exaggeration to pretend otherwise.

We have had circumstances in which Luke Skywalker has been disarmed and hard-pressed to defeat certain opponents -- Lumiya, for example -- who are not supergods themselves. Lumiya is mostly a cyborg, with her only true power coming from her relatively impressive knowledge of the Force, her "Force phantoms", things that are highly taxing and ritualistic in nature. Is she a skilled duelist? Certainly, though roughly in the same regard that General Grievous was: her robotic implants give her a certain inhuman stamina and reflexes. The point is that she is not "upper tier" when it comes to characters from the mythos. Skywalker is fallible as a duelist and as a character in general. For all of his unrivaled power and potential, Lumiya put him to the test because she fought smarter than him and used the circumstances to compensate for a disadvantage. However, if Skywalker were truly a "god", it wouldn't have mattered. So the notion that he could take on the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Revan, and Bane all at the same time is simply stupid and without merit at all.

Likewise, the same applies for DE Sidious. In a "pure lightsaber contest", no, I don't fancy him blitzing through upper tier Jedi or Sith. Beating most of them in single confrontations? Yes, much like Luke. But owning them all? No.

And the notion that Luke's raw power is a substitute for years of training and expertise is ridiculous. While I have no problem conceding the fact that Luke is more powerful than Yoda, do you really think he compares -- even remotely -- to the Jedi Master in terms of knowledge or finesse or expertise? No. I'd probably even speculate that Luke might be a novice when it comes to the traditional forms because of how poor his knowledge base was. In a single confrontation, yes, he'd best Yoda. Though when we really stop to put it in perspective, it could be a hard duel.

Even DE Sidious vs. Yoda. In a single confrontation? I'm sure Sidious would win. But it wouldn't be ownage.

Likewise, I don't see any true example of Luke being "far superior" to DE Sidious. Lest we forget folks, Skywalker's most devastating moments still pale in comparison to Sidious's Force Storms which are, according to the narration, but a fraction of Sidious's power.

Luke'd probably best Sidious in a duel and an all out fight and both of them are more powerful than any other SW character. But really, there are combinations of foes who could do them in and who could overwhelm them.

It is true that Luke and Sidious are pure monsters in combat but people tend to forget that even these two are not infallible.

Another tough test for Luke is Caedus. In in case of raw power, Luke is clearly superior to Caedus but still Caedus put up a good fight against him and managed to injure him badly in a single duel.

A similar situation was in the duel between Mara and Caedus.

Anyways! It is good to see return of common sense in this forum.

Now making tall claims like Sidious would WTFpwn Nihilus in a pure Force combat is a very far-fetched assumption. Nihilus was a Force titan as well and have performed several impressive Force moves that very few Sith Lords could match. Now in a single combat, Sidious would indeed defeat him but the fight won't be so easy and it could possibly be a hard match.

I must admit ... This is an excellent assessment about Luke and Sidious and without any signs of fanboyism in it. My view-point about these two characters is also similar.

I'll be honest, LeGenD, you are one of the most biased forum-goers I've ever encountered. Your perspective is only "similar" to mine in that you've tried to distort fact and circumstances to benefit characters that you prefer, ie: Revan and KotOR-affiliated individuals. While I think that Thiru and company have, at times, exaggerated the power of Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious, he's right in that there is no single individual who equals or really comes close to them in power. There is a small cluster of individuals who could give them trouble in certain categories and under special circumstances, and there are combinations of foes who could overwhelm them -- but there is no single person who rivals them. Nihilus included.

It is true that Luke and Sidious are pure monsters in combat but people tend to forget that even these two are not infallible.

This is true. But their fallibility stems are purely psychological rather than combat-related. Luke has been injured in combat primarily because his opponent will use cheap tactics in an attempt to compensate for the power disparity. Likewise, when these factors are removed, I'd argue that only the Emperor could rival Luke in any circumstance. Consider what he did to Lumiya after he came under the assumption that she killed Mara Jade; he butchered her effortlessly. Likewise, Emperor Palpatine's fallibility comes from hubris. Every time he has come close to defeat or has been defeated in the SW universe is not because he was at a disadvantage or lacked the power to win, except that he miscalculated.

Another tough test for Luke is Caedus. In in case of raw power, Luke is clearly superior to Caedus but still Caedus put up a good fight against him and managed to injure him badly in a single duel.

