Originally posted by Priest
H2h would be against Warrior Maddness Thor with the Power Gem..Thor previously literally owned Beta Ray Bill, Dr. Strange, The Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, and the rest of the Infinity watch before fighting and stalemating Thanos h2h.
I've seen the Thor fight it wasn't all that. And the Beta Ray Bill fight, how intense was it? I've seen his fights with Surfer, those were not impressive at all. I'm asking if he's ever been in a real scrap, the closest of course was the PG Thor fight but that was prematurely ended by the writers for inexplicable reasons.
Originally posted by AllanklesNothing from that might demonstrates mastery or anything you've been spouting. How does jumping around, throwing a couple kicks and getting smacked about by Darkseid make him an "animal in h2h"?
His agility is up there, his MA is exceptional and he has top tier strength and blunt force durability. He's an animal in h2h. Did you expect him to pull some acrobatics? He is a close quarters master first and foremost not an acrobat, but his agility is impressive always has been.
Originally posted by ultimatethorEasy as pie.
This is a major stomp. Thanos can take shots from an amped thor( multiple times stronger than orion) using mjolnir and remain unphased. So what is orion going to do? LOL at all the nonsense of orions superior fighting speed and skill so thanos wont land a blow. Where are the instances of orion displaying such martial arts skill and speed to the point that thanos wont be able to hit him at all? As expected, they have NOT been provided most likely because these ideas are just figments of peoples imaginations.Thanos is stronger,and more durable. He take this easy
Originally posted by DesaadFaster? In terms of art? I'm not going to analyze who has more motion lines drawn for them.
I'm curious, but what specifically in terms of art evidences that Gamora is faster, or more skilled?
But Gamora manages much more staggering feats with far worse physical stats than Orion.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
All of that is actually Thanos's durability with the only thing questionable is the Omega instance.
Galactus smashed through his shields, and the shields held in the blast so that Thanos could be nuked. He essentially took all of Galactus's blast.He didn't use shields against Odin.
And Omega hit him, but Thanos attributed help from his shields.
Galactus smashed through his shields but that shows that alot of the energy of the blast was expended breaking his shields. As far as the Odin fight goes you're going to claim he wasn't using energy manip? Be honest.
Originally posted by Allankles
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Originally posted by AllanklesDid you read any of these comics? Just for starters when did Thanos use his shields against Odin?
This is fisticuffs no raising convenient shields, none of that esoteric stuff. He used shields in all those encounters, that doesn't speak for his durability. Durability is taking a mageddon war head straight into your body. Not putting up energy shields. I've asked you what was Thanos' most impressive scrap?
Originally posted by Allankles
I've seen the Thor fight it wasn't all that. And the Beta Ray Bill fight, how intense was it? I've seen his fights with Surfer, those were not impressive at all. I'm asking if he's ever been in a real scrap, the closest of course was the PG Thor fight but that was prematurely ended by the writers for inexplicable reasons.
Another impressive scap was when Thanos fought Thor, The Hulk, Hercules, and the Thing at once, and was owning them in h2h.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Nothing from that might demonstrates mastery or anything you've been spouting. How does jumping around, throwing a couple kicks and getting smacked about by Darkseid make him an "animal in h2h"?
How does it not demonstrate mastery of MA? Darkseid has MA skills too you are aware? I've shown you Orion using more h2h skills than Thanos or most of the big boys he's faced have used. It's up to you to show me something better or equivalent from Thanos.
Originally posted by PriestAnother impressive scap was when Thanos fought Thor, The Hulk, Hercules, and the Thing at once, and was owning them in h2h.
I've seen that old fight too, and it doesn't look all that impressive today. Thanos didn't show anything in that fight that would overwhelm Orion except that there were some impressive names attached to the feat. Again are we talking about the same thing here? You asked for Orion's MA skills, I've shown them, does that battle classify as an MA skills showing from Thanos to you?
Originally posted by AllanklesDoes it? Because Thanos was being nuked with energy while Galactus was saying that... at the very least it shows Thanos being more durable than all his shields.
Galactus smashed through his shields but that shows that alot of the energy of the blast was expended breaking his shields. As far as the Odin fight goes you're going to claim he wasn't using energy manip? Be honest.
I didn't see shields. Are you going to claim he was? What proof do you have?
