Originally posted by queeq
Wikipedia is NOT source material 😛 ....And now you two kids cut it out.
It is not the expected answer either.
If I ask you who is Jesus Christ and you hand me a bible, that is not an answer!
That might be the source where you compose your answer from.
But it is not sure as hell MY problem or job to find the answer from the material YOU might think it can be found from.
Originally posted by queeq
Apparently the facts are debatable.
Wrong.
A fact cannot be debated.
"A statement that is objectively true and can be verified."
Originally posted by Sessewhat you are saying is not FACT, it is OPINION.
It is not the expected answer either.If I ask you who is Jesus Christ and you hand me a bible, that is not an answer!
That might be the source where you compose your answer from.
But it is not sure as hell MY problem or job to find the answer from the material YOU might think it can be found from.
Wrong.
A fact cannot be debated."A statement that is objectively true and can be verified."
Yes.
Academic opinion.
In science there are ways things can and can not be presented. Those are the guidelines that allow anyone to present anything in a rational meaningful way.
Or are you perhaps claiming that the standards used by scientific study are somehow wrong?
Lets clarify a bit: Some thing is lectured as a fact. After attending the lecture, a student forms his opinion from the factual contents of the presentation.
In a course exam, students opinions are compared with the agreed existing facts. By passing the course, student has demonstrated that his knowledge and opinion are CLOSE ENOUGH to the facts to be called valid by themselves.
I refer to a FACT on screen."Because in the movie Padme said that she wanted to have her baby on Naboo, I can state as a fact that Padme wanted to have her baby on Naboo!" No room for argument.
All my opinions are derived from the facts shown on screen. If there are arguments from me that clearly state my own arguments as facts, I would very much want to see them.
"facts...pffft....watch the movies and pay attention, the facts are there."
Comments like these are easy to throw. By stating this, it is your task to handle out solid evidence and show a valid source for it.
No.
He won the duel. You admitted this yourself:
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-Why did Yoda enter the fight?
To kill Sidious, to bring an end to the Sith uprising.
-Why did Sidious fight against Yoda?
He was forced to, he didnt want to.
-In the end, did Sidious get what he wanted?
Yes and no. He survived, but so did Yoda.
-What about Yoda?
Nope.
I think Germany won the Kursk tank Battle in 1943
Germany lost 50,000 men. 300 tanks and 200 aircraft.
USSR horrible 180,000 men 1,600 tanks 1,000 aircraft.
The Wehrmacht wanted to crush the Soviet front. They failed.
The Soviets wanted to push the Wehrcmacht back from their current positions. They failed.
Germany inflicted alot more casualties than USSR.
With your logic, the Germany won the battle.
Yoda came in to kill Sidious. This is proved by the quote: "Destroy the Sith we must". A fact.
Sidious tried to escape Yoda after he was surprised by his arrival. Proof: "Master Yoda, You survived!" - Since there is no need to state the obvious, viewer can assume the line was meant to convey genuine surprisement.
Yoda was confident that he could destroy Sidious. Proof: "If so powerful you are, why leave?" Line delivered after his failed escaping attempt is most likely communicating Yodas doubt in Sidious' abilities.
They fight. Both fall. Yoda looks up and notices that his way APPEARS to be closed (We cannot be 100% sure that the central pod cannot be controlled from an external source). The way they got up there to begin with was aboard the central pod. Now the pod is up several dozen meters, and I sure as hell dont see ladders.
It is hard to determine whether Yoda could make a force jump that high, but without knowing the exact height and Yodas maximum jumping height, this argument cannot be presented.
Also the possible injuries caused by the fall cannot be used against him. We only see Yoda holding his side, but without a verbal confirmation, we must assume he was "OK".
Yodas killer line comes after he hops next to Bail : "Into exile I must go. FAILED have I."
Why was Sidious laughing while hanging from his own pod then? Hard to say. I cant state that as a proof, as he could be just laughing for his own evilness. Who knows?
Sidious kept his position of power despite Yodas attempt to kill him.
In this case, Yoda was apparently the attacker. He had a clear objective. He failed to accomplish it.
To win sidious just had to stay alive.
To simplify it any more would force me to draw a picture. Surely this doesn't have to get to it.
Too high level for you perhaps?
Logic and reasoning is a psychobabble?
Your opinion is as good as are your evidences. Without this "psychobabble" you aren't in position to claim anything.
Just tell me what points in my post are incorrect. Which ones of them are my opinions and not directly connected to the things seen onscreen.
If you cannot make any of my points invalid, my post must be valid.
Im sorry, but that is how proving works around here. Most colleges around world have similar methods.
Originally posted by Sessenah, not too high a level for me, it's just that you are comparing real life shit to a scene in a movie. It doesnt add up.
Too high level for you perhaps?
Logic and reasoning is a psychobabble?Your opinion is as good as are your evidences. Without this "psychobabble" you aren't in position to claim anything.
Just tell me what points in my post are incorrect. Which ones of them are my opinions and not directly connected to the things seen onscreen.
If you cannot make any of my points invalid, my post must be valid.
Im sorry, but that is how proving works around here. Most colleges around world have similar methods.
yoda or sidious winning the duel is a MATTER OF OPINION. there are no facts, no evidence, at least not in this duel.
If you were to tell me that vader beat luke in ep. 5 because he lopped off his hand, THATS a fact. luke being disarmed is the EVIDENCE.
Originally posted by Sesseyour only point is that Yoda fled, thats what you keep going back to. yoda fled, therefore he lost.
More excuses.Like I said: Point out a flaw of logic from my post regarding the fight-scene.
If you can't, I will consider my arguments true.
What IF there was a stormtrooper who was hiding in a senate pod?
He was about to get a clear shot at Yoda just before he fell.
(Notice Stromtrooper! it could have been a clonetrooper. Or even a Wookie!)
He could have sniper Yoda while he was battling with Sidious.
What IF that clone trooper happened to be force sensitive too?
What IF he had joined the duel?
This all belongs to EU. Not in I II III area.
Originally posted by Sesseever hear of the saying "you are making a mountain out of a molehill?"
What IF there was a stormtrooper who was hiding in a senate pod?
He was about to get a clear shot at Yoda just before he fell.
(Notice Stromtrooper! it could have been a clonetrooper. Or even a Wookie!)
He could have sniper Yoda while he was battling with Sidious.
What IF that clone trooper happened to be force sensitive too?What IF he had joined the duel?
This all belongs to EU. Not in I II III area.