Its clear that because KK cant come up with proof of BT's expert MA skill besides what the handbook says, sarcasm is issued instead. Any type of fighting on panel that shows MA expertise from BT cant be submitted by anyone who says that he is.
Ill just take the sarcasm as a childish way of saying "I cant prove it.".
Like stated before, training doesnt automatically mean MA expert. Does he train in gymnastics? Boxing? Who knows. He hasnt shown any indication of being an expert. Period. Until then, ill continue to take what the handbook says with a grain of salt.
Feats >>>> Handbooks.
EDIT: I will however concede that hes able to heal himself. Definately not like Wolvie, Red or Sabes, but heal nonetheless. Ill also take his durability as being bulletproof. His strength as 25 cl? I havent seen him do anything over 10cl.
Originally posted by KK the Great
Remember that time you registered and then I sent you a quiz about Black Tarantula to make sure your views were acceptable to me?Oh..
Wait.
No.
That was the other way around.
It getting old and rather futile remark.
becuase Im not the one saying a character will beat another character with out giving any valid reasons.
I am also not the one saying that "um BT trained so he expert MA" so that means he comparable to Logan in skill who a top tier fighter way better trained and vastly better feats of skill and vastly more experience.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
[B]uve said this about 4 times already.It getting old and rather futile remark.
My mentioning your unapologetic fanboyism doesn't take away from the laughable irony in your accusing anyone else of bias, no matter how many times I mention your bizarre compulsion to quiz new posters for compatibility.
Originally posted by KK the Great
My mentioning your unapologetic fanboyism doesn't take away from the laughable irony in your accusing anyone else of bias, no matter how many times I mention your bizarre compulsion to quiz new posters for compatibility.
you just love gio off topic.............could it be ebcuase you have no arguement and are getting spanked on this thread at every turn?
Oh and I may be bias, but unlike your self I don't let my bias take over so I say retarded arguments liek BT is comparable to Logan skill lol
Originally posted by Battlehammer
you just love gio off topic.............could it be ebcuase you have no arguement and are getting spanked on this thread at every turn?
Please.
All throughout the thread I've been met with nothing but brash, even proud ignorance of the character being discussed.
How many damn times have one of you said "he would never use his eye blasts because of honor" or "he can only use it once before needing to recharge" so far? Ten times? Maybe more?
When the reality is this:
The first time he ever fought Spider-Man, do you know what his first move was?
Don't. I'll tell you.
It was his eye blast.
Right off the bat he used it.
Then do you know what he did as his second move, scant seconds later?
If you guess "eye blast" you can expect your prize in the mail, because that's exactly right.
This attack that he "would never use" and "needs minutes to recharge" was both his first and second attack in his very first encounter with Spider-Man. OBVIOUSLY, you guys are arguing from a position of resounding ignorance.
And while we're on it, what was the other counter to his eye blast? I think you guys just brushed his long-range capabilities off with "Logan could dodge" and that was that. But Spider-Man comments in their second fight that he was barely able to dodge the eye blast even with his spider-sense.
If Spider-Man has trouble dodging something, then you're dealing with a very difficult to dodge attack.
Originally posted by KK the Great
Please.All throughout the thread I've been met with nothing but brash, even proud ignorance of the character being discussed.
How many damn times have one of you said "he would never use his eye blasts because of honor" or "he can only use it once before needing to recharge" so far? Ten times? Maybe more?
When the reality is this:
The first time he ever fought Spider-Man, do you know what his first move was?
Don't. I'll tell you.
It was his eye blast.
Right off the bat he used it.
Then do you know what he did as his second move, scant seconds later?
If you guess "eye blast" you can expect your prize in the mail, because that's exactly right.
This attack that he "would never use" and "needs minutes to recharge" was both his first and second attack in his very first encounter with Spider-Man. OBVIOUSLY, you guys are arguing from a position of resounding ignorance.
And while we're on it, what was the other counter to his eye blast? I think you guys just brushed his long-range capabilities off with "Logan could dodge" and that was that. But Spider-Man comments in their second fight that he was barely able to dodge the eye blast even with his spider-sense.
If Spider-Man has trouble dodging something, then you're dealing with a very difficult to dodge attack.
No ignorance at all. So you final looked at the BT thread. So much for BT superior speed. Spiderman in there first encounter was moving so fast BT was getting hit on all sides. Yes BT did get his leg, but after been hitt repeatedly. This clearly shows that BT not on spidermans level of speed.
also in there second fight spiderman was already injured. so an injured spiderman ahd trouble dodging whoopy lol he still managed it thatg does not say much for BT.
Also I like to add BT would shoot eye blast maybe on or two, but as soon as his opponet made it clear they wanted to go h2h that what he did due to his honor code.