An example of Luke's psychological fallibility rather than combat prowess. He went in, guns o' blazing, and still kicked ass. Jacen only managed to injure Luke because he's a clever fighter rather than any true combat merits.

A similar situation was in the duel between Mara and Caedus.

Somewhat. The confrontation between Mara Jade and Darth Caedus wasn't so much a "duel" as it was a brawl. The omniscient narrator makes it explicitly clear that Mara's Force powers were "crude" compared to Jacen's and it seems apparent from on panel evidence that she couldn't have hoped to beat him in a pure lightsaber match. However, Jacen's training was primarily Jedi-based at the time. Most of Lumiya's and Vergere's lessons were purely psychological and philosophical, whereas Mara Jade and Lumiya themselves were trained on Sith-based combat principles by Emperor Palpatine. They were trained to utilize environments, peoples, exploit weaknesses. If they can't win a "duel", then they don't "duel" at all. They manipulate the circumstances of the situation to benefit them. It's a no-brainer that she outwitted him and outthought him, even though Jacen's a truly brilliant individual. Being a genius or even a skilled tactition doesn't mean that one is a smart fighter. Mara and Lumiya are among the cleverest fighters in the mythos.

Anyways! It is good to see return of common sense in this forum.

Common sense has been here for a while.

Now making tall claims like Sidious would WTFpwn Nihilus in a pure Force combat is a very far-fetched assumption. Nihilus was a Force titan as well and have performed several impressive Force moves that very few Sith Lords could match. Now in a single combat, Sidious would indeed defeat him but the fight won't be so easy and it could possibly be a hard match.

The difference is that nothing has indicated that Nihilus is prodigious or skilled at all outside of his drain and telekinesis, whereas Sidious is pretty much a natural in most areas of the Force, and a knowledge base that exceeds everything Nihilus has at his disposal. Sidious really does outclass him when you look at it from a perspective, and since he can match Nihilus's strengths, it really isn't a close fight. Not really.

Wow, that was an unexpected reply from Gideon! haermm

Originally posted by Gideon
I'll be honest, LeGenD, you are one of the most biased forum-goers I've ever encountered. Your perspective is only "similar" to mine in that you've tried to distort fact and circumstances to benefit characters that you prefer, ie: Revan and KotOR-affiliated individuals. While I think that Thiru and company have, at times, exaggerated the power of Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious, he's right in that there is no single individual who equals or really comes close to them in power. There is a small cluster of individuals who could give them trouble in certain categories and under special circumstances, and there are combinations of foes who could overwhelm them -- but there is no single person who rivals them. Nihilus included.

I have never said that any person rivals Sidious or Luke in terms of power. If you think that I have assumed such a thing, than you are wrong.

And if I am biased in case of KOTOR characters, than my level of biasedness is also within limits because I do acknowledge the fundamentals of SW mythos that have been clearly defined by canon soures.

Originally posted by Gideon
This is true. But their fallibility stems are purely psychological rather than combat-related. Luke has been injured in combat primarily because his opponent will use cheap tactics in an attempt to compensate for the power disparity. Likewise, when these factors are removed, I'd argue that only the Emperor could rival Luke in any circumstance. Consider what he did to Lumiya after he came under the assumption that she killed Mara Jade; he butchered her effortlessly. Likewise, Emperor Palpatine's fallibility comes from hubris. Every time he has come close to defeat or has been defeated in the SW universe is not because he was at a disadvantage or lacked the power to win, except that he miscalculated.

Lumiya was no match for Luke in pure combat prowess. But under favorable circumstances, she was able to injure Luke too. So the outcome of fights are not just solely determined by power factor. What you are saying also represents my point of view, though your way of explaining is different from mine.

Originally posted by Gideon
An example of Luke's psychological fallibility rather than combat prowess. He went in, guns o' blazing, and still kicked ass. Jacen only managed to injure Luke because he's a clever fighter rather than any true combat merits.

Originally posted by Gideon
Somewhat. The confrontation between Mara Jade and Darth Caedus wasn't so much a "duel" as it was a brawl. The omniscient narrator makes it explicitly clear that Mara's Force powers were "crude" compared to Jacen's and it seems apparent from on panel evidence that she couldn't have hoped to beat him in a pure lightsaber match. However, Jacen's training was primarily Jedi-based at the time. Most of Lumiya's and Vergere's lessons were purely psychological and philosophical, whereas Mara Jade and Lumiya themselves were trained on Sith-based combat principles by Emperor Palpatine. They were trained to utilize environments, peoples, exploit weaknesses. If they can't win a "duel", then they don't "duel" at all. They manipulate the circumstances of the situation to benefit them. It's a no-brainer that she outwitted him and outthought him, even though Jacen's a truly brilliant individual. Being a genius or even a skilled tactition doesn't mean that one is a smart fighter. Mara and Lumiya are among the cleverest fighters in the mythos.

