Classic Juggernaut v.s. WWH

Originally posted by Xplosive
And Juggernaut was always a Juggernaut, destructive force that never endangered the Earth as WWH has (and just look at the end what was Hulk doing only with steps).
He was also more times stopped by X-Men, while look what WWH has done to them.

WWH is definitely physically stronger being.

The x-men usually stop juggs but getting off his helmet and using a telepathic attack thats not a option hulk has.Juggs had the upper hand in most of the fight between the two but the hulk has a insane healing factor and durability Jugg's is not gonna be able to put him down for good.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
The x-men usually stop juggs but getting off his helmet and using a telepathic attack thats not a option hulk has.Juggs had the upper hand in most of the fight between the two but the hulk has a insane healing factor and durability Jugg's is not gonna be able to put him down for good.

Had the upper hand. And even before it was known Hulk is the stronger between the two, but it was because of durability that he won.
This is WWH.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Had the upper hand. And even before it was known Hulk is the stronger between the two, but it was because of durability that he won.
This is WWH.

as i said, it looked like juggs was overpowering Hulk in their brief fight, maybe its possible that Cytorrak amped up Juggs strength to be greater than hucs

Originally posted by Kurash
i dunno, when they locked hands as a test of strength hulk was the one gettin pushed backwards, not juggernaut

Yeah but that's part of Juggs magic power set - he simply cannot be stopped once he sets off in a direction. Its more than just physical power its a magic thing. Compare to no-one being able to lift Thor's hammer 'cept thor -does not make Thor stronger. Even Superman cannot lift Thor's hammer without Thor's permission.

Juggs does not have the same level of lifting or destroying feats as Hulk. Hulk is quite clearly top dog in terms of pure strength feats.

Main problem with this fight is Juggs is just about as invulnerable as you can get. Hulk can dish about as much physical punishment as can be meted = stalemate
😕

Originally posted by severance
Yeah but that's part of Juggs magic power set - he simply cannot be stopped once he sets off in a direction. Its more than just physical power its a magic thing. Compare to no-one being able to lift Thor's hammer 'cept thor -does not make Thor stronger. Even Superman cannot lift Thor's hammer without Thor's permission.

Juggs does not have the same level of lifting or destroying feats as Hulk. Hulk is quite clearly top dog in terms of pure strength feats.

Main problem with this fight is Juggs is just about as invulnerable as you can get. Hulk can dish about as much physical punishment as can be meted = stalemate
😕

Classic Juggs did in fact have his forward momentum stopped when he fought War Hulk though, so there is a clear precedence here.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Classic Juggs did in fact have his forward momentum stopped when he fought War Hulk though, so there is a clear precedence here.

did he actually stop him - don't remember. Maybe you got a scan.

My point is just being able to walk in a direction unstoppably means jackshit in a fight. It is not a symptom of how strong jugs is but a magic thing. So it doesn ot show how much damage Jugs can dish out. Lifting and smashing feats do show this and Hulk's are much greater than jugs

band

Like i said before Hulk is not gonna beat juggs using his fist and whatever damage juggs does giving what we have seen of hulks durability and healing in wwh is gonna get healed.Stalemate this is even probably more of a logical stalemate given the powerset's of these two guys than Hulk and Sentry

Originally posted by severance
did he actually stop him - don't remember. Maybe you got a scan.

Yes, he actually stopped him, not only that, but then lift him and threw him far away. As I remember, he could even hurt Juggernaut.
Hulk was always depiceted as being the stronger of the two and WWH is the strongest Hulk version ever.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Stalemate this is even probably more of a logical stalemate given the powerset's of these two guys than Hulk and Sentry

I see Hulk easily removing Juggernaut from the battle, because of superior strength.

BFR win for Hulk - boring!

without BFR probably stalemate

Originally posted by severance
did he actually stop him - don't remember. Maybe you got a scan.

My point is just being able to walk in a direction unstoppably means jackshit in a fight. It is not a symptom of how strong jugs is but a magic thing. So it doesn ot show how much damage Jugs can dish out. Lifting and smashing feats do show this and Hulk's are much greater than jugs

band

Look closely at this scan, and note the green nimbus of energy that surrounds the Hulk:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg

Now in comparison, let's see how much more powerful Hulk got in terms of the cosmic green energy after his fight with Sentry (this is actually more energy being released than his fight with Sentry):
http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=96095_wwh033_122_158lo.jpg
http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=96097_wwh034_122_1122lo.jpg
http://img127.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=96103_wwh035_122_1065lo.jpg

This appears to be the force fueling the Hulk, this cosmic green energy grew to such portions that it literally covered the entire city. Compare that with the amount of green energy shown in the scan where he stopped classic Juggernaut for a comparison of the power levels of what he was at then versus what point he got to in WWH.

