Originally posted by h1a8you sure you want to use rhino as evidence? and again, CA beating thanos was pre-resurrection thanos, losing to mar-vell must be PIS since
Spiderman has bested Rhino. So is Spiderman around class 75?
CA has bested Hulk so is he class 100. You get my drift?
Originally posted by AllanklesOrion lacks the power and strength of blood and thunder Thor. Also,Thor was using his hammer and in this thread Orion only gets his fists. Thor's hammer hurts more than Orion's fists.
First of all not to make light of Thanos but what is his most impressive scrap? Because from what I've seen a lot of his writers haven't drawn up convincing fights. Take his fight with WM Thor for instance, he gets hit a few times, bleeds and the omniscient narrator suddenly fills in: "[he took everything and is still smiling, scary]".Basically not giving any credit to Thor's courage and willingness to fight. The writers basically cut the fight short before Thor had really tested Thanos' durability, before Thor had really let loose.
Regular Thor in character may have marveled at Thanos' toughness and stopped his assault and gotten smashed thereafter, WM Thor on the other hand was supposed to be relentless, he just suddenly stopped smashing on Thanos when he had his chance, Orion wouldn't stop in the same situation.
Orion is the "dog of war", if his emotions aren't restrained by the MB that aggression he inherited from Darkseid takes over, he'd never relent. He'd be a hell of a fight for Thanos considering he's never been in a fight with someone like Orion who when unrestrained is one of the most relentless fighters in comics.
A regular Thor would have gotten bitchslapped by Thanos. The only reason this Thor could stand up to him was due to the limitless backing of the power gem.
Orion and Thor are peers but with the power gem Thor is well above Orion in everything. Thanos decimates Orion here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion lacks the power and strength of blood and thunder Thor. Also,Thor was using his hammer and in this thread Orion only gets his fists. Thor's hammer hurts more than Orion's fists.A regular Thor would have gotten bitchslapped by Thanos. The only reason this Thor could stand up to him was due to the limitless backing of the power gem.
Orion and Thor are peers but with the power gem Thor is well above Orion in everything. Thanos decimates Orion here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion lacks the power and strength of blood and thunder Thor. Also,Thor was using his hammer and in this thread Orion only gets his fists. Thor's hammer hurts more than Orion's fists.A regular Thor would have gotten bitchslapped by Thanos. The only reason this Thor could stand up to him was due to the limitless backing of the power gem.
Orion and Thor are peers but with the power gem Thor is well above Orion in everything. Thanos decimates Orion here.
I think you missed my point. Thanos didn't do anything to make Thor stop pounding on him. The writers basically wrote Thor poorly. That fight was Thor pounding on Thanos and then stopping. Giving Thanos time to wipe blood from his nose and then proceed to attack Thor, Thor allowed him a respite and then got beat.
My argument is Orion would never give Thanos any time for respite, he'd be all over him, Thanos has never been in a fight like that. The only guy who fought Thanos without remorse of the top of my head is WOL Morg and Thanos was in bad condition in that fight. Too often, little credit is given to Thanos' opponents courage and willingness to fight by his writers.
Originally posted by AllanklesAgain your way off here.
I think you missed my point. Thanos didn't do anything to make Thor stop pounding on him. The writers basically wrote Thor poorly. That fight was Thor pounding on Thanos and then stopping. Giving Thanos time to wipe blood from his nose and then proceed to attack Thor, Thor allowed him a respite and then got beat.My argument is Orion would never give Thanos any time for respite, he'd be all over him, Thanos has never been in a fight like that. The only guy who fought Thanos without remorse of the top of my head is WOL Morg and Thanos was in bad condition in that fight. Too often, little credit is given to Thanos' opponents courage and willingness to fight by his writers.
The difference is Thor with the power gem was way too powerful to be compared to Orion,here. If you read the story youd know comparing Orion to blood and thunder Thor is lousy.
Thanos has never lost to a top tier on panel and Orion is no exception.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion lacks the power and strength of blood and thunder Thor. Also,Thor was using his hammer and in this thread Orion only gets his fists. Thor's hammer hurts more than Orion's fists.A regular Thor would have gotten bitchslapped by Thanos. The only reason this Thor could stand up to him was due to the limitless backing of the power gem.
Orion and Thor are peers but with the power gem Thor is well above Orion in everything. Thanos decimates Orion here.