As far as Revan is concerned, he was indeed a smart fighter too. No wonder he managed to overcome several hard challenges during his stay at Taris without the use of the Force, which even amazed Bastilla.

Originally posted by Gideon
Common sense has been here for a while.

Originally posted by Gideon
The difference is that nothing has indicated that Nihilus is prodigious or skilled at all outside of his drain and telekinesis, whereas Sidious is pretty much a natural in most areas of the Force, and a knowledge base that exceeds everything Nihilus has at his disposal. Sidious really does outclass him when you look at it from a perspective, and since he can match Nihilus's strengths, it really isn't a close fight. Not really.

All we know about Nihilus' saber style is that he uses one hand, so he is a possible Makashi duelist.

Also, Nihilus is powerful with the Force, his TK feat and his Kataar killing feat prove that.

EDIT.

Seeing that gideon posted concrete evidence of the lusankya, ill concede

Originally posted by Gideon

We have had circumstances in which Luke Skywalker has been disarmed and hard-pressed to defeat certain opponents -- Lumiya, for example -- who are not supergods themselves. Lumiya is mostly a cyborg, with her only true power coming from her relatively impressive knowledge of the Force, her "Force phantoms", things that are highly taxing and ritualistic in nature. Is she a skilled duelist? Certainly, though roughly in the same regard that General Grievous was: her robotic implants give her a certain inhuman stamina and reflexes. The point is that she is not "upper tier" when it comes to characters from the mythos. Skywalker is fallible as a duelist and as a character in general. For all of his unrivaled power and potential, Lumiya put him to the test because she fought smarter than him and used the circumstances to compensate for a disadvantage. However, if Skywalker were truly a "god", it wouldn't have mattered. So the notion that he could take on the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Revan, and Bane all at the same time is simply stupid and without merit at all.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No one is arguing about Sidious being better then Nihilus. He is called the the most powerful Sith Lord for a reason. Though I would not say the this fight would be easy for Sidious. You need to keep in mind that Nihilus was no push-over in combat for any person in his time. It took 3 powerful warriors to bring him down and during that duel, he was weakened twice before being defeated. Though I understand that we need to know some more about his skill with a Light Saber.

Sidious can walk up to nihilus undetectable through the force and sight and easily slaughter him with a lightsaber.

So all i see that nihilus has against people who learned the fallanasi technique is pure TK.

EDIT

Originally posted by GahLakTus
You know, if sidious hides his force sensitivity and masks his force bond, nihilus wouldn't be able to touch nor break it and thats when his technique would become useless.

He actually used Force Sever ability on Darth Traya to prevent her from using the Force during combat.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
As for telekenesis sidious would outmatch him there given the various sources which stated his superiority.

Let us be realistic and should look at all aspects of things and not just put too much faith on few statements.

Being most powerful does not means that Sidious out-classes every other living being in everything. He was not immortal.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Sidious can walk up to nihilus undetectable through the force and sight and easily slaughter him with a lightsaber.

We have seen Sidious fight on various occassions and he always fights openly and aggressively.

Though he would surely defeat Nihilus in a pure Light Saber duel.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
So all i see that nihilus has against people who learned the fallanasi technique is pure TK.

Nihilus wins quite easily. His lifting of a fleet, including the insanely huge Ravager, is only outmatched by displays of TK from Luke Skywalker, Kyp Durron, and possibly Darth Bane. Nothing Sidious or the other PT Force Users have done with TK even comes close, and Nihilus generally outclasses that era with the force based on showings and statements.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus knows other forms of Drain Life techniques as well. He will use those techniques in combat, if his main technique will not work.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

He actually used Force Sever ability on Darth Traya to prevent her from using the Force during combat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

We don't know for sure. It is safe to conclude that Darth Sidious can defeat him in an all out fight but in a pure TK contest, this fight would be very hard for even Sidious.

Let us be realistic and should look at all aspects of things and not just put too much faith on few statements.

