ROTJ Luke vs TPM Maul

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
In debates, yes. Luck, intelligence, and the character's psyke don't come into play, otherwise Maul would lose every time because he's an idiot.

And what you wrote here:

Sensing his opportunity slipping away from him and his strength waning, Obi-Wan mounted a final assault . He rushed the Sith Lord with a series of side blows designed to bring the two-bladed lightsaber horizontal. Then he feinted an attack to his enemy's left and brought his own lightsaber over and down with such force that he severed the other's weapon.

Crying out in fury, he cut triumphantly at the Sith Lord's horned head, a killing blow. And missed completely.

Darth Maul, anticipating the maneuver , had stepped smoothly away. Discarding the lesser half of his severed weapon, he counterattacked swiftly, striking at Obi-Wan with enough force that he knocked the young Jedi sideways and off balance. Quickly he struck him again, harder still, and this time Obi-Wan lost his footing completely and tumbled over the edge of the pit, his lightsaber flying from his hand. For an instant, he was falling, tumbling away into the dark. He reached out in desperation and caught hold of a metal rung just below the lip of the pit.

There he hung, helpless, staring up at a triumphant Darth Maul.

See, this is where confusion runs rampant, the movie fight and novel fight are way different.

Well, he's an idiot in that he tends to let his gaurd down, like a lot of Sith.

I believe he let his guard down and almost died in the Pre-TPM novels. He let his guard down and died in TPM. Then he let his guard down and died once again when he was revived to take Vader's place as Palpatine's apprentice.

I never got why he didnt just KILL Kenobi, he HAD him, man.

Because he's an arrogant dipshit?

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Sheesh , I get home from the beach and have to deal with this? Advent already answered point number(and destroyed your argument btw) one so I see no reason to do the same.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
2) siddious was using a training lightsaber and obviously trying to kill ,maul.

I assume you mean that he wasn't but I'm just going of the the darkside sourcebook. So you can argue with it if you don't agree.

"Maul's final test as a Sith apprentice occurred on an isolated Outer Rim World. Abandoned there by Darth Sidious, he was told that he had to survive on his own until Sidious returned a month later, all the while being hunted by hordes of deadly assassin droids. Maul fought as best as he could, but exhaustion and hunger finally took their toll, and one of the tireless droids finally wounded him badly enough that he felt he could not go on. At that point, Darth Sidious returned and challenged his apprentice to a lightsaber duel, telling Maul that he had secretly been training a second apprentice in case Maul failed his final test-which, by failing to kill Sidious in the duel, he just had. Anger and hatred welled up in Maul, and he drew renewed strength from the dark side. Hurling himself at Darth Sidious, he nearly bested his master with a flurry of deadly lightsaber blows. Sidious barely deflected them all."

3) they didnt have the same coreography and visual effects back then so we cant go off of how the characters look on screen because if they had cgi back then yall know this would be a diffrent story.

Is this going to be your excuse for everything? It is a little pathetic. As I said before, Luke's skills in the books before and shortly after ROTJ isn't close to Maul's. So what's your excuse for that going to be?

4) the whole business of vader not trying to kill luke seems rather fishy to me because i saw vader throw the saber at lukes head, a move which is designed to kill in one blow, so im really skeptical at best of the theory.

5)luke seemed to be in controll of the duel the whole time what with meeting vader blow for blow and kicking him down the steps, and never loosing his saber in the dule, (same cant be said for maul).

As I already said Vader wasn't trying to kill him. That kick barely phased Vader, Vader wanted to turn him to the darkside which doesn't happen instantly. And OMG! Obiwan cut Darth Maul's lightsaber in HALF HE IS SO UBER!! Unfortunately for you Obiwan still recognized the fact that Maul was getting stronger and he was getting weaker.

And regarding the Anoon Bondara quote, don't give me that bullshit of asking what second to none means, you should know what it is because I posted the two quotes already in the past in this thread and in other threads that you have been in.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

And what you wrote here:

Sensing his opportunity slipping away from him and his strength waning, Obi-Wan mounted a final assault . He rushed the Sith Lord with a series of side blows designed to bring the two-bladed lightsaber horizontal. Then he feinted an attack to his enemy's left and brought his own lightsaber over and down with such force that he severed the other's weapon.

Crying out in fury, he cut triumphantly at the Sith Lord's horned head, a killing blow. And missed completely.

