Originally posted by Sparkz
Joe Q doesn't want Spidey to be all grown up it seems, but I think Spider-man in the 90's animated series put it best in the last episode :"Well Stan I guess we all have to grow up some time I suppose, even us characters in fiction"
Maybe he missed that episode.
so Peter is again 16? if not how stupid it would be making
a nerd of him at a age of 25-30 or that he still lives with his aunt.
damn you aunt may, i just want that old lady death.
she has more lives than a cat.
In all of comics, there were two characters whose morality have been above reproach: Superman and Spider-man. Batman, Iron Man, Wonderwoman, even Captain America have all made "questionable" decisions at times; but no matter what happened, Supes and Spidey would always be the examples to follow. It's even been said that although many heroes find Spidey's antics annoying, they admire him and the principles he stand for. Wolverine, Captain America, even Daredevil have all said as much (just not to his face). He makes his choices based on the core values we've seen him develop and nurture over the decades.
But where Superman's choices almost always ended up in his benefit in the end, Spider-man's often end in some form of hardship for him. But still, he made those choices not out of a desire to choose what was best for him, but what was the "right" or "just" choice to make. Even when he knew the outcome would likely cause him or others hardship. Why? Because he believes with all his heart that with "great power comes great responsibility". Ever since the day Ben died, he's let his moral compass guide his way unwaveringly. May and MJ have been put in danger a number of times in the past due to his life as Spider-man, and yet in the end he's always persevered in that role. Sure, now and then he "quits" being Spider-man (as May put it, he does it periodically), but in the end he always returns to form.
But now, here he is making a deal with the devil! And no, not the figurative devil, the (for all intents and purposes) actual devil. The prince of lies himself. Never mind the fact that he has a LONG track record of double-crossing those who are stupid enough to make a deal with him. (If he's true to form, May will be hit by a bus or something within the next few weeks, and MJ will have to live with the fact that it was all in vain.) The only reason they threw that bit in there about Mephisto doing this in exchange for feeding off their misery, is because they didn't want Peter to have to give up his soul too. How many years of enjoyment is Mephisto going to get out of this anyway? 50 maybe 60 years before their both dead and their soles end up in a place where he can't feed on them anymore (that is, if soles that make deals with him, regardless of what the bargain was for, can go someplace besides his realm)?
This is a fundamental betrayal of Spider-man's character.
THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!!! DON'T THOSE IDIOTS EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LEFT IN DROVES AFTER THE WHOLE "CLONE SAGA" DEBACLE? NOT BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD STORY, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE CHARACTER HAD GONE THROUGH FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS DIDN'T REALLY HAPPEN! AND NOW, HERE WE GO AGAIN!
AUNT MAY KNOWS HIS SECRET? NOT ANYMORE!
DOES THE WORLD KNOW WHO HE IS? NOPE!
DOES FLASH THOMPSON HATE HIS GUTS? YEP!
EVERY LAST SINGLE BIT OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS HAS BEEN FOR NOTHING!!!
THEY MAY AS WELL UNDO THE ENTIRE CIVIL WAR, BRINGING CAP BACK TO LIFE AND MAKING HIM AND TONY BEST BUDS AGAIN!
THOSE SPINESLESS ****S MADE BOLD DECISIONS WITH THE CHARACTER LATELY, THEN DIDN'T HAVE THE STONES TO STICK TO IT!
"IT'S TOO HARD TO WRITE FOR THE CHARACTER NOW."
"CAN'T THINGS GO BACK TO HOW THEY USED TO BE?"
"I WANT TO WRITE HOW I LIKED HIM BEST."
I AM FINISHED WITH MARVEL! NO, AS A MATTER
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfDon't know if it's true, but I thought superman's sales went down due to the terrible writing and heads rolled there raising sales back up.(though again this is second word, and was some time ago, my memory's hazy. It needs to be checked and backed or dismisses by someone with more knowledge.)
Then they will make another spiderman movie. Brings in bandwagon fans....sales go up.Face it...sales don't take a dive.
