Thanos vs Orion - Fisticuffs

Originally posted by Allankles
Aha, so bashing two characters head constitutes what exactly? Does it show a similar degree of MA skill as Darkseid and Orion demonstrated? Not at all. So in short I showed Orion's MA, he is not Hulk or Hercules of the early 90'S or whenever that story was printed.

Thanos dominates imo.

Originally posted by Desaad
Firstly, that wasn't Orion flying at Darkseid but running. Without his Astro Harness, he doesn't have the ability to fly. That was him RUNNING at Darkseid really fast (and vice versa, presumably).

Secondly, I believe scans of most of that fight WERE posted just a few posts below the one you responded to.

He was moving so fast that you couldn't SEE what he was doing. You have no evidence that all he did was bum rushed them - if that was all he did, than it would be the dogs that were damaged, rather than faces exploding and all that.

Given that he was unable to hit Gamora who also had no great speed lines indicated, I don't see why it wouldn't factor into that. Especially since Valkyra was essentially a Gamora analogue.

I disagree. His skill is regularly referred to in his battles with Kalibak. His battle with Darkseid was singularly impressive for any character, in terms of depiction, and the OBVIOUS intention is for those characters to be moving at super speed. No inference is necessary to see the skill of the moves therein. Its quaint for various posters to try to discredit it by saying "ZOMG flips" or "All he did was punch and kick", but of course these are the basic actions of any hand to hand combat battle, and such tactics are desperate at best.

Someone like Champion ONLY gets lip service. He's never had an impressive hand to hand showing in his ENTIRE history. He's been one shotted by dumb Drax (while he was powered up, no less!), defeated by the Silver Surfer, and defeated by She Hulk.

In point of fact, his battle against Thanos was his highest showing to date.

That said, I should mention that I'm not arguing that Orion is going to take this. Simply that if someone like Gamora can go as long as she did with him, someone like Orion - with significantly higher stats and about equal skills and speed - is going to do that much better.

He still gets defeated. Any top tier does.

😄 Now this is a post

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Doesnt matter what you show, it will all be considered just"random punching/kicking with speedlines". Anyhow from the early onset of this thread I have always remained with the opinion that Thanos will eventually win, however what I strongly disagreed with was the line of reasoning behind the victory.

Orion is a top tier in every respect, what really propels his character is his awesome MA skill. It is in my strong opinion that he will be able to press forward with a solid offense agaisnt Thanos whilst skillfully fending off attacks as well. I believe this will continue for a considerable duration, however due to Thanos incredible level of durability I can see him whistanding the attacks even if it means him being ragdolled.

Orions superior combat speed and MA level will allow him to avoid Thanos but at the sametime mounting and effective offense. Thanos will only be successful with his attacks after Orion has been worn down after expending most of his strength. At this point I can't see him effortlessly countering/avoiding Thanos anymore and it as this time Thanos will pick up the win.

your dead on right. i just wanted people to know that orion is one the most skilled martial arist in the universe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows ho whe compares to physical beasts. His durability is off the charts. We have never seen Thanos even critically wounded in a fair fight when matched against skill and strength.

Thanos dominates imo.

I think Desaad addressed your head bashing example adequately. It doesn't show any degree of MA skill or speed on the part of Thanos and thus is irrelevant to the argument I was supporting.

Furthermore I doubt he replicates the feat with the more recent version of Hulk, he could probably still do it to Hercules though.

My main point was simply that Orion would give Thanos hell and pull off some wins, possibly.

Originally posted by Allankles
I think Desaad addressed your head bashing example adequately. It doesn't show any degree of MA skill or speed on the part of Thanos and thus is irrelevant to the argument I was supporting.

Furthermore I doubt he replicates the feat with the more recent version of Hulk, he could probably still do it to Hercules though.

My main point was simply that Orion would give Thanos hell and pull off some wins, possibly.

Nah,Orion lacks the power to be able to put Thanos down. he has taken Odin's shit for a comic and was still on his feet. Odin>>>>>Orion. Thanos stomps Orion all day imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he?

Nah,Orion lacks the power to be able to put Thanos down. he has taken Odin's shit for a comic and was still on his feet. Odin>>>>>Orion. Thanos stomps Orion all day imo.

The Odin fight wasn't fisticuffs and he was channeling energy through his body to counter Odin's energetic attacks. Theres a difference between blunt force durability and resistance to magic and energetic attacks.

Originally posted by Allankles
The Odin fight wasn't fisticuffs and he was channeling energy through his body to counter Odin's [B]energetic attacks. Theres a difference between blunt force durability and resistance to magic and energetic attacks. [/B]

This is just baseless speculation. He was never stated or implied as doing any such thing. Where did u get this idea from?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
This is just baseless speculation. He was never stated or implied as doing any such thing. Where did u get this idea from?

Could you post those scans again? Are you telling me Thanos wasn't using energy manip to counter Odin's energies in that fight? That he was merely tanking Odin's blasts? Very much unlike Thanos if that's the case, it was fairly ambiguous fight to me anyway, given the variances in effect of Odin's attacks and because they were repetitious.

Originally posted by Allankles
Could you post those scans again? Are you telling me Thanos wasn't using energy manip to counter Odin's energies in that fight? That he was merely tanking Odin's blasts? Very much unlike Thanos if that's the case, it was fairly ambiguous fight to me anyway, given the variances in effect of Odin's attacks and because they were repetitious.

IT was never stated or implied in the artistic depiction that thanos was used energy manip to take odin attacks so i dont know how u came to that conclusion. Ill try to post scans later cuz im tired.

Why is it so hard to realize that Orion doesnt have the goods to take down Thanos even once? 18 pages of stupidity.

Thanos wins everytime. Lets just get over it and move on.

Originally posted by Allankles
The Odin fight wasn't fisticuffs and he was channeling energy through his body to counter Odin's [B]energetic attacks. Theres a difference between blunt force durability and resistance to magic and energetic attacks. [/B]

He was taking Odin's blasts head on and charging right through it.

Thanos pwn him. 11/10

thanos might win but he not going to take down orion that easy

Originally posted by tkitna
Why is it so hard to realize that Orion doesnt have the goods to take down Thanos even once? 18 pages of stupidity.

Thanos wins everytime. Lets just get over it and move on.

QFT and had me laughing out loud. Durability and strength is just too much for Orion in the end.

Originally posted by beast1234
thanos might win but he not going to take down orion that easy

Originally posted by beast1234
thanos might win but he not going to take down orion that easy

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Doesnt matter what you show, it will all be considered just"random punching/kicking with speedlines". Anyhow from the early onset of this thread I have always remained with the opinion that Thanos will eventually win, however what I strongly disagreed with was the line of reasoning behind the victory.

Orion is a top tier in every respect, what really propels his character is his awesome MA skill. It is in my strong opinion that he will be able to press forward with a solid offense agaisnt Thanos whilst skillfully fending off attacks as well. I believe this will continue for a considerable duration, however due to Thanos incredible level of durability I can see him whistanding the attacks even if it means him being ragdolled.

Orions superior combat speed and MA level will allow him to avoid Thanos but at the sametime mounting and effective offense. Thanos will only be successful with his attacks after Orion has been worn down after expending most of his strength. At this point I can't see him effortlessly countering/avoiding Thanos anymore and it as this time Thanos will pick up the win.

thanos wins but not easily orion is physically up there with supes.

thanos wins. orion would get in some shots and would likely earn the titan's respect due to his speed (which is very often overlooked) and his martial prowess (also often overlooked) but in h2h combat there is no way he can do enough damage to take thanos out, imo.

i love orion, but thanos 10/10

is not going to be easy for thanos to take down orion