What? Most D.C. top tiers are much greater in strength than most Marvel ones. Orion's strength is around Superman's
So
1E21tons>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1E8tons (the max Thor if assuming 100 power increase over regular 1,000,000 ton Thor, And I'm being generous). This is 1E13 times more
Orion what see his as an insect in the strength dept.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again your way off here.The difference is Thor with the power gem was way too powerful to be compared to Orion,here. If you read the story youd know comparing Orion to blood and thunder Thor is lousy.
Thanos has never lost to a top tier on panel and Orion is no exception.
Orion is over 1E13 times stronger than a WM Thor with PG.
Thor is a speck of dust to Orion (with regards to only strength).
You can't only use characters top strength feats.
Orion got owned by a block of lead.
Also, neither Thor nor Supes should be able to press 1,000,000 tons or even close to that. Mainly because it makes the characters boring and not interestign as their are no challenges for them.
Silver Age Supes was at that level but then they powered him down for that very reason.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again your way off here.The difference is Thor with the power gem was way too powerful to be compared to Orion,here. If you read the story youd know comparing Orion to blood and thunder Thor is lousy.
Thanos has never lost to a top tier on panel and Orion is no exception.
Yeah! Thor's fight against Thanos is not indicative of how a battle with Orion would go. Orion doesn't stop punishing his opponents when he takes the initiative in a fight. Mentioning that Thanos doesn't lose to top tiers is neither here nor there, that is not some unwritten law, never has never will be.
And unless you can point out to me an instance where Thanos fought an opponent with the stamina aggression and relentlessness of Orion, I don't see where you are making a point. WM Thor just stopped beating up on Thanos (that is a fact), Orion wouldn't stop he'd test Thanos' durability, you can bet on that.
My point is simply that in a face to face brawl, no esoteric powers like convenient energy shields and the like, Orion is taking a few victories.
Originally posted by h1a8Where are you getting this information? Superman fought Thor once and barely beat him. Power gem Thor>>>>regular Thor.
What? Most D.C. top tiers are much greater in strength than most Marvel ones. Orion's strength is around Superman'sSo
1E21tons>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1E8tons (the max Thor if assuming 100 power increase over regular 1,000,000 ton Thor, And I'm being generous). This is 1E13 times moreOrion what see his as an insect in the strength dept.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe point is Thanos took the beating from a much more powerful character than one such as Orion. Orion cant even beat Superman anymore. He stopped battling Superman in dong. He also momentarlu stopped battling Darkseid to tell Supes and the rest of the gang that this isnt his fight. Its simple, dialogue takes place in comics during fights.
Yeah! Thor's fight against Thanos is not indicative of how a battle with Orion would go. Orion doesn't stop punishing his opponents when he takes the initiative in a fight. Mentioning that Thanos doesn't lose to top tiers is neither here nor there, that is not some unwritten law, never has never will be.And unless you can point out to me an instance where Thanos fought an opponent with the stamina aggression and relentlessness of Orion, I don't see where you are making a point. WM Thor just stopped beating up on Thanos (that is a fact), Orion wouldn't stop he'd test Thanos' durability, you can bet on that.
My point is simply that in a face to face brawl, no esoteric powers like convenient energy shields and the like, Orion is taking a few victories.
Orion couldnt damage Thanos at all like power gem Thor. He lacks the power and the strength of power gem Thor. Hell,Odin didnt put him down and he could oneshot Orion. Thanos' durability is on a whole other level.
The reason top tiers dont beat him is because he is on a whole other level. The comics clearly,dont support your vision of Orion.
Originally posted by llagrokHow so? Sure,the hammer will cause him to get knocked back and what not,but Thor never even had him. Thor fought him once with the Thing and at Thanos' weakest. Then,Thor couldnt even defeat him amped with the power gem.
It's funny how regular Thor has visibly affected Thanos with his hammer like, twice.
If Thanos gets hit by the hammer sure it wont feel great,and will knock him back. But it wont beat him. Nope,and hasnt as of yet.
Orion's punches wouldnt feel great against the bridge of Thanos' nose. But his fists couldnt do enough damage to beat him is the point.
Originally posted by quanchi112Orion's punches wouldnt feel great against the bridge of Thanos' nose. But his fists couldnt do enough damage to beat him is the point.
Uninformed. Thanos can be damaged physically by a guy on Orion's level; there's no doubt that Orion has the strength to damage him. The WM Thor example is to demonstrate that Thor didn't really go all out, he just got in a few hits and the writers made him stop for no logical reason.
Thanos has yet to soak up the kind of physical punishment that Orion can dish out.
And Orion doesn't have anyone to talk to in this fight, it's just him and Thanos. If he takes the initiative Thanos would be in real trouble, because Orion doesn't stop for anything.