Interesting...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Total different thing.

How?

Originally posted by Bardock42

Either claim that they are fundamentally the same thing or that some connections can be drawn.

Im caiming they are fundamentally the same...

Originally posted by Bardock42

Giving a few connections does not prove that they are fundamentally the same.

It does if the connections are being drawn from the fundamentals also the reason why there seems to be only a few connections is because the fundamentals are very basic. There is something called God and it is eternal, infinite and cannot be fully undertsood by human logic, so we try to transcend human logic. The difference in the fundamentals are not actually differences but different ways of describing the same thing eg. In Taoism the description of the Tao is very similar to descriptions of God in the Quran, it differs from Islam in that they use gods to describe difference aspects of god while in Islam they use names.

Oh, I think I get what your problem is...do you maybe think that Religions are fundamentally the same as they are a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency? And usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, I think I get what your problem is...do you maybe think that Religions are fundamentally the same as they are a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency? And usually involving devotional and ritual observances,

Yes beacuse all religon does is do the above in a different way.

Originally posted by Bardock42

and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs?

Im not so concerned with human afffairs, yes its connected with god and gods but very basics is the existance of god and your personal relationship to it. Human affairs are an extension from the basics.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes beacuse all religon does is do the above in a different way.

Yeah, see, that happens to be true because IT IS THE ****ING DEFINITION OF THE WORD RELIGION.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, see, that happens to be true because IT IS THE ****ING DEFINITION OF THE WORD RELIGION.

Ok but what I was saying was more complicated than that. Im saying those things that cause a religon to be categorised as a differnet religon arent even differences. An ignorant person will say that Islam is a montheistic religon and Hinduism is polythesitic when Hinduism is actually monothestic.

P.S. Theres no need to swear.

Originally posted by Alfheim
An ignorant person will say that Islam is a montheistic religon and Hinduism is polythesitic when Hinduism is actually monothestic.

An ignorant person would make such bold claims about the unknowable nature of the divine spirit Bramah 😉

Hinduism, like Christianity, can be either depending on the motives of the person defining mono and poly

Originally posted by inimalist
An ignorant person would make such bold claims about the unknowable nature of the divine spirit Bramah 😉

Hinduism, like Christianity, can be either depending on the motives of the person defining mono and poly

Ok if its stated that the gods are different aspects of one god and hindus themselves actually say they are not many but one...what conclusion should I come to?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok if its stated that the gods are different aspects of one god and hindus themselves actually say they are not many but one...what conclusion should I come to?

If the son, the spirit and the father are all one, but exist in different times and places independently of each other and serve separate purposes, yet are constantly one force, and there are Christians who claim that they are one or that they are 3, what conclusion should I come to?

What you are describing is a real question in the Hindu faith. I was taught that Bramah is a force, not a God, and the two should never be confused.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok but what I was saying was more complicated than that. Im saying those things that cause a religon to be categorised as a differnet religon arent even differences. An ignorant person will say that Islam is a montheistic religon and Hinduism is polythesitic when Hinduism is actually monothestic.

P.S. Theres no need to swear.

Greek Mythology is though.

Originally posted by inimalist
If the son, the spirit and the father are all one, but exist in different times and places independently of each other and serve separate purposes, yet are constantly one force, and there are Christians who claim that they are one or that they are 3, what conclusion should I come to?

The problem with the trinity is that the concept started from Paul (as far as I know) and Paul had dodgey intentions he even fell out with people who knew Jesus, so as far as im concerned the Trinity is not a fundamental part of Christanity. If you look at gnostic teachings im pretty sure they have the concept of God being like a force being everywhere and in everyone.

Originally posted by inimalist

What you are describing is a real question in the Hindu faith. I was taught that Bramah is a force, not a God, and the two should never be confused.

Thats just semantics. You could say the samething about the Tao but you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that force and god can be the samething. That doesnt change the fcat that Shiva, Brahama and Vishnu are supposed to be different aspects of one thing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Greek Mythology is though.

Yeah it is but it could be argued that greek mythology is another way of describing monotheism. God is everywhere, everything is define and the different gods represent different aspects of reality. Sure you dont have one god called Jehovah but the fact that different aspects of reality have a divine nature is an indication that everything is considered to be infinite.

I also think Greek mythology might have some roots in Egyptian mythology and I think in some cases the Egyptains may have considered the different gods to aspects of one......but dont quote me on that.

Greek Mythology is though.

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Alfheim, your opinion seems to be rooted in very, very heavy interpretation in the way you want and frankly, I think it is kinda offensive to really polytheistic religions.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Alfheim, your opinion seems to be rooted in very, very heavy interpretation in the way you want and frankly, I think it is kinda offensive to really polytheistic religions.

No not really all im saying is that polytheism doesnt have to contradict monotheism. In monotheism god is infinite and is everywhere in polytheism everything is infinite. Basically both concepts teach you that everything is define in different ways. You dont even need to see that different gods are aspects of one but you can see that everything is divine, this is really what religon is all about the divinity of reality. Whats offensive about that?

Originally posted by Alfheim
No not really all im saying is that polytheism doesnt have to contradict monotheism. In monotheism god is infinite and is everywhere in polytheism everything is infinite. Basically both concepts teach you that everything is define in different ways. You dont even need to see that different gods are aspects of one but you can see that everything is divine, this is really what religon is all about the divinity of reality. Whats offensive about that?

