Originally posted by Allankles
Orion is not going to be as defensive as Gamora, not when his blows can carry the fight. He did dodge a sweeping attack from Darkseid with a flip.
And where's the flip scan(I must be overlooking it)?
Originally posted by Allankles
The problem with using Champion and Thor is that Orion doesn't fight like Champion and Thor. If anything I think he's more intense than both and his skills do manifest in his fights.
Orion is not more intense than thor. And anyway my main point in comparing him to Champion and thor is that he while also descrined as an ultra warrior does NOT have the feats to show he cant be hit by characters like thanos.
Originally posted by Cavalier
... Which would be why Darkseid got the first hits in, correct?All that he did was land a few kicks and roll some times.
Give Jet Li super stats and he can pull off the same thing.
Gamora beat Terrax with ease in the middle of a cosmic battlefield.
She stalemated Ronan with just a sword and her dagger.
She was laughing off an army of aliens while a Thanos clone tried to take her down.In many of those cases, had she gotten hit, she would have been downed.
Orion got hit right at the onset by a casual smack from Darkseid.
Then we are arguing apples and oranges here. Gamora is a lithe, weaker, less durable character. It's a bit like the Batman syndrome. Furthermore both Darkseid and Orion are said to possess super speed, so Orion being intercepted by Darkseid shouldn't reflect badly on Orion. Furthermore Orion has impressive blunt force durability that keeps him a live fighter in situations a Gamora wouldn't. Lastly I did say he is more like Gamora in his style of MA than Champion which is to say his technique is quite superior to Champions.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Orion is not more intense than thor. And anyway my main point in comparing him to Champion and thor is that he while also descrined as an ultra warrior does NOT have the feats to show he cant be hit by characters like thanos.
Orion may well be more intense than Thor since his aggression overwhelms him completely making him berserk, it is a trait he inherited from Darkseid it even alters his appearance making him look more demonic like Darkseid and the other Apokoliptans, he keeps it in check with his motherbox.
Again I know what Champion and Thor are but they don't fight like Orion and that is evident to me. I should also mention that I never claimed Thanos wouldn't be able to land a punch, but Orion is quicker than the Titan.
Originally posted by Allankles
Orion may well be more intense than Thor since his aggression overwhelms him completely making him berserk, it is a trait he inherited from Darkseid it even alters his appearance making him look more demonic like Darkseid and the other Apokoliptans, he keeps it in check with his motherbox.Again I know what Champion and Thor are but they don't fight like Orion and that is evident to me. I should also mention that I never claimed Thanos wouldn't be able to land a punch, but Orion is quicker than the Titan.
Well thor does have warrior madness but all thats besides the point anyway. i think i must have mixed u up then because in turn i never claimed that thanos was faster than orion. However the difference is simply not enough to give orion the edge over a character stronger and much much more durable than him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If Orion's not going to be as defensive as Gamora, then why does Thanos not being able to tag her matter?And where's the flip scan(I must be overlooking it)?
It shows that Thanos is considerably slower than Orion who I have no doubt would tag Gamora, since he possess super speed that exceeds hers and has duked it out with people physically quicker than Gamora. However I never said Orion wouldn't get tagged he is ultra aggressive he most certainly will be tagged.
Originally posted by AllanklesSo, in conclusion, Gamora's better because she has to be. And Orion can afford to not be as good as her, so he isn't.
Then we are arguing apples and oranges here. Gamora is a lithe, weaker, less durable character. It's a bit like the Batman syndrome. Furthermore both Darkseid and Orion are said to possess super speed, so Orion being intercepted by Darkseid shouldn't reflect badly on Orion. Furthermore Orion has impressive blunt force durability that keeps him a live fighter in situations a Gamora wouldn't. Lastly I did say he is more like Gamora in his style of MA than Champion which is to say his technique is quite superior to Champions.
Gotcha.
Originally posted by AllanklesOrion will get tagged and when he does he does down quite easily and quickly.
It shows that Thanos is considerably slower than Orion who I have no doubt would tag Gamora, since he possess super speed that exceeds hers and has duked it out with people physically quicker than Gamora. However I never said Orion wouldn't get tagged he is ultra aggressive he most certainly will be tagged.
You havent shown me anything that would lead me to believe that Orion has one chance out of 100 here.
Originally posted by Cavalier
So, in conclusion, Gamora's better because she has to be. And Orion can afford to not be as good as her, so he isn't.Gotcha.
If you want to look at it like that is your prerogative. But until Orion gets hit by a Character several tiers below him in the speed department then you don't have much of a point, or it might be PIS.
DS is physically evenly matched as you can tell it was a battle of combat ability, getting hit in that situation is inevitable. If Gamora isn't getting hit it's because she's above the characters she's facing in speed and agility.
If Batman ducks and dodges attacks we assume the same thing and if he does the same against characters he has no business hanging with? It's PIS. I don't see any problem here. Thanos is simply well below Gamora in speed and agility.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion will get tagged and when he does he does down quite easily and quickly.You havent shown me anything that would lead me to believe that Orion has one chance out of 100 here.
You'd argue for Thanos in just about any situation, with you what difference does it make if this is Orion or PC Superman?
Originally posted by Allankles
It shows that Thanos is considerably slower than Orion who I have no doubt would tag Gamora, since he possess super speed that exceeds hers and has duked it out with people physically quicker than Gamora. However I never said Orion wouldn't get tagged he is ultra aggressive he most certainly will be tagged.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well if Thanos cant tag her in h2h battle then how will he tag Orion in a fistcuffs battle?
