Originally posted by OneDumbG0So schmuck = being an ass in OneDumbGo land? Ok cool but anyways Juggs still wins Hulk can amp all he wants without bfr i don't see Juggs going down to him physically call me insane. 😱
People are asses all the time. Hiding that you're an ass behind a thinly veiled flame like "I guess we'll have to agree some people are blind" is neither clever nor sophisticated. It's being an ass. And being a bad one at that. Next time, drop the posturing and just flame. K? Schmuck.
People using the Spider Man/concrete thing against the Juggernaut is the sign of a weak arguement. It makes perfect sense, It was WET concrete people. The Juggernauts unstoppability enchantment is only activated when he's in motion. In a 60' foot vat of wet concrete how is the Juggernaut ever going to be able to gain momentum? Hence why he needed to wait for the cement to solidify before he could get out.
Thats fair enough.......
Anyways I still say Juggernaut has the advantage with his entire power set like his Force Field.......then Hulk cannot even touch him........he would win.........
Although Hulk could win through battle field removal (B.F.R).....if the force field is not up........
The third outcome is a tie.........
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Because World War Hulk is a better fighter and more likely faster than Juggernaut? I also have an idea of how World War Hulk could beat Juggernaut without BFR if you care for an answer to your question.
So you're telling me that there's nearly no chance that Juggernaut could grab pretty much any part of Hulk and toss him into orbit?
And please, yes. Tell me.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Because World War Hulk is a better fighter and more likely faster than Juggernaut? I also have an idea of how World War Hulk could beat Juggernaut without BFR if you care for an answer to your question.
Actually I would place Juggernaut as a better fighter........a couple of weeks on Skaar did improve Green Scar's fighting skills but Juggernaut was a mercenary and a soldier trained in combat and such.......although he uses brawl like fighting he is still a better fighter than Hulk I believe.......who is faster is debatable but I believe Hulk might be faster.......
Also how would Green Scar defeat Juggernaut without battle field removal (B.F.R.).......just curious about your idea lol.......his enchantment by Cytorrak makes him almost completely invincible to all forms of physical attacks.......how could Hulk put him down without battle field removal (B.F.R.)........
Originally posted by MetalmanxNot exactly. But I would find it more probable that WWH would do it to Juggernaut more than Juggernaut would do it to WWH. BFR was like his favorite thing in World War Hulk. And this is what I think WWH could do to win. Submission. Now, he in no way is going to break Juggernaut's arm or make him pass out from pain, but he can use grappling to get him into a position where he would be completely defenseless and would have no choice but to submit:
So you're telling me that there's nearly no chance that Juggernaut could grab pretty much any part of Hulk and toss him into orbit?And please, yes. Tell me.
I think WWH has proven that he has had least a competent fighting prowess that he would be able to negotiate that type of method and figure out the proper leverage. He showed decent use of momentum in Planet Hulk and displayed his use of leverage when he disabled Emma Frost in World War Hulk. And I think that Juggernaut could certainly do the same, but I think it's more probable that WWH would do it to him more times and better because of his unlimited strength, relatively superior fighting skills and his relatively superior agility.
The reason I thought of this was because there are submission moves that can leave you completely immune to striking and grant your opponent absolutely no leverage to fight back. My younger brother is an MMA enthusiast and everytime we both visit home he shows me some new move he learned. Sound reasonable to you?
EDIT: I believe WWH is a superior fighter. When he's not Savage Hulk, he's pretty smart in battle tactics. And I'm not just talking [i]Planet Hulk or World War Hulk. Back when he was Grey Hulk, he was far weaker and used more fighting skills and tactics. For instance, when he fought Pineapple Thing (who was enormously much stronger then both regular Thing and Grey Hulk, Grey Hulk displayed extremely competent tactics in fighting him when he realized strength wasn't going to cut it.[/i]
Hmm well War World Hulk did seem pretty knowledgeable in basic tactics and such........since he and Banner are basically working towards the same goal I would give War World Hulk the intellect and other categories of that same manner.......when push comes to shove it is even possible Green Scar could receive the same intellect as Banner has..........but in combat/fighting Juggernaut has the edge there.......he is a superior fighter..........but he mostly uses a brawl fighting style as does the Hulk........
Juggernaut with his Force Field would also make it impossible for Hulk to even get a hold of him.......it basically negates motion as well.......
Again I see this as either a stalemate (unless Juggernaut uses his Force Field and such where I give him the advantage and say Juggernaut would take the fight) or Hulk winning through battle field removal (B.F.R.).........
^ It's your opinion that Juggernaut is a superior fighter in terms of technique. But you base your opinion solely on the training he received in Basic. You literally get a week of H2H combat training in Basic. And back during Vietnam, you probably received even less. I know. My younger brother was in the Army and wished they did more H2H training.