I actually dont believe that comic sales matter at all to marvel.....especially when their icons are concerned
The story was written badly and the overall need to fix things is a product of marvel.....when you have several titles involving spiderman, and ones which have to ties to his main 616 world, and a title not tied to 616 where this mindset is active there was no need for this
I was not even taken by the story....the lame reason why aunt may should not die was a horrible excuse.....she should have died and peter should have moved on with mary jane
I dont buy captain america comics and i dont buy spiderman( and others) comics, my DC pull list is twice as much if not more...and is it not funny that most of the titles that i gave up on marvel happened under Joe Q!
It's true though, bu never meeting Mary Jane, Spider-man's entire life after like issue 60 or so pretty much never happened, because Mary Jane has influenced him in some way ever since then, from perhaps them having a fight and he goes off as Spidey to burn some steam and end's up fighting a super villain, now none of this happened, and so are they going to have to fill in all the blanks that's happened since he was 17 or what? will characters like Venom now have to disappear? (Not saying Venom would because of this but it's an example) And how did Pete get over Gwen's death without MJ? Did Gwen ever die because MJ wasn't there? Hell even before he met her he was trying to get away from meeting her so even the stories before MJ was properly introduced are now void. The worst effect I'm seeing now is when I'm reading old comics I almost think, what's the point, none of this actually happened...
And something like this would even effect other Marvel character's because what if Spider-man wasn't there to help them out at one point, or what if he didn't visit them for a certain reason, Marvel really hasn't thought about any of this because erasing one person from a universe effects the whole bloody thing no matter how small.
All I can say is they better come up with some bloody good stories because of this or I will be really miffed. Probably won't drop the title because I will always be hopeful that everything will pick up again but still... on the plus side John Romita JR is drawing for Spider-man again this year!
Don't blame them, blame the pathetic new comics for coming up with this ghastly idea in the first place, it is the new comics that have ruined Spider-man and everything to do with him, also what was that little girl about, Peter already had a daughter who died, but survived in two other universes, (which means she does not exist either) well done marvel, you have completely ruined Spider-Man I hope you are very happy.
BTW: Venom would still exsist, but he would be Eddie again now.
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Don't blame them, blame the pathetic new comics for coming up with this ghastly idea in the first place, it is the new comics that have ruined Spider-man and everything to do with him, also what was that little girl about, Peter already had a daughter who died, but survived in two other universes, (which means she does not exist either) well done marvel, you have completely ruined Spider-Man I hope you are very happy.BTW: Venom would still exsist, but he would be Eddie again now.
I know he would, I said that, I was just using Venom as an example, but on that subject Spider-man should be wearing his black suit now, after all MJ made him get rid of it in the first place.
What do you mean blame the new comics for coming up with the idea, it was the writer who came up with this idea in the first place...or well Joe Q anyway. The comics hadn't ruined Spider-man just changed certain aspects in his life, which weren't terrible but they weren't great, but this is a fundamental change character, and if it doesn't change at all then they obviously haven't realised the repercussions of something like this.
Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
I say since 2001 Spider-Man has gone down hill, and he has yet to recover.And I guess it is the writer, the artist, the designer and the editors fault.
I wouldnt blame the artist, they are told what they are told to draw, unless they are bad artist but Spidey hasn't really had one in years. I think Spidey was great up untill around Ezkiel was around. After he died it started gong down hill, the stories weren't terrible (unlike now) but they weren't as good.
Originally posted by Citizen V
Because Joey Q feels that Peter's aged too much and that de-aging him (comic-wise) 48 years is a good idea and would make him more relateable.
So in turn their just going to be rehasing all the old stories again. How many changes has Spider-Man had recently? they could have took a breather at least.
how doe this work for spidey? does mephisto take spidey back in time before the other & avengers diassembled arc? has peter lost memeroy from civil wqar , so is he in another parallell universe what about the new avngers and stuff?
god this is confusing , so spidey is back to old powrs & what of teh last few years ... has spidey been de-aged ?