I am not sure that in Greek Mythology everything was infinite. And I think it is more like grasping straws really. The Religions state fundamentally different things, though you could interpret so far to make it seem similar. But that's like it with most things. That way libertarians, nazis and communists basically say the same thing.

And Christianity doesn't believe that everything is divine. Islam doesn't. Hinduism doesn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure that in Greek Mythology everything was infinite.

Not explicitly but the fact that reality does not cease to exist is one indication of that. Im not an expert on Greek mythology but im pretty sure Norse mythology implies this and I had this confirmed by learned Heathens so no really polythiests dont find what I said offensive at all. In fact ive heard heathens say that if you study different religons you understand your own better further indicating that religons at the root are similar.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And I think it is more like grasping straws really. The Religions state fundamentally different things, though you could interpret so far to make it seem similar. But that's like it with most things. That way libertarians, nazis and communists basically say the same thing.

And Christianity doesn't believe that everything is divine. Islam doesn't. Hinduism doesn't.

I could be wrong but im quite sure Hinduism states that there is divinity in everything.

I could be wrong but im under the impression that Christanity initially taught that God was in everything this is what Gnostic Christians taught and were persecuted.

Islam teaches that God is infinite. If God is infinite that he is everywhere it doesnt matter how you spin it.

Alf, man

don't throw fundamentalist interpretations of doctrine and tell me thats how it is. I'm an atheist, I have no interest whatsoever in debating whether or not the "thing" which hindu divinities are an aspect of is a God or not. My point was to say that, with regards to Hinduism or even christianity, you cannot make blanket statements, especially with regards to polytheism.

If you want my personal opinion, no, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahman are not aspects of Brahma, Brahma is not a God, and none of them exist.

However, to Hindus, there is disagreement. As there is disagreement between Christians as to whether or not Jesus was a man, or the divinity of Mary.

Originally posted by inimalist
Alf, man

don't throw fundamentalist interpretations of doctrine and tell me thats how it is. I'm an atheist, I have no interest whatsoever in debating whether or not the "thing" which hindu divinities are an aspect of is a God or not.

Its up to you if you want to debaate or not, but dont participate in a debate and then say your not interested. 😬

Originally posted by inimalist

My point was to say that, with regards to Hinduism or even christianity, you cannot make blanket statements, especially with regards to polytheism.

Usually not best policy but that depends...I could say that Odin is All-Father of the gods and there is evidence to indicate it is and is the general consensus but if you look deeper into history you will see at one point Tyr was All-Father and so was Thor at one point.

Originally posted by inimalist

If you want my personal opinion, no, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahman are not aspects of Brahma,

http://www.hindunet.org/god/trinity/index.htm

These are the three main forms of the Goddess, as Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are the three main forms of the God. The three Goddesses are often worshipped in their own right as well as along with their spouses.

Originally posted by inimalist

Brahma is not a God,

What did I say concerning this? I said descriptions of Brahama can be similar to God in the Quran. I mean im pretty sure a muslim will tell that Allah does not have hands or a head etc and is beyond human comprehension the word god is just semantics.

Originally posted by inimalist

and none of them exist.

Thats not what were talking about though is it?

Originally posted by inimalist

However, to Hindus, there is disagreement.

There is disagreement in everything but the consensus seems to be that Brahma and co are aspects of one god.

Originally posted by inimalist

As there is disagreement between Christians as to whether or not Jesus was a man, or the divinity of Mary.

Yup but one of my points is what Chrisanity initially taught, I can stand to be corrected but im quite sure that Gnostic Christanity taught that everything was divine, the creation of the trinity was created by people who were looking to manipulate religon and therefore is not a true aspect of the religon. Are these Christains also aware that there is a guy in the Bible with the same attributs as God? What do you think this indicates? This implies the divinity of man.

Im not an expert on Christanity but im pretty sure if I did intense research I would find plenty of passages that indicate that everything is divine so if they want to argue wether Mary is divine its up to them.

ok, alf, again, you are taking what I am saying and trying to have an argument with me that I am not interested in having.

I am saying, much like christianity, Hinduism can be polytheist, depending on interpretation.

To this, you are telling me what the interpretation of Hinduism or Christianity IS. Thats fine, you can be of that opinion. I am not making specific statements about the nature of any of these religions. My point is that you are taking what is a very contentious point of a religion, telling me what the answer is, and then trying to argue with me about it.

This is why I mentioned my atheism. I don't care whether the truth is that there is a trinity in christianity or if it is one. I don't buy either account. But it is overly presumptuous of you to say that you have the absolute knowledge about what has been a religious argument for thousands of years.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, alf, again, you are taking what I am saying and trying to have an argument with me that I am not interested in having.

I am saying, much like christianity, Hinduism can be polytheist, depending on interpretation.

To this, you are telling me what the interpretation of Hinduism or Christianity IS. Thats fine, you can be of that opinion. I am not making specific statements about the nature of any of these religions. My point is that you are taking what is a very contentious point of a religion, telling me what the answer is, and then trying to argue with me about it.

This is why I mentioned my atheism. I don't care whether the truth is that there is a trinity in christianity or if it is one. I don't buy either account. But it is overly presumptuous of you to say that you have the absolute knowledge about what has been a religious argument for thousands of years.

All im saying to you is that whenever discussing religon why try to go by the most established opinion. Of course theres difference of opinion in religon, also what im trying to do is try and look at where certain beliefs may have stemed from.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Are all beliefs right???

Atheism: There is no God

Christianity: There is a God.

Islam: Allah is the last prophet.

wtf when did Islam say that Allah is the last prophet?
shows how much you know about islam