Originally posted by Desaad
That entire fight was filled with speed lines and serious martial art type stuff. It's very reminscent of Manga type stuff (which was the inspiration, according to Walt Simonson). While that scan itself only shows two guys rushing each other at what appears to be super speed (based on the explosive result), reading the entire fight paints a more complete picture of what you're looking for.And it's EXACTLY what you're looking for, by the way, with much more evidence that they are moving incredibly fast than anything we've seen in Gamora's fights. Gamora who totally outmaneuvered Thanos.
Actually, it shows a comatose Orion (yes, thats right, comatose) killing 4 Dog Soldiers before they can register what is happening - indeed, before they can hope to put up any defense, and then running down the last one, who is on his dog mount, and defeat him too.
Definitive combat Super Speed since he was actually, you know, in combat. Against genetically engineered foes (even assuming that they have human level reflexes, it's quite obviously super speed).
This one is just the reaction to the scan above it. It's all one continuous scene.
That's Orion defeating the New God of martial arts in hand to hand combat (the woman who gave him part of his training, mother of Vykin the Black).
Thor, in general, shows very little in the way of actual warrior skill. He's tough, his strong, he's got one HELL of a will, but he's a brawler and surpassed by Balder in actual martial arts skill.
Champion, of course, is a terrible fighter and an idiot. He has been one shotted by Drax, and was in point of fact defeating Thanos until Thanos tricked him in a way that would not work against Orion.
Hardly very good examples.
Really if the entire fight was filled with such speedlines then someone shud post those scenes and not the absolutely irrelevant one. Orion flying at a guy in no way proves his case. What actually im looking for is Orion showing actual hand to hand super battle speed. Not him flying from afar to hit someone. 🙄
The next one shows orion flying and hitting some four guys in what looks to be a straight line. No hand to hand superspeed or skill of ANY KIND. It is completely irrelevant.
The one with him beating the New God of so and so is better but getting in three blows in what seemed like a normal manner( no great speed was indicated) in NO WAY PROVES the case that thanos will be unable to hit orion.
Also THAT is the precise reason I used Thor and Champion as examples. Both are described as great warriors but really dont have any of the feats to show that they are unhittable by thanos like characters. Orion is in the same vein and these examples have done little to disprove that.
Originally posted by darthgoober
As has already been pointed out, that's not Gamora's fighting style. What's more, the scans were asked for in response to comments regarding Thanos not being able to handle Gamora's DEFENSIVE skill and I didn't really see much in the way of impressive defensive maneuvers. The was a highspeed recovery after he got kicked, but him and DS both seemed to connect most of the time.
Orion is not going to be as defensive as Gamora, not when his blows can carry the fight. He did dodge a sweeping attack from Darkseid with a flip.
Originally posted by Allankles... Which would be why Darkseid got the first hits in, correct?
How does it not demonstrate mastery of MA? Darkseid has MA skills too you are aware? I've shown you Orion using more h2h skills than Thanos or most of the big boys he's faced have used. It's up to you to show me something better or equivalent from Thanos.
All that he did was land a few kicks and roll some times.
Give Jet Li super stats and he can pull off the same thing.
Gamora beat Terrax with ease in the middle of a cosmic battlefield.
She stalemated Ronan with just a sword and her dagger.
She was laughing off an army of aliens while a Thanos clone tried to take her down.
In many of those cases, had she gotten hit, she would have been downed.
Orion got hit right at the onset by a casual smack from Darkseid.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Also THAT is the precise reason I used Thor and Champion as examples. Both are described as great warriors but really dont have any of the feats to show that they are unhittable by thanos like characters. Orion is in the same vein and these examples have done little to disprove that.
The problem with using Champion and Thor is that Orion doesn't fight like Champion and Thor. If anything I think he's more intense than both and his skills do manifest in his fights.
Originally posted by Allankles
How does it not demonstrate mastery of MA? Darkseid has MA skills too you are aware? I've shown you Orion using more h2h skills than Thanos or most of the big boys he's faced have used. It's up to you to show me something better or equivalent from Thanos.
You see the thing is that while it can be accepted that Orion has superior speed and hand to hand skills than thanos, certainly NOT on the level that makes him unhittable and it is still up to u to prove that he does.