Being most powerful does not means that Sidious out-classes every other living being in everything. He was not immortal.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

If Sidious could do this so easily, than why does he not use these abilities during his duels with maximum impact?

We have seen Sidious fight on various occassions and he always fights openly and aggressively.

And as for the duel in DE, it was his personal preference for just engaging him in a pure saber duel, as it was vader's as it was nihilus in K2 when he could have used TK to pwn the exile.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Though it would not effect sidious as greatly as you want it to be seeing he is stated to be far superior to nihilus

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And sidious can do the same to nihilus, only that he can do the same exact thing nihilus does, destroy the force bond completely killing him instantly

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Sorry but sidious out classes him in every aspect of the force hence he us labeled the most powerful sith lord in history .

I told you before that Sidious does not out-classes every other Sith Lord in every thing. Sidious from "over all" perspective is the most powerful Sith Lord.

Show me one example of Sidious lifting up a huge ship with the Force like Nihilus did.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Did sidious know the fallanasi technique and many others during his duel in ROTS? No.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Was it necessary for him to use it against the 100 storm troopers and the 3 sith acolytes? No.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And as for the duel in DE, it was his personal preference for just engaging him in a pure saber duel, as it was vader's as it was nihilus in K2 when he could have used TK to pwn the exile.

And Nihilus preferred to use his main power first on Exile. And when that did not work, he had no choice but to rely on other means to fight Exile.

But that was a 3 vs 1 situation and Nihilus was already weakened. So you can't declare that Nihilus is a push-over for any person in combat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Of-course other techniques will not effect Sidious as much as his main technique. But his Force Sever ability is still highly effective in combat situations.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No kind of Draining technique can work on Nihilus because he is also a "Wound in the Force."

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I told you before that Sidious does not out-classes every other Sith Lord in every thing. Sidious from "over all" perspective is the most powerful Sith Lord.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Show me one example of Sidious lifting up
a huge ship with the Force like Nihilus did.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

If this fallanasi technique is so effective in combat situations, then why don't you show me an example of Luke using it in duels against powerful enemies?

FYI, he did not go all out with caedus either. And why would he need to use the fallanasi technique if his opponent cannot touch his force bond and break it?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Different Sith Lords will use different techniques against enemies in combat. It is a matter of psychology. Sidious is adept at Force Lightning and uses it lot more then many other techniques that he knows during duels.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So if he prefers to use conventional means to fight his enemies, I am afraid that Nihilus will give him a hard challenge. Since Nihilus will try to use his Force techniques first on him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Nihilus preferred to use his main power first on Exile. And when that did not work, he had no choice but to rely on other means to fight Exile.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

But that was a 3 vs 1 situation and Nihilus was already weakened. So you can't declare that Nihilus is a push-over for any person in combat.

And to add to what i posted, what else has nihilus demonstrated which is remarkable other than his force breaking ability and his TK? Sidious greatly surpassed him there simply because nothing indicates that nihilus is skilled in other areas of the force.

You can't take two feats of nihilus and dispute that the other areas of the force are the same caliber/level , thats like taking bastila's battle meditation and using it to dispute her force lightning "super-dangerous" or the fact that it means she is a power house despite the fact that malak easily subdued her when she attacked him.

And seeing that sidious is superior to nihilus, i don't see why he can't cancel out nihilus TK attacks seeing that vader did it to forte and kulka in RODV when they tried to use TK to influence the course of his lightsaber and grab it from him

All i see really legend is pure telekenesis that nihilus is going to use in this fight seeing that sidious would mask his force bond which will render nihilus force bond breaking ability useless, and the fact that once sidious does that, he can't be sensed through the force and with the fact that he could render himself invicible physically

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And sidious too has force sever, tell me. How is nihilus going to cut off an opponent superior to him in the force? For a mere force sever technique to be done on somebody like the exile, it took 3 jedi masters inferior to her power to even attempt to do so

And ROTS Sidious is not very good at defending against powerful attacks. A simple Force Push from Yoda send him flying accross the room, as an example. And "Force Sever" technique is far more lethal or dangerous.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
His "wound in the force" status wouldn't save him from palpatines instant kill lightning or other ancient sith techniques

And Nihilus also knows some good offensive techniques.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
It does mean however he greatly surpasses nihilus in just about every aspect of the force. Power, knowlesge, techniques, strength.

