Champion vs Superman

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
By tackling him?

At any rate you think superman could throw all those guys off like that.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Thing.

I dont think thing broke his ribs. edit- yes he did but if you think that Thing can punch harder than Thor hammer.....

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Good. So can Darkseid. It helps little when you're getting your face smashed in.

Well he tried it on Thor why wouldnt it work on Superman. He could have teleported his hammer away but he didnt.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He still dodged it, and he still tried to hit Sassy.

Yeah and that was still AFTER he rceieved training. What so because he didnt dodge Sass he didnt easily beat Mantis.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He caught her hand... she tried to punch him. 😐

Yes and shes one of the best MAs in the marvel universe, he had to be good to do that.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

A full nelson isn't hard to give, and hold... especially when you're a lot stronger than your opponent.

He still used speed and Mantis has been able to use her strength against much stronger opponents like Thor anyway.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

By disqualifying Thor; by BFR'ing Hulk; by beating up Sassy, Colossus, and Thing.

No he didnt disqualify Thor the judge did, yes he did BFR Hulk but thats because he thought he had no class. You you really think that if he can beat the others that easily wfatr training he would have lost. Hell he one shoted Sas. Furthermore it alsoi showed he could easily have teleported Thor hammer away despite the enchantment.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Also, it's still a one time feat anyway.

No but the ease in which he beat the others still indicates he could have done it again.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

This is pointless anyway. Champion has no feats to beat Superman, and what you're naming is rather pointless to say the least...

If your going to ignore evidence and make up excuses then it is.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Actually, it works both ways. How does Champion get beaten by She-Hulk in H2H and then beat Mantis in 2 seconds flat?

How does it work both ways. Mantis is one of the best Mas in the universe he then gets beaten by somebody who gets trained by somebody with comparable skill...so in other words there is no way She Hulmk could have been anywhere near Mantis's skill level and therefore had no business beating Champion. Cap beat Shang Chi in H2H and then loses to Batroc...dont make sense

Originally posted by Merlyn
mmmkkk... i'll disregard it, because it doesn't suit your argument. 🙂

newho.... supes ftw... seriously. 🙂

Its got nothing to do with bias. Cap beats up Shand Chi then loses to a street thug that received a little MA training, does that make sense to you?

sups

Superman wins this easily IMO.

Originally posted by G-Mafia
Superman wins this easily IMO.

No he does not.

Originally posted by Alfheim
At any rate you think superman could throw all those guys off like that.

It's still pointless. 🙂

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think thing broke his ribs.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well he tried it on Thor why wouldnt it work on Superman. He could have teleported his hammer away but he didnt.

Plus, he hasn't BFR'ed since like... the 80's?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and that was still AFTER he rceieved training. What so because he didnt dodge Sass he didnt easily beat Mantis.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes and shes one of the best MAs in the marvel universe, he had to be good to do that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He still used speed and Mantis has been able to use her strength against much stronger opponents like Thor anyway.

And Thor gave her a full nelson?

Originally posted by Alfheim
No he didnt disqualify Thor the judge did, yes he did BFR Hulk but thats because he thought he had no class. You you really think that if he can beat the others that easily wfatr training he would have lost. Hell he one shoted Sas. Furthermore it alsoi showed he could easily have teleported Thor hammer away despite the enchantment.

Scared of Huc?

When did three shots get turned into one shot? Although, that's one more shot than it took Surfer to beat Champion with. 🙂

Good.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No but the ease in which he beat the others still indicates he could have done it again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
If your going to ignore evidence and make up excuses then it is

Also, you can't even bring up any of Champion's low showings with you around, because you automatically write it off as pis... so who's really ignoring evidence, and making up excuses?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Anyway...
I like how you said earlier that Mantis has outran a bullet... how fast do you think Superman is exactly?

Originally posted by Alfheim
No he does not.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No he does not.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I already answered.

It's still pointless. 🙂

Yeah and im telling you that its still consist with the rest of the fight. Champion showed that power in the other fighst because he beat them easily and wasnt trying.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

OK. 🙂
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6740/marveltwoinoneannual073qv5.jpg

What so the Thing punches harder than Thor hammer now? Even the hthread creator stated it as PIS.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Thor hit him once... I wonder how many blows Supes is gunna give him.

So he was still be attacked and he still used his power, thats just an assumption that he cant use it

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Plus, he hasn't BFR'ed since like... the 80's?

Oh right so its non-canon then is it? No its not and is therefore allowed.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

What sort of training is going to make him as fast as Superman?

Anyway...
I like how you said earlier that Mantis has outran a bullet... how fast do you think Superman is exactly?

and Mantis tripped up one of the fastest beings in the universe...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He didn't look like he used any speed... he looks like he caught he hand after it hit him.

Thats just the way its drawn sometimes characters move fast but the way the artist illustrates it, it doesnt look fast. Obvoulsy if Mantis si fighting a deadly opponent shes not going to move slow is whe?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

And Thor gave her a full nelson?

Thor tried to physcally restrain her

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

And in the end, Champ didn't beat Thor.

Thats because he got disqualified but Thor was still losing you really think Thor would have won that fight? Thor was losing and Champion even wanted to give him his hammer but the judges didnt allow it.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Scared of Huc?

Why would he be scared of Hulk when earlier on he threw Hulk off and about 6 other heroes?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

When did three shots get turned into one shot? Although, that's one more shot than it took Surfer to beat Champion with. 🙂

My bad but you can clearly see from the dialogue that Champ wasnt trying he said that Sas was boring him.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

That he might be able to throw a bunch of people off of him? Perhaps... it's still a one time feat.