Darth Maul, anticipating the maneuver , had stepped smoothly away. Discarding the lesser half of his severed weapon, he counterattacked swiftly, striking at Obi-Wan with enough force that he knocked the young Jedi sideways and off balance. Quickly he struck him again, harder still, and this time Obi-Wan lost his footing completely and tumbled over the edge of the pit, his lightsaber flying from his hand. For an instant, he was falling, tumbling away into the dark. He reached out in desperation and caught hold of a metal rung just below the lip of the pit.

There he hung, helpless, staring up at a triumphant Darth Maul.

See, this is where confusion runs rampant, the movie fight and novel fight are way different.

Which part? Not that it matters because of the Obiwan quote in jedi vs sith.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Which part? Not that it matters because of the Obiwan quote in jedi vs sith.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just saying that the fight in the novel differs from the fight in the movie.

But I'm curious as to where that particular passage of the duel contradicts the movie fight.

Because the fight happened differently, man. In the novel it is a saber attack that throws Obi Wan over the edge.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because the fight happened differently, man. In the novel it is a saber attack that throws Obi Wan over the edge.

Meh, you are right there but it still doesn't invalidate the point as was making because of Jedi vs Sith.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Meh, you are right there but it still doesn't invalidate the point as was making because of Jedi vs Sith.

"elite" hunter you need not curse at me it is below the intelectual level we expect from you.

second , get mad all you want, you know you would be more impressed with the OT duelists if they had cgi bottom line.

use your willing suspension of disbelief

Originally posted by Man of Christ
"elite" hunter you need not curse at me it is below the intelectual level we expect from you.

Yea because I really cussed at you personally. I said it is BS that you are trying to question the meaning of "second to none" because it has been explained multiple times and in multiple threads. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you make a thread specifcally to address this? Wait let me answer this, you did.

second , get mad all you want, you know you would be more impressed with the OT duelists if they had cgi bottom line.

Why is this even an issue? Maul would straight up and down stomp Luke into a pile of crap. He almost killed Sidious (though it was short lived), pwned both QGJ and OB1 (and only lost due to his hubris and OB1's temporary tapping of the darkside that caught Maul off guard), and was still noted as being one of the most deadly Sith Apprentices ever.

Had Vader been trying to kill or even hurt Luke, then his feats would be more impressive. He kicked him once, and then, when touching the darkside and catching Vader off guard, cut his hand off. Vader put up no defence against it nor did he try to attack. Its not even that he only wanted to convert Luke, it's because he felt that love for his son, which is why he started acting all emo even in ESB.

Maul ftw.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Why is this even an issue? Maul would straight up and down stomp Luke into a pile of crap. He almost killed Sidious (though it was short lived), pwned both QGJ and OB1 (and only lost due to his hubris and OB1's temporary tapping of the darkside that caught Maul off guard), and was still noted as being one of the most deadly Sith Apprentices ever.

Had Vader been trying to kill or even hurt Luke, then his feats would be more impressive. He kicked him once, and then, when touching the darkside and catching Vader off guard, cut his hand off. Vader put up no defence against it nor did he try to attack. Its not even that he only wanted to convert Luke, it's because he felt that love for his son, which is why he started acting all emo even in ESB.

Maul ftw.

If you have something to say, then say it. Don't hide behind gay little smilies.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Why is this even an issue? Maul would straight up and down stomp Luke into a pile of crap. He almost killed Sidious (though it was short lived), pwned both QGJ and OB1 (and only lost due to his hubris and OB1's temporary tapping of the darkside that caught Maul off guard), and was still noted as being one of the most deadly Sith Apprentices ever.

Had Vader been trying to kill or even hurt Luke, then his feats would be more impressive. He kicked him once, and then, when touching the darkside and catching Vader off guard, cut his hand off. Vader put up no defence against it nor did he try to attack. Its not even that he only wanted to convert Luke, it's because he felt that love for his son, which is why he started acting all emo even in ESB.

Maul ftw.

luke was going easy on vader too. he was trying to convert him back to lightside

However Vader was dictating the pace of the fight, and you can NOT say that Luke was holing back when he was trying to knock Vader out of Fenway Park with his baseball bat, er... I mean lightsaber.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
However Vader was dictating the pace of the fight, and you can NOT say that Luke was holing back when he was trying to knock Vader out of Fenway Park with his baseball bat, er... I mean lightsaber.

he was holding back untill he got angry ad pwnd vader