From the scans it would appear that the technology of the Celestials allowed Hulk during his time as War to tap into an even deeper energy source than normal, and during WWH was only the second time that I recall him specifically giving off the green glow of cosmic radiation. It was so bright that Reed was shielding his eyes.

Why the **** is it cosmic?

Originally posted by Kurash
i dunno, when they locked hands as a test of strength hulk was the one gettin pushed backwards, not juggernaut

u r right!

Hulk was getting s, s, s, slapped around!
No sign, at all, of hulk being stronger either!

Originally posted by Kutulu
Look closely at this scan, and note the green nimbus of energy that surrounds the Hulk:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg

Now in comparison, let's see how much more powerful Hulk got in terms of the cosmic green energy after his fight with Sentry (this is actually more energy being released than his fight with Sentry):
http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=96095_wwh033_122_158lo.jpg
http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=96097_wwh034_122_1122lo.jpg
http://img127.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=96103_wwh035_122_1065lo.jpg

This appears to be the force fueling the Hulk, this cosmic green energy grew to such portions that it literally covered the entire city. Compare that with the amount of green energy shown in the scan where he stopped classic Juggernaut for a comparison of the power levels of what he was at then versus what point he got to in WWH.

From the scans it would appear that the technology of the Celestials allowed Hulk during his time as War to tap into an even deeper energy source than normal, and during WWH was only the second time that I recall him specifically giving off the green glow of cosmic radiation. It was so bright that Reed was shielding his eyes.

thanks for the war hulk scan long time since i seen it - he does appear to stop jugs

so we're agreed the hulk is physically stronger than juggs

Originally posted by Horrificus
u r right!

Hulk was getting s, s, s, slapped around!
No sign, at all, of hulk being stronger either!

did you read my earlier post. or did you not get it. Juggs unstoppably walking in a straight line does not make him stronger.

bangin

Originally posted by severance
Yeah but that's part of Juggs magic power set - he simply cannot be stopped once he sets off in a direction. Its more than just physical power its a magic thing. Compare to no-one being able to lift Thor's hammer 'cept thor -does not make Thor stronger. Even Superman cannot lift Thor's hammer without Thor's permission.

Juggs does not have the same level of lifting or destroying feats as Hulk. Hulk is quite clearly top dog in terms of pure strength feats.

Main problem with this fight is Juggs is just about as invulnerable as you can get. Hulk can dish about as much physical punishment as can be meted = stalemate
😕

Originally posted by Horrificus
but, even if he keeps healing, he can still be losing the fight.if the fight goes on for a hundred years, with jugs beating on him for that hundred years, and then it gets stopped, juggs is still the winner.
just because hulk would be a living pile of pulp, doesnt make it a tie!

if we are going for a point victory i would imagine hulks superior strength would give him the win. WWH is or should be the better fighter and can dish out heavier blows. Juggs will feel something from them. Remember he winded Juggs before.

Hulk

Originally posted by severance
if we are going for a point victory i would imagine hulks superior strength would give him the win. WWH is or should be the better fighter and can dish out heavier blows. Juggs will feel something from them. Remember he winded Juggs before.

fighting almost NEVER works like that, first of all.strength and strength of a strike are 2 very different things. ask anybody who ever fought bruce lee.

second, Juggs has access to an entire dimension full of Cyttorak power.

Juggs is Hulk with a force field and invulnerability.

Originally posted by Horrificus
fighting almost NEVER works like that, first of all.strength and strength of a strike are 2 very different things. ask anybody who ever fought bruce lee.

second, Juggs has access to an entire dimension full of Cyttorak power.

Juggs is Hulk with a force field and invulnerability.

I guarantee you Bruce lee did not hit as hard as Mike Tyson and I guarantee you Mike was stronger. So size and strength do have a large part to play in hitting hard. Bruce Lee had speed (strength to bodyweight ratio high) and technique.

Size and strength to body weight ratio and technique = how hard you hit. Hulk wins in all three of these categories he hits harder

Originally posted by severance
thanks for the war hulk scan long time since i seen it - he does appear to stop jugs

so we're agreed the hulk is physically stronger than juggs