ROTJ Luke vs TPM Maul

Originally posted by darthyoda23
yea but vader beated maul 😕

yea, darthyoda23, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Barely and Luke in ROTJ is nothing compared to these two. Luke would admit in another book that Vader could have killed him on the death star if he wanted to.

Originally posted by darthyoda23
whatever im still giving it to luke no changing my mind 😠

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
To bad that the most people but Man of Christ agreed with my argument that Maul wins. 😉

darthyoda23, how bout you just go click yourself to a forum where you know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by skywalker833
darthyoda23, how bout you just go click yourself to a forum where you know what you are talking about.

Lots of people have seen star wars but don't know what they are talking about. Tell me, how many eu books have you read? probably none. most people here have read a lot. I myself have read 16.

Originally posted by skywalker833
Lots of people have seen star wars but don't know what they are talking about. Tell me, how many eu books have you read? probably none. most people here have read a lot. I myself have read 16.

Whatever. I'm done listening to you. But I have a few suggestions for you. If you don't want do get banned, do these things.

1. Read the rules at the top of the forum under battle bar #2.

2. Don't post dead threads, people will get mad.

3. Try to learn a bit more about star wars, cuz you don't know much, no offense.

4. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't say anything. You'll just get laughed at and critisized.

I appreciate that you are a fellow SW fan, and that you pursue it by going to KMC. But if you don't follow the rules, you'll get banned.
Thnx!
and keep it kool! 😄

Originally posted by Se7in
Maul was holding him off, but he was losing on even ground. Maul won because of the terrain. Yes it speaks to his resourcefulness, but on even ground Kenobi would have won.

Despite the fact that that makes sense and we saw Obi-Wan straight-up floor Maul, factual statements by stupid authors overrule any such deceleration.

Maul was factually a better duelist then Obi-Wan even when he was blodo lusted.

Maul is factually one of the greatest technically skilled duelists in the PT's line of duelists. 😐

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Despite the fact that that makes sense and we saw Obi-Wan straight-up floor Maul, factual statements by stupid authors overrule any such deceleration.

Maul was factually a better duelist then Obi-Wan even when he was blodo lusted.

Maul is factually one of the greatest technically skilled duelists in the PT's line of duelists. 😐

Often enough to make it a deciding factor.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Indeed. 👆

TPM Novel during Kenobi's use of the darkside

Sensing his opportunity slipping away from him and his strength waning, Obi-Wan mounted a final assault . He rushed the Sith Lord with a series of side blows designed to bring the two-bladed lightsaber horizontal. Then he feinted an attack to his enemy's left and brought his own lightsaber over and down with such force that he severed the other's weapon.

Crying out in fury, he cut triumphantly at the Sith Lord's horned head, a killing blow. And missed completely.

Darth Maul, anticipating the maneuver , had stepped smoothly away. Discarding the lesser half of his severed weapon, he counterattacked swiftly, striking at Obi-Wan with enough force that he knocked the young Jedi sideways and off balance. Quickly he struck him again, harder still, and this time Obi-Wan lost his footing completely and tumbled over the edge of the pit, his lightsaber flying from his hand. For an instant, he was falling, tumbling away into the dark. He reached out in desperation and caught hold of a metal rung just below the lip of the pit.

There he hung, helpless, staring up at a triumphant Darth Maul.

And this is Obiwan from Jedi vs Sith

When the last door lifted,I gave in to my anger as I charged the dark warrior. I absolutely wanted to destroy him. He used my anger against me,actually fed off my fury,gaining strength as I exhausted my own. I lost my lightsaber and he had me.

Both passages are canon as they are describing how the character feels and what we can't see with out eyes. And for the recordwhen Maul pushed Kenobi he loses his saber in midair then he hits the floor and then bounces off the floor again(his head and neck area) and into the put and manages to grab hold of the pipe.

OK Elite hunter you asked me to elaborate and elaborate i shall

1) maul beating anoon boondara is employment of the A>b>c: A>C logic which sometimes works but then again sometimes doesn't

the whole "second to none skills" thing isn't specific enough, second to none in what? physical strenth? speed? endurance? it isnt specific enough. and even if we use that statement it contradicts the satement of yoda being the most devastatingly powerful foe that the darkness had ever known.