Theres no perhaps about it. Superman would have enough trouble fighting Thor if those guys tried to tackle him he would be stomped. Even if that feat is just one its still consistent with what happened next. Champion was toying with the others and was not even trying. Thor got disqualified and was losing anyway, Champion even wanted to fight him with his hammer, he was also toying with Sasquatch as well hell he said sas was boring him, you can see that if he wanted to end it earlier he could have.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

What evidence did you bring up that is going to make him beat Superman?

See above.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Also, you can't even bring up any of Champion's low showings with you around, because you automatically write it off as pis... so who's really ignoring evidence?

No you dont get it. If Cap beat Shang chi and then get beaten by a street thug what would you think. Thats why She-Hulk beating him is PIS because hes beaten opponents far more dangerous. Thing breaking his ribs is PIS because Thing does not punch harder than Thors hammer. Thats the whole point of PIS.

Originally posted by G-Mafia
I said in MY opinion. You can't dictate MY opinion. That said, Champion is boo-boo under Supes heel in MY opinion.

Stop the backchat and just agree with me....just kidding. Anyway its good to try and prove it rather than just stating it.

Drax gave Champion that one hitter-quitter once upon a time too you know.

Originally posted by G-Mafia
Drax gave Champion that one hitter-quitter once upon a time too you know.

When? Champion jobs. What so Drax hist harder than Thor hammer and is more powerful than Thor, Hulk, Namor, Wonder Man, Doc Samosn, and Thing?

Originally posted by Alfheim
When? Champion jobs. What so Drax hist harder than Thor hammer and is more powerful than Thor, Hulk, Namor, Wonder Man, Doc Samosn, and Thing?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and im telling you that its still consist with the rest of the fight. Champion showed that power in the other fighst because he beat them easily and wasnt trying.

Plus, throwing people off you=beating? Eh?

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so the Thing punches harder than Thor hammer now? Even the hthread creator stated it as PIS.

Also, you're the thread creator, and it hardly makes you right.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So he was still be attacked and he still used his power, thats just an assumption that he cant use it

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh right so its non-canon then is it? No its not and is therefore allowed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
and Mantis tripped up one of the fastest beings in the universe...

Runner must have also been going pretty damn fast, since Mantis had enough time to say 18 words before the trip...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats just the way its drawn sometimes characters move fast but the way the artist illustrates it, it doesnt look fast. Obvoulsy if Mantis si fighting a deadly opponent shes not going to move slow is whe?

She knows he's a deadly opponent?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thor tried to physcally restrain her

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats because he got disqualified but Thor was still losing you really think Thor would have won that fight? Thor was losing and Champion even wanted to give him his hammer but the judges didnt allow it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Why would he be scared of Hulk when earlier on he threw Hulk off and about 6 other heroes?

Even if, it was a joke.

Originally posted by Alfheim
My bad but you can clearly see from the dialogue that Champ wasnt trying he said that Sas was boring him.

He also couldn't hit Thanos... and Thanos was toying with him... and weaker than he is now. 🙂

Originally posted by Alfheim
Theres no perhaps about it. Superman would have enough trouble fighting Thor if those guys tried to tackle him he would be stomped. Even if that feat is just one its still consistent with what happened next. Champion was toying with the others and was not even trying. Thor got disqualified and was losing anyway, Champion even wanted to fight him with his hammer, he was also toying with Sasquatch as well hell he said sas was boring him, you can see that if he wanted to end it earlier he could have.

If Thor was fighting smart, he would have probably crushed Champ... judging by him hurting Champ with a tiny thrust of course. 🙂

Champion wanted to fight Thor with his hammer? What's this then?
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9648/marveltwoinoneannual072ky3.jpg

Sassy was beginning to bore Champ? Wow! That must put him at liek galacTus level!!1

Originally posted by Alfheim
See above.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No you dont get it. If Cap beat Shang chi and then get beaten by a street thug what would you think. Thats why She-Hulk beating him is PIS because hes beaten opponents far more dangerous. Thing breaking his ribs is PIS because Thing does not punch harder than Thors hammer. Thats the whole point of PIS.

Anyway... back to your 'point'... Champion got beat by She-Hulk, got ruffed up by Thing, seemingly had to think of a way out of Thor's fight, got two shotted by Surfer, gets one-shotted by Drax with the PG, embarrassed by Thanos (who actually is toying with him), etc.
When it happens quite often, and starts to override the good feats in numbers, then it stops being pis, and starts being delusion. 🙂

However, I find it cute you had to bring up Captain America out of nowhere. 🙂

So who's winning ? 🙂

Originally posted by Faceman
So who's winning ? 🙂

He should have made it Runner instead of Champ.

Originally posted by Faceman
So who's winning ? 🙂

Originally posted by JasonK4
Bran. 🙂

He's not just winning, he's stomping.

IMO Champion has never been written to his full potential and as a result comes of incredibly weak. Considering his origins and the amount of power he has in him, I personally feel that Champ should be able to 10/10 top tiers like Surfer,Thor, Sentry, gladiator and even supes(current) with relative ease. At the very least, he should be writen as a being who is peer with a FP Tyrant....but unfortunatly the reality is that he is one of marvels biggest jobbers. As it stands right now based on feats and the overal display of power...supes takes this easily.

Ok , but no one jump in, let them go at it a bit more....