Also his eye blast are crap and are not able to KO logan in the least. They damage a brick wall whoopy. Not to mention Logan could do this
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No ignorance at all. So you final looked at the BT thread. So much for BT superior speed. Spiderman in there first encounter was moving so fast BT was getting hit on all sides. Yes BT did get his leg, but after been hitt repeatedly. This clearly shows that BT not on spidermans level of speed.
What are you talking about? He doesn't have Spider-Man's particular combat style, but he casually reaches out and plucks Spider-Man from the air during one of Peter's patented blitzes.
also in there second fight spiderman was already injured. so an injured spiderman ahd trouble dodging whoopy lol he still managed it thatg does not say much for BT.
The scans are in the wrong order, genius.
He's injured from the fight with BT in the later scans.
Also his eye blast are crap and are not able to KO logan in the least. They damage a brick wall whoopy. Not to mention Logan could do this
Spider-Man, with his spider-sense, could barely dodge his blasts. Wolverine is *not* going to just cock his head to the side and avoid them.
A few things about Spidey's blitz on BT. It doesnt look like Spidey was attacking. It looks more like he was trying to evade BT. The 2 indications on BT's shoulder look as if its where bricks fell.
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asm432p188hn.jpg
In regards to the second fight, i think its after the first encounter between the two.
Originally posted by KK the Great
What are you talking about? He doesn't have Spider-Man's particular combat style, but he casually reaches out and plucks Spider-Man from the air during one of Peter's patented blitzes.The scans are in the wrong order, genius.
He's injured from the fight with BT in the later scans.
Spider-Man, with his spider-sense, could barely dodge his blasts. Wolverine is *not* going to just cock his head to the side and avoid them.
not so sure about that the first scann which si the first page show spiderman arm injured to beggin with.
actaully wolverine will be. Scot skill with his laser>>>>>>>>>>BT
so again whats your arguement for BT. He gunna do what?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He was getting hit over and over. if he had spidermans combat speed he would have got him before beig blizt. Not to mention in there second fight spiderman is shown to have superior speed yet again.
Over and over? At best you can say he was hit twice.
The bottom line is that he casually snatched Peter out of the air during one of his famous speed-blitzes.
not so sure about that the first scann which si the first page show spiderman arm injured to beggin with.
Again, the scans are out of order.
His arm is dangling and injured in the first scan because of BT dislocating it in a later scan.
Look how he's all busted up and battle-damaged in the first scans, but then all of the sudden he bounds onto the scene with a fresh costume and no signs of damage. Those later pages actually come first.
actaully wolverine will be. Scot skill with his laser>>>>>>>>>>BT
Which is why Wolverine dodging Cyke's blast is such an anomaly, and a ridiculously poor showing for Scott.
All that would've taken on Cyke's part is producing a wider beam that couldn't be dodged so easily at close range. But he opted to shoot a couple of thin-beams and call it quits? You can talk all you'd like about his skill with his eyebeams, but it doesn't matter much if he blatantly neglected to use it in your reference.
Originally posted by KK the Great
Over and over? At best you can say he was hit twice.The bottom line is that he casually snatched Peter out of the air during one of his famous speed-blitzes.
Again, the scans are out of order.
His arm is dangling and injured in the first scan because of BT dislocating it in a later scan.
Look how he's all busted up and battle-damaged in the first scans, but then all of the sudden he bounds onto the scene with a fresh costume and no signs of damage. Those later pages actually come first.
Which is why Wolverine dodging Cyke's blast is such an anomaly, and a ridiculously poor showing for Scott.
All that would've taken on Cyke's part is producing a wider beam that couldn't be dodged so easily at close range. But he opted to shoot a couple of thin-beams and call it quits? You can talk all you'd like about his skill with his eyebeams, but it doesn't matter much if he blatantly neglected to use it in your reference.
Spiderman was bouncing all around him. He finally caught spiderman...........meaning he not on spiderman level of speed let a lone above. Meaning there no way in hell he faster then Logan likly not as fast.
Then in there second find spiderman again showed superior combat speed to BT.
how it poor writing that wolverien dodged scots blast? it well with his his ability and scots character for somethign like that it happen. Ya scot could have taken off hsi visor and killed his wife, capt and every one else. also scot used his skill with aim, but Logan was to fast to be hit. You can have all the aim in the world, but if the person can dodge your attacks your screwed.
also Logan dodge scots blasts in the past as well...........he actaully has dodged them after they were fired before..........
actaully if you look the first scann has the title in it...........mean it was the first scann of the issue and oh look spiderman injured already
For my post I will be referring to Black Tarantula as BT most of the time, just because I am being lazy. Just so there no confusion
People have been saying Black tarantula beats Wolverine (some have gone so far as to laugh at the idea of Logan winning). There reasoning is due to BT beating Spiderman.