And whether WWH can get through Juggy's forcefield and get a hold on Juggernaut's person isn't a viable issue anymore. He did get a hold of Juggernaut in World War Hulk: X-Men. He was crushing his helmet with his bare hands and grappling with him. So, although what you theorize would be a pertinent issue before World War Hulk, right now, it's a dead issue. WWH can get a hold of Juggernaut.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's your opinion that Juggernaut is a superior fighter in terms of technique. But you base your opinion solely on the training he received in Basic. You literally get a week of H2H combat training in Basic. And back during Vietnam, you probably received even less. I know. My younger brother was in the Army and wished they did more H2H training.And whether WWH can get through Juggy's forcefield and get a hold on Juggernaut's person isn't a viable issue anymore. He did get a hold of Juggernaut in World War Hulk: X-Men. He was crushing his helmet with his bare hands and grappling with him. So, although what you theorize would be a pertinent issue before World War Hulk, right now, it's a dead issue. WWH can get a hold of Juggernaut.
What is so hard to understand about Hulk NOT having unlimited stamina and Juggs having it therefore eventually Jugg wins. First, you tried to argue that the Hulk does and failed miserably. Now your gonig with the submission technique for the win? When will it end. The hulk will eventually get tired of holding him in that position and won't be getting hit anymore to make him increase his strength while Juggs if focused can call upon more power to get out. Fact is, that Hulk might get the better of the exchanges at some points and over power juggs and some point but he's not hurting him or koing him and will eventually tire. I'm not sure what is so hard to grasp here.
^ Do you wear Juggernaut underwear and run around screaming, "I'm da Juggernaut, b1tch!" or something? Calm down, fanboy. Juggernaut's unlimited stamina didn't help him against Onslaught slappage or Bishop's using a town's electricity to knock him unconscious. Juggernaut's unlimited stamina is worthless if you're in a submission hold and helpless/incapacitated. Just as the knockout rule gives you the win after 10 seconds, therefore Wolverine's ability to always recover from unconsciousness is no bar to his defeat, the same applies to complete incapacitation through submission. WWH was burned out by Sentry completely and reverted to Banner when he finally managed to knock sense into Sentry. As soon as he got pissed off again, he instantaneously amped to a heretofore unseen level of strength. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp here either, fanboy.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's your opinion that Juggernaut is a superior fighter in terms of technique. But you base your opinion solely on the training he received in Basic. You literally get a week of H2H combat training in Basic. And back during Vietnam, you probably received even less. I know. My younger brother was in the Army and wished they did more H2H training.And whether WWH can get through Juggy's forcefield and get a hold on Juggernaut's person isn't a viable issue anymore. He did get a hold of Juggernaut in World War Hulk: X-Men. He was crushing his helmet with his bare hands and grappling with him. So, although what you theorize would be a pertinent issue before World War Hulk, right now, it's a dead issue. WWH can get a hold of Juggernaut.
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Uh...did it occur to you that perhaps Juggernaut did not have his forcefield up?
^ If you think Juggernaut is such an idiot that he wouldn't have used his forcefield, his most potent defense, that's your cup of tea. If you really think he's that stupid, then show me the last time Juggernaut used his forcefield. Also, show me the last time Juggernaut brought up his forcefield to repel grappling after a physical brawl had started.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Do you wear Juggernaut underwear and run around screaming, "I'm da Juggernaut, b1tch!" or something? Calm down, fanboy. Juggernaut's unlimited stamina didn't help him against Onslaught slappage or Bishop's using a town's electricity to knock him unconscious. Juggernaut's unlimited stamina is worthless if you're in a submission hold and helpless/incapacitated. Just as the knockout rule gives you the win after 10 seconds, therefore Wolverine's ability to always recover from unconsciousness is no bar to his defeat, the same applies to complete incapacitation through submission. WWH was burned out by Sentry completely and reverted to Banner when he finally managed to knock sense into Sentry. As soon as he got pissed off again, he instantaneously amped to a heretofore unseen level of strength. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp here either, fanboy.
HaHa I'm the fan boy…… Good one. You were the one claiming Hulk has unlimited stamina only to realize you put your foot in your mouth and took it back. Your also the one saying WWH didn't stop juggs when the vast majority of people on this forum or otherwise (who aren't even jug fans) say he clearly was. I'm not even a huge juggs fan myself as he's just okay in terms of a top character for me. Then you claim that he obviously broke through juggs for field because he grabbed his head…. Hey genius you don't think that was because he didn't have his force field up and was engaging the hulk in physical combat? Lastly, you claim he's going to hold juggs in some position that he's never held him in before for the win. You missed my point short bus…. If the hulk isn't getting angrier and angrier how is he going to hold him there. In order to increase his strength his anger must also increase which comes from being hit or hearing/seeing stuff that pisses him off. So, being that we can pretty much assume that won't happen we can therefore theorize that juggs can increase his strength enough to get out of it. However, lets say he holds him there for 20 minutes how is that a win because once he lets go juggs will continue the fight as he never gave up or was hurt in anyways. The only way I can see this leading to a victory is if juggs verbally submits (doubtful) or passes out from pain (haha good one). All this and you claim I'm the fan boy haha. Let me guess you have Lou Ferrigno posters all over your wall with jiz stains all over them huh?