Sidious is surely better then Nihilus but to what extent, we can't say for sure. Because whatever Nihilus does, he is also really good at it.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Just because he doesn't show he did it doesn't mean he can't.

Since this thread is about ROTS incarnation of Sidious, I doubt that he has demonstrated this level of power by that time.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Again even the loading screen never said how nihilus lifted the ship from the gravity well, we are all assuming he used the force. Oh right yoda lifted a mountain bigger than the ravager with little effort, and DE sidious is far superior to yoda

And Yoda did that feat in Star Wars Cartoon, in which the powers of the Jedi are massively exaggerated. In the G-canon AOTC, Yoda was having a hard time in preventing a crane to fall on the two ill-fated Jedi.

So it seems to be that there is some sort of conflict about the power level of Yoda among the canon sources.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Did you know it was not necessary for luke to use this technique? Seeing he could easily kill any opponent he wanted to? If you want to bring up the point "Oh but he didnt use it against lumiya", its simply because he did not go all out and he has hinted that at any moment he could have easily and effortlessly kill her and caedus whom is superior to lumiya.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
FYI, he did not go all out with caedus either. And why would he need to use the fallanasi technique if his opponent cannot touch his force bond and break it?

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And his lightning by dark empire is enough to annihilate 100 storm troopers, reduce 3 force users to dust and the fact that by merely lowering the intensity, he could knock luke skywalker to his knees as well as the fact reconnect himself to the force

Originally posted by GahLakTus
I'm afraid that nihilus wouldnt be able to even give sidious a tough time, seeing he gets outclassed in every aspect of the force

But in case of ROTS Sidious, I can't say for sure that whether he can win easily. And in a pure TK contest, Nihilus can defeat him.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
that he is fighting an opponent whom has unlimited power that he is fighting an opponent that can hide his force bond and become invisible being able to walk up to nihilus undetected by any means and proceed to annihilate him.

And sneaking behind an opponent is not Sidious' way of fighting his enemies. Though if he can mask his connection with the Force, he might pull of that move, considering that Nihilus is not looking in his direction.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
What other force powers? Sadly his main power wouldn't even harm sidious seeing that his bond would be hidden as if sidious is not connected to the force

Sidious cannot fully disconnect himself from the Force. You are confusing Force Cloak ability with complete disconnection from the Force.

If the waves of Nihilus' main attack touches him, he will be doomed.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And how tough was the battle? Sorry but he is fighting 3 opponents far weaker than he is, in this scenario, he is fighting some one far more powerful than he is

1) Jedi Exile:

Jedi Exile is actually the main hero of KOTOR II and she must be damn good because even the 3 powerful Sith Lords failed to destroy her.

2) Visas Marr:

She was his apprentice and betrayed him. She was aiding Exile in combat and she knew Nihilus very well.

3) The Mandalore:

He was a great fighter as well. After-all he became the Mandalore and was probably targetting Nihilus with long range weapons, which would be an additional head-ache.

So are you trying to say that the combined power of these 3 people would not be very significant? No matter poor Nihilus fell.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And to add to what i posted, what else has nihilus demonstrated which is remarkable other than his force breaking ability and his TK? Sidious greatly surpassed him there simply because nothing indicates that nihilus is skilled in other areas of the force.

Nihilus versus Traya is a good example to consider in this regard.

He effortlessly send Darth Traya (who herself was very powerful and was the mentor of Nihilus and Revan) flying in the air with a flick of his hand. And not only this but he also prevented her from using the Force through his Force Sever ability.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
You can't take two feats of nihilus and dispute that the other areas of the force are the same caliber/level , thats like taking bastila's battle meditation and using it to dispute her force lightning "super-dangerous" or the fact that it means she is a power house despite the fact that malak easily subdued her when she attacked him.

So Nihilus was good at those things that were actually really useful in combat situations. And than much about the Nihilus is shrouded in mystery.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And seeing that sidious is superior to nihilus, i don't see why he can't cancel out nihilus TK attacks seeing that vader did it to forte and kulka in RODV when they tried to use TK to influence the course of his lightsaber and grab it from him

Originally posted by GahLakTus
All i see really legend is pure telekenesis that nihilus is going to use in this fight seeing that sidious would mask his force bond which will render nihilus force bond breaking ability useless, and the fact that once sidious does that, he can't be sensed through the force and with the fact that he could render himself invicible physically