The problem with that kind of abc logic is the fact that Logan and Spiderman have similar, but also very different attributes. BT is effective against Spiderman due to the fact he strong enough to rip through the webbing and is durable enough to shrug off Spiderman’s assaults’ while still being fast enough to get a hold of Spiderman. This makes him a very dangerous foe for Spiderman to face.
These however are not attributes that are effective verse Logan. Logan is made to take down individuals with inhuman durability. Logan’s claws simply bypass there durability. Logan’s healing factor allows for him to take any sort of punishment presented to him.
Just because a character can defeat Spiderman does not mean he can defeat Logan and vice versa due to there different attributes.
Also from what has been view by BT fights with Spiderman he is not overly agile. He likely not even as agile as Logan and from what has been seen of his combat speed he also not as quick as Spiderman is. Meaning Logan will have little trouble hitting him. Logan may even have the speed edge. Logan is also able to take far more punches from BT then BT could take stabs from Logan.
BT when facing Logan is facing an opponent who vastly his superior in skill, that is not the case when facing Spiderman.
Also some of being saying he will use his range abilities. True he may use them, but due to cis as soon as Logan makes it clear he wishes to fight in melee combat, BT will fallow suit. Also BT range attacks are no capable of putting Logan down as we have seen and if Logan wished to he could simply dodge them as show below.
Wolverine reacting to Scots optic blasts, that as fast if not faster. Scot also has with out a doubt superior aim to BT to date.
http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopssucks03rw3fz0.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopssucks04hy7uu3xw5.jpg
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Neither is BT, so that's irrelevant.
Its stated that hes recieved training and has been able to catch Spiderman with ease. Cap maybe able to beat Spiderman in H2H but ive never seen him casullay catch Spiderman while speed-blitzing.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
I've seen Daredeil tag Spider-Man. Is Daredevil much faster?Bt = tp tier martial arts expert? 😂
Hell, I reckon I've seen better h2h feats from Gambit...
You missed the point. The issue is not just about tagging its about how easily he did it. Spiderman did a speedblitz and BT casually caught him, furthermore its harder to grab your opponent with one hand than it is to hit them.
Furthermore he took out Delilah who is a trained assassin. If hes been trained and can take out people who are MA trained then its not illogical to think he an MA expert.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
It's illogical to think that it will do anything other than prolong his death. 🙂
Why?
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Sure, you could debate it. You'd still be clearly wrong, but you could do it.
Can Wolverine casually grab Spiderman while speedblitzing?
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
History shows he'd favor a h2h fight with a melee fighter. Spider-Man wouldn't take it to h2h normally, so he logically would use ranged attacks against him. Pretty basic logic, and CIS.
Also BT has been shown that he is a tactical fighter and will use whatever means he can to win. On one occassion he allowed himself to get hit, so its not illogical that he would also use the eye blast if he thought it would be useful.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Actually, using feats, I can... unless you've seen Black Tarantula demonstrate the level of Logan...Firstly, that's bullshit. Secondly, he's not an MA expert.
Again he has not trouble catching or tagging him. In their second fight he could have killed Spiderman in one second flat. Hell DD can tag Spiderman but not that easily.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
BT isn't faster than Spider-Man, and he's not an MA expert...
Again he has not trouble catching or tagging him. In their second fight he could have killed Spiderman in one second flat. Hell DD can tag Spiderman but not that easily.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
Wolverine could drop him LONG before Wolverine would be dropped.
Why?
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
He definitely does, until further notice.
He might do but you cant say that about a character that has not had that many showings.
Originally posted by SwindlingSmurphLulz.
No what your supposed to do is explain why you think the statement is crap. When two people debate that dont just make statements like "lulz" what people do is then explain clearly and coherently why they think the statement is crap.
Originally posted by jrodslam
ILike stated before, training doesnt automatically mean MA expert. Does he train in gymnastics? Boxing? Who knows. He hasnt shown any indication of being an expert. Period. Until then, ill continue to take what the handbook says with a grain of salt.
Look that argument is crap. Lots of people on this forum use the argument that we dont know that its certain and its bullshit. You know why because in the real world people are not certain about lots of things but they use the evidence to indicate what the most likely conclusion is. Programmers implement progarms all the time and they are not entirely sure that it will work but they still use them, if they followed your line of logic nothing woulf get done.
Its not stated explicitly but we can deduce that he probably is an MA expert because he has taken out Spiderman with ease something that Cap and DD have not been able to do and his training has enabled him to beat Delilah who is a trained assasin. So we can conclude that he is an MA expert because his job involves beating people up and he does it very well.
Hell its been said on-panel that Delliah is a skilled assasin you might as well argue that she wasnt trained in MA either when the most likely conclusion is that she is.