2) siddious was using a training lightsaber and obviously trying to kill ,maul.

3) they didnt have the same coreography and visual effects back then so we cant go off of how the characters look on screen because if they had cgi back then yall know this would be a diffrent story.

if we go by how characters looked on screen then in that case tpm obi wan should be able to put a serious hurting on ROTJ vader but is that the case?????? NO!

4) the whole business of vader not trying to kill luke seems rather fishy to me because i saw vader throw the saber at lukes head, a move which is designed to kill in one blow, so im really skeptical at best of the theory.

and eving if that were the case, how hindered was vader? was he only at 99% of his usual darkside self 64% who can measure.

5)luke seemed to be in controll of the duel the whole time what with meeting vader blow for blow and kicking him down the steps, and never loosing his saber in the dule, (same cant be said for maul).

overall i would still say luke wins of if not he is a considerable deadly challenge for maul.

okay u know what in the comic book vader defeated maul luke defeated vader and he wasnt trying hes best so whats maul gonna do

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Does skill always win out in the end though?

In debates, yes. Luck, intelligence, and the character's psyke don't come into play, otherwise Maul would lose every time because he's an idiot.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
In debates, yes. Luck, intelligence, and the character's psyke don't come into play, otherwise Maul would lose every time because he's an idiot.

I'm not wasting my time addressing all those ridiculous points for EH, but I'll take down a few since I'm bored:

Originally posted by Man of Christ
OK Elite hunter you asked me to elaborate and elaborate i shall

1) maul beating anoon boondara is employment of the A>b>c: A>C logic which sometimes works but then again sometimes doesn't

It speaks volumes for his prowess with a blade, which should really the entire point. In this case, A is > C without a doubt; we don't even need to consider Anoon being obviously much more formidable than Luke.

Maul's feats are unmatched and unobtainable by ROTJ Luke, he possesses all the physical advantages, and has had far more training and combat experience.

There's absolutely no way Luke wins or puts up a good fight. And the only semblance of proof I've seen thus far was that "z0MG, h3 b34ted d4rth v4d3r!!11//oneeleven!!"; which accounts for nothing because Maul could certainly replicate the victory.

the whole "second to none skills" thing isn't specific enough, second to none in what? physical strenth? speed? endurance? it isnt specific enough.

Originally posted by Advent
"The Twi'lek Jedi Master lived in the Force. Always still and complacent as a pool of unknown depth, he was nevertheless one of the best fighters in the order. [b]His skill with a lightsaber was second to none." (Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter)[/B]

Originally posted by Advent
From Cloak of Deception:

"A Twi'lek, with slender head-tails and a heavily muscled upper body, [b]his name was Anoon Bondara, a duelist of unparalleled skill. Qui-Gon engaged him in matches at every opportunity. For a match with Bondara, no matter how brief, was more instructive than twenty contests against lesser opponents."

unparalleled, adj.

Not paralleled; unequaled or unmatched; peerless; unprecedented.

QED. [/B]

It's made explicitly clear that his lightsaber dueling skills are unmatched by anyone in the Jedi Order.

and even if we use that statement it contradicts the satement of yoda being the most devastatingly powerful foe that the darkness had ever known.

Hardly. Anoon Bondara's lightsaber abilities certainly could have trumped TPM Yoda's (and I've already proved before that they did in this thread), but that doesn't necessarily make Anoon more powerful overall. In the same passage, it's stated that Anoon is only "one of the best fighters" when they encompass his strength in the Force, etc. This leaves room for Yoda to still be considered more powerful - even as of TPM.

Then again, I think it'd be easier to explain by just pointing out TPM Yoda != ROTS Yoda, who would've logically progressed in power since Mace Windu did (and he is always regarded as his superior).

overall i would still say luke wins of if not he is a considerable deadly challenge for maul.

No, he gets his head severed in the first few seconds courtesy of a precisely placed red lightsaber blade. Maul wins without much - if any - difficulty; anyone with half a brain would agree with as much.